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stone throws downfield

davis throws swing passes

ill go with stone

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 7:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2005 7:46:31 PM

Courtney Fells played QB in high school for 2 years. Let him play.

11/1/2005 8:29:11 PM

he threw one downfield pass on saturday and he was 0-1 with one interception

and why does it matter if he plays this year...hes not going to start nxt year..not if brent schaffer(sp?) maybe coming and if he comes stone is giong to move down to 3rd string behind justin burke and brent. So who cares who starts at QB as long as we get more W's.

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 8:53 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2005 8:50:17 PM

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"^please stop talking about those 2 plays. Charlie beat them to death last week and that was his only argument on why Stone sucks."

I've given a shitload of reasons why Stone sucks

11/1/2005 8:57:14 PM

Stone might start next year. Hell, Jay Davis was terrible down the stretch last year, but that didn't stop Amato from handing him the starting gig before spring training this year.

11/1/2005 9:02:51 PM

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"Face it: the Jay that played in the VT game is not the Jay Davis that played against Clemson and Wake. He's lost way too much confidence."

This is the number one reason Jay has not performed. So much pressure has been put on him not only replacing Rivers, but satisfying fans.

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"Courtney Fells played QB in high school for 2 years. Let him play."

Haha, I said that about 2 weeks ago and nobody caught it. Started his freshman and soph. years then quit to play bball. He would be awful good to run the option at 6-5 and blazing fast. Better than what we got for sure.

11/1/2005 9:08:10 PM

amato handed him the reigns b/c stone sucks worse than davis. He's not going to just give it to someone b/c he feels like it. Hes going to give it to him b/c hes better in practice and knows the offense better.

11/1/2005 9:14:59 PM

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"So much pressure has been put on him not only replacing Rivers, but satisfying fans."

the pressure has been there even before the first game of last season

the fan's have created the situation we are currently in, in my opinion

for some reason a great majority of people wanted Stone to play even before Richmond

when Jay doesn't show to be just like Rivers, the fans scream for Stone because they want Rivers...they already know Jay isn't Rivers, but for some reason they whole-heartedly hope and assume that Stone is Rivers and that Stone should be put in

Among many things, I believe fan support is directly related to Jay's performance

The fans never gave him a chance to play well

11/1/2005 9:20:53 PM

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"I've given a shitload of reasons why Stone sucks"

and we've heard all 3 of them, now STFU.


^^^yeah, I thought about saying it right before you posted it...didn't know who said it though. He had a few good no look passes in the red-white game on saturday...maybe we're onto something here.



^you believe fans make Davis suck now? wow.

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 9:26 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2005 9:23:28 PM

Burke might suck worse than Stone. Or he might not come here at all.

Shaeffer is a pipe dream at this point.

The fact is that Stone could easily be the starter next year. All your wistful thinking won't change that, so you might as well get used to it and let the wigger get some experience this year.

11/1/2005 9:25:02 PM

Herb should make it his personal mission not to let Fells anywhere near C-F, before anyone gets any ideas.

11/1/2005 9:26:34 PM

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"you believe fans make Davis suck now?"

not now

i've been saying this since last season

11/1/2005 9:29:42 PM

we could run the option if chuck wanted to... greco runs what, a 4.37 40?

but ya stone is our man at this point, I hope he can get his shit together.

11/1/2005 9:30:14 PM

^^Do you remember Brock Berlin from Miami? He had the same situation the year after miami lost the NC to OSU. When you follow a great QB, the fans will be on you no matter what. And what did he do? He was arguably the best QB in the league last year.


Funny thing is, he might be dumber than Stone. Jay had his chance, let it go. The fans have nothing to do with how a QB performs.

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 9:42 PM. Reason : sophmore = senior]

11/1/2005 9:34:57 PM

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"when Jay doesn't show to be just like Rivers, the fans scream for Stone because they want Rivers...they already know Jay isn't Rivers, but for some reason they whole-heartedly hope and assume that Stone is Rivers and that Stone should be put in"

1) nobody in their right minds expected Davis to match river's performance

2) nobody in their right minds expected Stone to match river's performance

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" I believe fan support is directly related to Jay's performance"

3) Jay Davis is not a quarterback. Its that simple. He has no field presence, no confidence, and no gumption to stay in the pocket and throw a pass. Instead he runs away like a girl and doesn't even bother looking downfield cause he's scared if getting hit.

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 9:51 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2005 9:50:01 PM

^ your #3 is the best. I have never seen a quarterback as shitty as marcus stone when it comes to knowing when to release the ball...he'd rather tuck it and run for 2 yds and then try to run over the linebacker. He'll be dead by his senior season if he keeps that shit up. Marcus Stone couldnt throw a football and hit the side of a UPS truck if he tried

11/1/2005 10:12:07 PM

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"Marcus Stone couldnt throw a football and hit the side of a UPS truck if he tried"

I disupte this

11/1/2005 10:34:07 PM

stone makes mistakes like most every other qb.
i'm glad he's got the balls to try to get a couple yards when he doesn't have an open receiver.
if i had a line that blocks like our's i'd run a lot too.
i'm not praising stone like he's all great, but the guy can throw. i seem to remember a TD pass to Clark this past saturday, i guess you weren't there rice

11/1/2005 10:43:58 PM

I like how Stone didn't crawl into a hole after a shitty first half.

11/1/2005 11:05:27 PM

look

if i can't say Stone sucks after 1 whole game

you can't say he's good after 1 game

11/1/2005 11:09:26 PM

I like how stone hasn't sucked the ass for the last 1.5 years of wolfpack football

11/1/2005 11:13:35 PM

^^So you're willing to stop this bullshit and not analyze him untill he's played 2 or 3 more games?


[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 11:14 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2005 11:13:39 PM

no i'll keep continuing this shit

it'll just be more and more credible as the season ends

and it'll be documented

11/1/2005 11:15:43 PM

well way to go out on a limb and pick a good quarterback to trash.

11/1/2005 11:19:42 PM

ok...im not going to talk any more shit until after the BC game.

11/1/2005 11:20:43 PM

good quarterback?!


bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahah

i dont' even go so far to say Davis is a good qb

i just say he's decent and better than Stone

11/1/2005 11:21:59 PM

We have no QB.

Or Coach.

Fuck

11/1/2005 11:22:58 PM

Hell, I'll probably be talking shit about him after the BC game, but I will still think he should still be the starter.

^^sarcasm

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 11:24 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2005 11:23:28 PM

they are both pretty bad, pick your posion

11/2/2005 12:02:43 AM

think i'll wait till stone gets at least one or two more games in as starter.

11/2/2005 2:43:57 AM

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"the pressure has been there even before the first game of last season"

Yeah, that happens.

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"the fan's have created the situation we are currently in, in my opinion"

I guess fans should not have expectations now? Well I guess all the fans can't have expectations anymore. Problem solved.

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"for some reason a great majority of people wanted Stone to play even before Richmond"

I don't know much about a great majority. We did go 5-6 last year.

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"when Jay doesn't show to be just like Rivers, the fans scream for Stone because they want Rivers...they already know Jay isn't Rivers, but for some reason they whole-heartedly hope and assume that Stone is Rivers and that Stone should be put in"

Fans want wins. Period. Jay doesn't perform. Remember the ?Clemson? game late last season where he threw 5 INTs? Fans see he doesn't perform, they want to see someone else. Anyone else. When Stone doesn't perform you will see the same. Fans, who want to see their team win, will want to see someone other than Stone get a look when it becomes obvious that he is not the solution for the team.

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"Among many things, I believe fan support is directly related to Jay's performance"

How about fan performance a result of Jay's support. That I'd buy.

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"The fans never gave him a chance to play well"

Like you are not giving Stone. Jay had 1.5 years BTW.

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"if i can't say Stone sucks after 1 whole game you can't say he's good after 1 game"

And there we have it. Yet you do.

Look now we know that the whole reason you abandon logic and common sense is because you want to be the first on the block to say "told ya so" when everyone starts to want to get rid of Stone due to a lack in performance. News flash. Everyone expects this. No one likes Stone because he has proven himself, it is just that people don't like Davis because he has proven himself. If you don't like Stone then by all means help Amato out and go to Florida to scout for some recruits because we need somebody, anybody other than Davis.

Troll fed.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 7:46 AM. Reason : m]

11/3/2005 7:45:13 AM

You never found that link for me. Liar.

11/3/2005 11:15:43 AM

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"Pack's trust in Stone repaid, but barely Pack quarterback Marcus Stone struggles much of the day, but he finds Brian Clark when it counts in the fourth quarter. Staff Photo by Ethan Hyman By NED BARNETT, Staff Writer RALEIGH -- Marcus Stone walked out for his postgame interview wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with N.C. State's theme of the season: "Trust." In his first start Saturday, Stone tested the trust of his teammates and coaches, but in the end he rewarded it with a go-ahead touchdown pass in the fourth quarter and a badly needed 21-17 win over Southern Miss. State turned to the broad-shouldered, 6-foot-4 Stone for a spark and nearly got electrocuted. His first completed pass ended in a fumble. His next was was an interception. Then he threw another. By halftime, the redshirt sophomore was 1-for-7 with two interceptions and a meager 15 yards passing. That's when trust became more than a slogan. Coach Chuck Amato resisted turning back to former starter Jay Davis and told Stone to relax and let his body take over the job. A body did, but it wasn't Stone's. It was freshman Andre Brown, who almost caught Ted Brown's single-game rushing record at State by running like Jim Brown. "Great players took over," Stone said of the second half. "I gave [Brown] the ball, and he made things happen. The offensive line made huge holes to run through. It made it easy for me, and I calmed down." Eddie Willingham, Southern Miss' redshirt freshman defensive back, also made it easy. On third-and-goal with State trailing 17-14 and 5:13 left in the game, Stone dropped back on the biggest play of his life and saw Willingham slip and fall down. Stone tossed the ball to a wide-open Brian Clark in the corner of the end zone. "I just dropped back, and when I looked over my shoulder, I saw the cornerback fall. Right then, I knew where I was going, and Brian just made a great catch." Stone added, "It was like playing catch in the back yard." Back yard was an apt image for two reasons. The Pack finally cashed in on a homefield advantage, picking up its first win over a Division I-A opponent since a win over Wake Forest on Oct 2, 2004. The game also had backyard flavor when State was on defense. It looked like a neighborhood match between the big kids and the little kids. State's real big kid -- 6-foot-7, 290-pound Mario Williams -- swarmed into Southern Miss' backfield at will. The rest of the defensive line wasn't far behind. "They were blocking well," he said, being as generous after the game as he was menacing during it. "But we were told to just dominate the line of scrimmage and take over the game." That they did. The first game of the Stone era ended with trust rewarded, but still required. Stone pulled out a win largely because the defensive line was too strong and USM couldn't wrap up Brown. It was good for a win, but it leaves open the question about whether State has fixed what has made its offense sputter. The Golden Eagles clearly were not at a level of competition State typically faces. Brown will not run wild against Florida State next week, or Boston College or Maryland. And better teams will figure out how to offset State's hard defensive rush, as State saw in losing four of its first five ACC games. State also got help when USM pushed to State's 7-yard line in the fourth quarter only to have a touchdown reception dropped. The Eagles squandered their last chance when redshirt junior Jasper Faulk fumbled a punt and State recovered with 2:32 to go. After the penalties and turnovers of this season, State no doubt felt entitled to a change in luck. They got it with a change in quarterback -- and running back. The way the Pack stood behind Stone impressed one player who thought his team had State beaten. "One thing I can say is they never gave up, even though we were up 14 to zero." said senior defensive back John Eubanks, who intercepted Stone at the end of the first quarter. "[State] is a good team. Their record in misleading." When the Pack's new leader who wears trust on his chest turned to leave after his interviews, he revealed a smaller message on the back of his shirt. It read: "Finish." The next few weeks will make clear whether Stone can live up to that motto, too. "

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/story/2828160p-9277975c.html

11/3/2005 3:07:00 PM

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"I guess fans should not have expectations now? Well I guess all the fans can't have expectations anymore. Problem solved. "

having expectations isn't the problem

having ridiculously high expectations and setting yourself up for hard falls is the problem

and when you fall hard, you fall into denial and totally blame other people instead of distributing the blame

being the figure head and leader of the team, everyone blames Jay more than they blame everyone else, even though Jay's contributions of the team are dependent upon the performance of the team around him

rally around Stone all you want, but he'll be terrible on Saturday

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""The fans never gave him a chance to play well" Like you are not giving Stone. Jay had 1.5 years BTW. "

That's b/c Stone shouldn't have been given the chance this season. It's Davis' place to be the quarterback of the team. Stone is not better and therefore shouldn't have replaced him. The only reason Stone is starting is to create a better perception of the team, not to actually aid the team.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 3:48 PM. Reason : sdf]

11/3/2005 3:43:19 PM

no, the reason stone is starting is because he will actually be here next year

11/3/2005 4:16:36 PM

what happens when receivers look towards the endzone before catching the ball?

11/3/2005 4:18:25 PM

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"The fans never gave him a chance to play well "

sweet mother of god, I cannot believe I just read that

11/3/2005 4:25:45 PM

haha, the best part is

we're all where we were last year making the same arguments

11/3/2005 4:39:32 PM

except last year, Jay Davis was not a proven loser...its time to change you stupid ass sucking faggot.

11/3/2005 4:46:00 PM

same as he ever was

11/3/2005 5:44:10 PM

Good luck on Saturday Marcus....

damn I hope he has a good game, could not be routing for the kid any more!

11/3/2005 7:22:09 PM

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"being the figure head and leader of the team, everyone blames Jay more than they blame everyone else, even though Jay's contributions of the team are dependent upon the performance of the team around him"

Yeah, QBing is a tough job. Criticism comes with it.

I seriously doubt Stone will do anything against FSU. I seriously doubt it. But if he should I'll be sure to rush back here to read some funny CharlieEFH posts.

11/3/2005 8:53:10 PM

Herbstreit was just talking about how Brian Brohm (whatever his name is) gained valuable experience last year by playing in games. He said it wasn't necessary for Louisville to play him because it could have hurt them, but the benefits for the future are obvious.


So yeah lets put Jay Davis back in.

11/3/2005 9:12:00 PM

You're assuming Stone will be the starter next season


that's a mighty big assumption


and not a good enough reason for me


if Stone were better than Davis, then I wouldn't be so adamant


but i'll just say this, if Stone helps to keep the FSU game close, if he actually positively contributes (ie does more than handing the ball off), and we win or lose by less than 10 points, then i'll go easier on him

if he completely screws up and we lose by at least 17 and he contributes negatively (ie turnovers from him that result in points by FSU) then i guess i'll still be entertained by the mockery this team has become

11/3/2005 11:05:36 PM

My friend willie is in the shower naked

11/3/2005 11:08:42 PM

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"the mockery this team has become"

Seeing it that way is the only thing that's keeping me sane.

What sucked about the Wake game is that we got that brief false hope again midway.

If you're not going to win, just go ahead and lose spectacularly.

11/3/2005 11:10:27 PM

I just grinned and chuckled with every incompletion in the first half of the USM game while the crowd around me was pissed off

Maybe if i was an alumni and was actually more directly paying to attend a game I'd be more pissed off about the way things are going

but as a student, it's just easier to accept that we suck and laugh at our dumb mistakes since its basically free entertainment

11/3/2005 11:18:31 PM

Dude, stop, seriously. Its also a mighty big assumption that Burke will be the starter next year. I mean fuck, he hasn't even signed yet...I wouldn't be surprised if he backed out.

If Stone doesn't play this year, its the same mother fucking thing we had when Rivers left...a QB with no game experience. That sure fucking worked out great, didn't it?

I still dont understand the hard on you have for Jay Davis. I realize that both of them suck. I realize that Stone is not the man for the job. But if we are going to lose, which we will, why do you want Stone on the bench, when he is by far the most likely person to start for us next year? You can say "he wont be the starter" until your face turns blue, but thats HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING. Explain to me what we can gain this year by starting Jay Davis. Explain to me why you want us to have an inexperienced QB playing next year. Explain to me why you have to be such a dick about this. Its not that hard to understand...Davis had his chance, MOVE ON.

11/3/2005 11:19:16 PM

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"I just grinned and chuckled with every incompletion"

So you want marcus to fail?

11/3/2005 11:19:20 PM

i don't want our team to fail

i've just accepted that i'd rather not watch Stone play

so if he fails I'm not surprised and it's just funny

whereas everyone around me was like "Dammit Stone don't be like Davis...Be better than Davis! "

there's no point in repeatedly getting angry and frustrated at a football game

11/3/2005 11:23:25 PM