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10/25/2005 10:59:02 PM

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"Well good for you. I'm sure plenty of C6 Z06 owners will have the pleasure of beating your ass should you take it to a track."

probably because A) they are better drivers and B) their car is faster

but you know what I and all most of the c6 Z06 owners have in common? we both love the car we drive and there will always be someone faster.

and the best part is an STI IS a z06 when comparing it to a RSX type S.

[Edited on October 25, 2005 at 11:20 PM. Reason : fda]

10/25/2005 11:19:38 PM

Well at that point I was just fucking around. You and H8R don't like corvettes, I understand that. Wait, yeah I was still talkin shit. Haha, go buy the slow 911.

[Edited on October 25, 2005 at 11:25 PM. Reason : haha]

10/25/2005 11:24:26 PM

the new GT is the only american car that i could possibly think about adding it to my dream car list. Its a bad ass car but i hold a grudge.

10/25/2005 11:26:53 PM

Whats going on in here?

10/25/2005 11:31:42 PM

Quote :

"fuck a vette"

10/25/2005 11:31:46 PM

I can't do a corvette either. The image is a big no-go, but it's not the only one. There's also extra big gulp size, build quality and especially the interior. I fail to see why they don't raise the price of the car by $500 and cover a few more things in leather and/or real alumium. Make things just a tad more substential (in feel at least).

I do have to agree the z06 is a great performing car, and it's a performance bargain. I also think that we are being a bit elitist, afterall that car by any other name (a lotus perhaps?) would allow us to excuse it's short comings in build quality. But alas, it is a Chevy.

I should point out, that there's a number of cars that would handily beat a 1g skidpad # on tires of the dimensions that are on the C6 z06.
Ahmet

10/26/2005 12:12:09 AM

Quote :

"I also think that we are being a bit elitist, afterall that car by any other name (a lotus perhaps?) would allow us to excuse it's short comings in build quality. But alas, it is a Chevy. "

its not elitist. Its the fact that its a chevy that makes it have short comings.

10/26/2005 12:22:24 AM

i owned a new porsche for a while.

a 2005 white 911 carrera S

it was fantastic.

non turbo, very fun to drive.

solid.

nav and radio were decent.

i'd get one in a heartbeat.

probably in black.

10/26/2005 1:16:15 AM

TURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBOO

10/26/2005 1:20:01 AM

god.. gargs is worse than jbaz

10/26/2005 1:28:44 AM

I drive a pink car.

10/26/2005 1:29:36 AM

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""i just want a viper so that is what i would go with but the z06 is the best value"

ditto.

or a used Saleen S7 or one of those rare Shelby cars made in like 1999

10/26/2005 1:48:24 AM

i used S7 with 500,000miles would still cost more than 100k haha


hey seotaji, just curious, you said you owned one for a while and it was a 05? how longs a while and what happened to it? cause 05's are only a year old at most.

10/26/2005 1:57:03 AM

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"its not elitist. Its the fact that its a chevy that makes it have short comings."

lambo,lotus and others are known for shitty build quality too though its just that those names are associated with passion so we ignore that part of the deal.

fuck the first 3 vipers car and driver did a top speed test on caught on fire.

but he does bring up a good point... imagine if you put that much ruber on a miata?
you would have a limitless car. and i'm sure you couldn't get it to free up the rear end in a turn.

i still find it funny that gocarts pull 3g turns all the time but 1 is exciting in a car.


ohh and a ruf cr2 would be a good choice in my book those things rock + you can always upgrade the turbos.

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 3:30 AM. Reason : .]

10/26/2005 3:28:54 AM

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"Fuck some of these guys, the Z06 is unlike almost every other piece of machinery the General has ever made. I'm a GM guy, but I know that my Z28 has some shitty build quality on the interior. But I would never compare my mass-produced streetcar to this masterpiece in motion. Handbuilt motor that makes 505 hp AND gets 26 mpg on the highway. Aluminum frame that makes the bitch lighter than a fucking Ferrrari F430 by almost 70 pounds. It'll hold its own or rape cars that run 2 or 3 times as much as it. Bang for the buck, its IMPOSSIBLE to beat the Z06. Sure you are gonna see quite a few more of these on the road, but thats because its such a value. I wish I could afford one myself, but I figure I have a much better chance of buying a motor/tranny/axle/frame from a Z06 and building the first Camaro Z06."

Thanks for defending something that no one is attacking. No one is questioning the Z06's performance

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"There's also extra big gulp size"

If you're referring to vehicle size I don't get it. The Z06 is lighter than every car listed by Queti.

10/26/2005 8:52:27 AM

I'm referring to the size, yes, not weight. Z06 could be lighter (2700ish is a good weight IMO), but in the current trend of 3400+lbs "sports" cars, it's actually quite the featherweight. One of the things I don't like about it, and would subjectively include in "size" is the feel of the size of the car. Cabin layout forexample, rear visibility, and to a lesser degree even things like how large the doors are, where the shifter is located and how it's weighted, etcetera- make the car feel, as I put it earlier, big gulp sized. Most of the cars talked about in this particular discussion I really don't care for, with the noted exception of the 911 which I think would make a great only car, but falls short as a toy.
Ahmet

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 9:07 AM. Reason : formatting]

10/26/2005 9:06:39 AM

911 turbo hands down!!

10/26/2005 10:04:55 AM

^^ Have you driven the C6 Z06 or something?

I'm just wondering because you're commenting on the actual feel of the car.

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:10 AM. Reason : ^ Would be badass, yeah. I like the GT3 a little more though for some reason.]

10/26/2005 11:08:54 AM

wow thanks for all the comments... a friend of mine has a 911 carrera. i think like a 2002 or something. it isn't a turbo i know. no clue if it is a carrera s or not. my biggest beef with it is the ride... roads down here are not friendly to low riding sports cars. my other friend's corvette seems to ride much easier. i would assume a z06 would ride similarly. i think this weekend, we are going to have a little fun and go to the porsche dealor.

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"Queti is NOT going to buy a kit car, so quit telling her what you'd do, ack."

how do you know??? haha nevermind... i'm definitely not paying that much money to still have to have it put together. not my style at all.

not liking the nissan on pg 2 either... too street race looking.

10/26/2005 11:38:03 AM

the kit cars are built w/o engine and transmission you can have those installed for a shop and still have a prettier faster car for less money

10/26/2005 12:11:01 PM

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"too street race looking"

lol


some garage people are gonna be pissed

10/26/2005 12:12:39 PM

the skyline GTR is more for hobbyists anyway

I dont know first hand, but corvettes/z06's look like some of the lowest-riding cars on the road haha. even compared to all the lowered tuner cars

10/26/2005 12:21:38 PM

Factory 5 cobra replica ......

10/26/2005 2:40:03 PM

Quote :

"lambo,lotus and others are known for shitty build quality too though its just that those names are associated with passion so we ignore that part of the deal. "

i wasn't saying anything about those cars either. Yes they are gorgeous cars but it is also known that if you aren't wealthy enough to buy 10, don't bother buying 1 because of maintence. along with ferrari.

however, Steve Saleen's S7 is something i'd say has excellent workmanship in it.

10/26/2005 3:22:01 PM

I have not driven a c6 z06. I have driven quite a few C5s, and have fooled around with a non z06 c6. The C6 is an improvement in size, obviously, as well as in subjective feel, but it still doesn't feel intimate or "tidy".
Ahmet

10/26/2005 5:20:54 PM

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"I fail to see why they don't raise the price of the car by $500 and cover a few more things in leather and/or real alumium."

exactly, the whole damn interior is plastic and in a lot of cases fits pretty shitty when you really start getting picky, the leather is shit for quality, the fuel gauge almost never work right unless you add techron all the time (problem on the c5's that they did not fix on the c6) and hmm, yeah, i think thats about all i can complain about. driverain wise theyre good cars, handling wise theyre good stock but obviously not the best.

edit: not to mention the column lock problems that GM has still not sent out an effective recall for and the creaky as hell suspension once they get any real mileage on them

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 6:00 PM. Reason : edit]

10/26/2005 5:58:28 PM

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"You never know how the owner of a used sports car treated it during the first, fragile 5000 miles"

hahaha, most tuners I know might put a few heat cycles on a brand new motor at most before throwing it on the dyno..its more like if it was treated like shit the first 5000 miles it was treated even shittier the rest of its life.

10/26/2005 6:17:36 PM

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"I have driven quite a few C5s, and have fooled around with a non z06 c6."

What does fooled around with mean?

Btw, I was under the impression that the C6 Z06 is pretty different from the regular C6. More than the difference between the C5 and the C5 Z06.

Quote :

"To save weight, the Z06 frame is a welded amalgam of aluminum tubes, extrusions and castings. The front fenders and floor boards are reinforced with carbon fiber, to trim a few more pounds. Magnesium — which is one-third lighter than aluminum — is also used here and there."

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"The total body structure weighs only 278 lbs., 136 lbs. less than the Corvette coupe. The structure is hydroformed to provide exceptional strength and dimensional accuracy. Torsional bending frequency exceeds 20 Hz, providing a highly rigid vehicle foundation."

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"Corvette Z06 employs monoblock six-piston front calipers and four-piston rear calipers. Each piston utilizes its own pad. The opposing pistons operate in pairs, applying brake pressure equally to each side of the rotor."

Quote :

"Like its C6.R sibling, the Corvette Z06 is equipped with a dry-sump oil distribution system, which maintains the oil reservoir outside the engine as opposed to inside the crankcase."

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 6:30 PM. Reason : I still think it's straight, maybe it will have a shitty fuel gauge though. Haha.]

10/26/2005 6:25:43 PM

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"Btw, I was under the impression that the C6 Z06 is pretty different from the regular C6. More than the difference between the C5 and the C5 Z06."

def. true... difference in C5 and C5 Z06 is pretty much a minor cam and head change, a slightly stronger clutch, different suspension and all were fixed roof...not that big of a deal IMO. I guess they set out to make a real difference between the C6 and C6 Z06

10/26/2005 6:28:04 PM

What does fooled around mean? It means you're making it real hard for me not to make jokes about it ...

Feeling the controls, driving, etc. but not flogging it, as I have done with many C5s. I don't think I need to drive a z06 version to tell you that it feels big. The visibility/seating position, etc. are not different. I am not saying it's a bad car by any stretch of the imagination. They're both outstanding in my honest opinion (C5 and C6, z06 and otherwise). They're the ONLY american cars I truly like. I came close to owning one, and might some day still. It just saddens me that they didn't do just a tiny bit more to have a truly world class sports car at a very good price point.
Ahmet

10/26/2005 6:54:53 PM

actually

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 9:40 PM. Reason : nm, lol.]

10/26/2005 9:35:57 PM

yeah the new zo6 is a completely different chassis

10/26/2005 9:55:39 PM

I felt it necessary to post this pic I took at the NYC car show.
A premie can link it full size, if you want.

10/26/2005 10:29:53 PM

i think these go for a little under 100k.

10/26/2005 11:12:38 PM

^ you forgot a zero

10/26/2005 11:19:31 PM

as the starting bid

10/26/2005 11:25:41 PM

(reserve not met)

10/26/2005 11:29:45 PM

if it is a second car
http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/04/frames.htm


[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 9:03 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2005 9:02:13 AM

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"hey seotaji, just curious, you said you owned one for a while and it was a 05? how longs a while and what happened to it? cause 05's are only a year old at most."

i owned it for about 6 months.

i sold it.

i drove that bastard all day everyday. you almost have to make excuses to go driving. the suspension is fine on NC roads/highways. i just didn't like that porsches don't have remote open fuel doors. wtf is up with that?

10/27/2005 11:26:01 AM

get a 71 454 Corvette

they just don't make them like they used to

10/27/2005 11:38:01 AM

what? ugly, poor reliability, and bad handling?

GM's had that market cornered for decades...

10/27/2005 11:56:57 AM

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" i just didn't like that porsches don't have remote open fuel doors. wtf is up with that? "

OMG

10/27/2005 12:07:50 PM

duuuuuuuude, if that was the only problem, id open the fuel door for ya

10/27/2005 1:01:35 PM

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"i just didn't like that porsches don't have remote open fuel doors. wtf is up with that?"

wow, just wow...

how spoiled (or rich) does one have to be to complain about that AND TO SELL A HOT CAR BECAUSE OF THAT?

i will bet my life that even bill gates (or any other mega-rich person) wouldn't complain about that, let alone sell one of his hot cars because of that.

I would love to own a Maybach one day and then post this on a Maybach-owners' forum:

Yeah I owned a Maybach for 5 days.

I sold it and got a Phantom.

That bitch was good. I was spending so much time inside it on the reclining chairs that my wife thought I was having an affair. And then the rainy season started. The damn car doesn't come with umbrellas inside the doors!!! Any one know WTF is up with that???

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Anyway, to the poster of this thread:

Do you want a car that places more emphasis on performance as opposed to luxury/amenities, or vice versa?

Because each will give you a separate list of cars.

Off the top of my head:

Performance:

Corvette
Viper
NSX
Porsche (luxurious also)
Elise/Exige

Luxury:

MB AMG models (SL, CLK, SLK)
Maserati

[Edited on October 29, 2005 at 10:45 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2005 10:41:44 PM

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"MB AMG models (SL, CLK, SLK)"

don't get one of these... it instantly says that even though you have a shit ton of money you still can't think for yourself... to put it this way... i was on glenwood tonight and saw 3 sl500 amgs
and 1 911 turbo... be that last guy not the 1st 3 have the different but cool car.

10/30/2005 1:52:36 AM

I wish i worked for companies that fuck over their consumers to get 75% profits in a quarter....yeah, it's exxon and not shell, but is there truly a difference?

[Edited on October 30, 2005 at 3:40 AM. Reason : .]

10/30/2005 3:39:59 AM

One under, performance-wise, the 911. But a great car.
Porsche Cayman

10/30/2005 8:47:52 AM

^ some magazines are claiming it is porsche's best performing model.

10/30/2005 8:55:10 AM

there is a 02 911T in the auto trader here in charleston. 30k miles, new clutch, 6spd awd for 75k. thats very resonable asking price. if you are serious about looking for a car this is a car that would hard to pass up. it says it has many upgrades. like rims, tires, clutch etc....

10/30/2005 9:27:34 AM