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"buliding up would be a very very very very very bad idea in raleigh until they build Mass Transit systems. like rail, subway, buses. The area will be too densly populated for the highway system we got. Even with 50 lanes on each side."

That's a chicken/egg debate. Mass transit won't be feasible until the population density is there to support it. Incrreasing population density makes transportation extremely difficult until mass transit is available.

Ultimately, the density has to be there first to finance the mass transit. The government pay for everything.

10/27/2005 8:52:20 AM

Yeah you can't have mass transit without density. They aren't going to pay for thousands of buses to drive to every little subdivision from Holly Springs to Wake Forest. There needs to be more urbanization in Raleigh before mass transit will be feasible. Right now the area is pretty much a giant suburb.


I still think this is a bad idea. Glenwood Ave is not the place to put a building like this. Stick it over on the Dix campus instead so it's at least close to downtown. That area already has enough roadway to handle the traffic. Glenwood has become Capital Blvd #2 and this building won't help matters.

10/27/2005 10:10:20 AM

THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT IS THAT ITS 3 MILES FROM WADE AVE AND THE FUCKING RBC CENTER AND LESS THAN 10 FROM RDU YOU DUMBSHITS.

CANT YOU SEE THIS IS THE FIRST FUCKING STEP TO MAKING RALEIGH-DURHAM A REALITY.

10/27/2005 10:55:39 AM

^yeah exactly

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 11:02 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2005 10:59:40 AM

^^^I honestly don't think it's going to have a huge traffic impact.

-There was already an active hotel there just a few years ago
-The condos will take up an entire floor, so there won't be more than a dozen or so at the most
-I don't know how much will be allocated for office space and ultimately how many commuting workers that will translate to, but it will be far less than what the new office buildings just to the south of crabtree mall will bring.

Either way, i'd wager that the increase in traffic would be less than if, say, a wal-mart was put there (assuming there wasn't already one 3 miles up the road)

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 11:00 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/27/2005 10:59:48 AM

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"why do super tall buildings have that spike on top? just to make them taller or does it help with balance / airplanes or something?"

dirigible moorings

10/27/2005 11:02:05 AM

^hahahahaha

10/27/2005 11:06:18 AM

I think we need to hash out sonia's observation:

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"We need more tall buildings or Spiderman will never be able to operate here. "

10/27/2005 11:18:49 AM

Why would we want Durham to be part of Raleigh??

10/27/2005 11:42:32 AM

^^^why are you laughing? Both the Chrysler and Empire State Buildings have dirigible moorings.

And as far as that pick, something's not right b/c the base of the Sears Tower isn't 1/3rd of the width of downtown Raleigh (that picture makes it look like its taking up around 40 sq blocks)

10/27/2005 2:17:41 PM

have you actually seen the sears tower?

or downtown raleigh for that matter?

downtown raleigh could fit in the gaslamp quarter of san diego, it's tiny

10/27/2005 2:24:37 PM

oh and i only mentioned san diego to see if sober would stalk my post

10/27/2005 2:26:50 PM

ron fucking burgundy over here

10/27/2005 2:28:45 PM

^^City blocks are city blocks....but no I have not seen the Sears Tower, never been to Chicago.

Does it seriously take up like 40 blocks?!

10/27/2005 2:33:18 PM

no but chicago city blocks and raleigh city blocks do not equate

10/27/2005 2:35:05 PM

while true.....its still a stretch. I need to find some website with the specs of this building, I'm curious now

10/27/2005 2:35:59 PM

haha i am too

GOOGLE POWER

10/27/2005 2:36:42 PM

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" Sitting on two city blocks and rising one quarter mile (1,454 feet) above the ground, the Tower's 110 stories comprise some 4.5 million gross square feet of office and commercial space"

well it takes up two entire chicago city blocks

the bb&t building doesnt even take up one entire raleigh block

i dunno, it may be off scale but it's not that innacurate

the sears tower dwarfs the bb&t building

10/27/2005 2:59:05 PM

of COURSE that picture is accurate... you don't remember the day when they moved the sears tower down here for the day to make the comparison?

10/27/2005 3:02:27 PM

^tell that to the idiot "teacher" Lewizzle then

10/27/2005 3:06:19 PM

10/27/2005 4:06:02 PM

smallest violen in the world..

10/27/2005 8:18:31 PM

when i play sim city i put all the mass transit and everything in place before anybody lives there.

10/27/2005 8:21:46 PM

what the fuck is a violen?

10/27/2005 8:24:52 PM

10/27/2005 11:35:13 PM

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"tell that to the idiot "teacher" Lewizzle then"

10/28/2005 8:57:23 AM

Looks to me like the Sears Tower is about 2-3 times as wide as the BB&T building and about 2-3 times as deep. Not too far out of scale.

10/28/2005 9:22:16 AM

yeah, it's a dumb argument, if it's not exact, it's pretty close.

I've been to the sears tower, and it's a fucking behemoth.

10/28/2005 9:24:14 AM

Agreed, it's huge. Big cities like Chicago and New York are an entirely different situation than here. Two Hanover could have been the tallest building in Chicago in 1930 or so...

10/28/2005 9:40:03 AM

the crabtree building is supposed to have not just condos, but penthouse type condos... most of them being of this type. I think bob on the showgram quoted 47,000 sqft.... but i think he meant to say 4,700 sq.ft. still though, easily 1mil a piece.

10/28/2005 9:51:25 AM

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"I've been to the sears tower, and it's a fucking behemoth."

Yes it is massive. The thing is, there are so many other huge buildings in downtown Chicago that it doesn't look that tall. If you were to stick it in downtown Raleigh I really think it would look just like in the photoshop pic.

10/28/2005 10:01:50 AM

Yeah i was look at a list of the world's tallest buildings. I never realized that Chicago Has like 5 buildings over 1000 ft tall!

10/28/2005 10:08:45 AM

I like the pic with the Eiffel tower

that thing must be HUGE! It's like twice as tall as the tallest building in Raleigh!

10/28/2005 10:14:15 AM

THEY SHOULD REBUILD THE TWIN TOWERS IN RALEIGH

10/28/2005 10:16:00 AM

If you're interested in tall buildings, you should check out http://www.emporis.com/en. It's a pretty comprehensive listing of tall buildings in just about every city, with heights and pictures for most of them . Cool stuff. Also, there is an NC triangle discussion forum at http://www.urbanplanet.org that deals mostly with development and urban issues in the area. Pretty interesting as well.

They don't have a chit chat section, mind you.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 10:35 AM. Reason : fixed link]

10/28/2005 10:34:22 AM

^^^^ Yeah that's what I'm saying, it doesn't look that big because there are other huge buildings around it that kind of throw off the perspective in pictures. The John Hancock building is another one that is massive.

Here's a pic I took driving into Chicago a couple years ago. You can kind of see how big the Sears Tower is compared to the smaller buildings around it (which are probably similar to what Raleigh has in downtown now).

10/28/2005 11:24:49 AM

Yep. Notice the building to the right of the Sears Tower, the brownish one being made to look tiny? That sucker is almost 1000 feet tall itself. (and that's not perspective, the buildings are at most 500 feet away from each other...)

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 11:48 AM. Reason : d]

10/28/2005 11:47:27 AM

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"my ex-boss is building the mid-rise for the convention center...its supposed to be "the" hotel in raleigh, like "6" stars, top of the line...he's using his pet chef for the food...rooftop bar/pool is a possibility THE LAFAYETTE it will be called"

You worked for Greg Hatem? Hook me up with a job!

And another thing, I don't think this project will impact traffic the way most think. I'm not sure if this has been said yet, but I don't feel like reading through it...the Westin that is going in the hotel is 250 rooms, which is like 100 rooms less than what was there (Sheraton/Clarion). Also, there are only going to be 40 condos in the building, most taking up an entire floor. So even with the condos, there will be less capacity in this building than in the old Shearaton.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:09 PM. Reason : ]

10/28/2005 2:04:38 PM

dont forget, with the bottom few floor sbeing parking, this will be a similar setup the the Progres Energy building 2 downtown. That place looks huge for a 19 floor building, but the first floor is jsut lobby and mess, and 2-7 are all parking deck. a vertical stack building actualy helps traffic, becouse you have a alrge number of peole in one spot, with no spread out parking. Thus they all exit into traffic at one point, ect. Many places in RTP have a dozen exits onto the road counting visitor entrances, and ty up traffic for a long time due to folks trying to turn left inot the place, turning left out of it, ect. Parking deck under building or underground parking is a good way to reduce overall footprint of a building, plus be able to control the stream of traffic in and out. You have a single stream of cars exiting, not 500 pepole in one lot trying to go out every entrance at once. That tends to block traffic due to the SUDDEN LARGE influx of cars.

10/28/2005 2:24:34 PM

just hope it doesn't look like that piece of ass in durham

10/28/2005 2:37:27 PM

^^2-7 are not parking deck in the main stack. The parking garage does go up to the 7th floor, but its out to the side over most of the retail. The main portion of PE is offices, floors 1-19

10/28/2005 3:07:12 PM

asdf

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 5:01 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/28/2005 5:00:40 PM

^^

I put the elevators in on Progress Energy phase 2, as stated above.
It is a 19 floor building. It is attatched to the 7 story parking deck next door. Both the parking deck next door, and the parking deck UNDER and BESIDE the main building are 7 stories. Both have a single, dedicated, 7 stop public elevator for the parking deck.
The 'main stack' is represented by a high ceiling lobby on the ground floor, served by 2 elevators that serve the parking deck (on floors 3-6), and a bank of 6 traffic dispatch* controled cars for floors 8-19 as well as the ground/lobby floor.
There is NO! office/retail space on floors 2-7.
The main elevator bank CANNOT acess any of the parking deck floors.
The main stack Parking deck elevators cannot, due to the hight of the lobby level, acess the parking on level 2. They also cannot run up to level 7 due to the machine rome being on floor 8 for that bank.
If you want me to dig up the blueprints from the elevators, and or go take some pictures to prove my point i will.


*The cars have no floor buttons, and you puncyh in a floor on a keypad in the hallway. You dont hit jsut an up or down button, you punch in a floor, it tells you on the built in screen which of the 6 cars to get on to go to that floor. Confusing at first, but it means 30 second or less wait time for an elevator 90% or more of the time.

10/28/2005 5:04:55 PM

the reason the raleigh sears tower is wrong is because it is behind the city in that picture which would make it even larger than it apears. if it was in the front it would still be a little big but would be almost right. its way off



[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 6:19 PM. Reason : anything can be done with photoshop to mislead]

10/28/2005 6:13:55 PM

its not way off ok.

raleigh has tiny shit stains for buildings. get used to it

10/28/2005 6:20:14 PM

32 story reynolds tower on hillsborough street with 15 story reynolds tower 2 nextdoor
As of May, 2005, the developer was proposing office space for a major tenant, a boutique hotel (65 rooms), 20-40 luxurious condominiums and a parking deck for 750 vehicles.
- The revised plan is estimated to cost between $80 and $90 million.
- If built, it will become downtown Raleigh's tallest building.

pictures of new mariott downtown 17 thats been talked about in this thread




15 story quorum center under construction on jones and harrington



this was planned but never bui


those along with alot of these10-15 sotry condo bulidings that are popping up downtown is bringing raleigh up

10/28/2005 6:49:38 PM

sears tower is a nice setup. Westinghouse put in the DC control gearless tractions there when it was built, and schindler still has the overall service contract. once you get much above 10-15 stories you start doing express banks, wich sears tower has lots of. I wish raleigh owuld build a HUGE number of skyscrapers, I love wokring on tall buildings, and I HATE sorawl and subburbs, it destroys the areas i ocould otherwise hunt in, and casues huge amounts of extra light polution.

10/29/2005 3:06:19 PM

I get a strong urge to send that sears tower vs. downtown raleigh picture as a post card.

10/29/2005 4:49:08 PM

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"charlotte still has the best skyline "

in the world

its breathtaking

no

10/29/2005 5:59:51 PM

it has like one tall building and the hearst building

10/30/2005 10:46:43 AM