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"they cannot. they only way for israel to take out iran would be with nukes. they wont do that."

Not saying it will happen, but I certainly wouldn't put it past Israel to pull another stunt like the raid on the Iraqi reactor in the early 80s against the Iranian nuclear facilities.

[Edited on July 15, 2006 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

7/15/2006 4:11:30 PM

if they succeed they can have hezballawalladingdong take credit for the attack

7/15/2006 4:40:19 PM

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"untrue. "

yea...it is true...

7/15/2006 6:01:59 PM

I hope everyone realizes this will just increase terrorism.

7/15/2006 7:34:06 PM

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"I hope everyone realizes this will just increase terrorism."

I kinda disagree. Lebanon rather legitimizes Hezbollah by having them as a minority party in the government. They hold about 18% of the seats in government.

As a general rule, terrorists should never be allowed to both subvert the political process with violence, and then participate in it. That's the ultimate version of having your cake and eating it too.

The government should outlaw the party and hold new elections. The majority needs to show that it's serious about stopping terrorism and normalizing relations with Israel, otherwise they can just expect relations to be very ... non-normal. Which happens to include the occasional heavy bombing campaign.

I really can't imagine, anyway, that many Americans think a government should have a minority al Qaeda party and allow them to run affairs in a legitimate institutional setting. So it is with Israel and Hezbollah.

7/15/2006 8:04:06 PM

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"I hope everyone realizes this will just increase terrorism."

If only that were so

7/15/2006 8:08:23 PM

Hezbollah isn't a terrorist organization the same way that al Queda is. Hezbollah has a civilian wing that does a lot of things in Lebanon.

That being said, Lebanon should force them to disarm.

[Edited on July 15, 2006 at 8:22 PM. Reason : .]

7/15/2006 8:09:12 PM

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"Not saying it will happen, but I certainly wouldn't put it past Israel to pull another stunt like the raid on the Iraqi reactor in the early 80s against the Iranian nuclear facilities."

not possible.

that reactor site was well known and not very well defended. iran is thought to have several underground fortified enrichment sites. if WE know for sure of all such locations, they would bombed by US.

[Edited on July 15, 2006 at 8:42 PM. Reason : asfdasdf]

7/15/2006 8:41:10 PM

why do you not want to admit that Israel is so completely dominant militarily in that region that they could...if they wanted to....completely wipe the place out? ... if for no other reason than they have nukes...im not saying that they will use them...im just saying that they could completely deal with any threat to thier security from the region

and on what do you base your statements that they could not take ANYone over there out??

7/15/2006 8:48:10 PM

they could not take iran out without nukes. hell, iranian president said yesturday something to the effact of "they couldnt even think to cause major harm to us" i forgot the exact words but he said they couldnt fuck with iran.

i know they couldnt easily take out iran and syria witout nukes or help from the us.

7/15/2006 8:54:08 PM

oh..so the iranian president said that??...excellent...dont you think he would say that?? would iran protect themselves with that great army that they have??....or would they just drop one of thier nukes on israel and be done with it??

iran and thier idiot president is all talk....israel would clean house with both iran and syria

7/15/2006 8:57:47 PM

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" I kinda disagree. Lebanon rather legitimizes Hezbollah by having them as a minority party in the government. They hold about 18% of the seats in government. As a general rule, terrorists should never be allowed to both subvert the political process with violence, and then participate in it. That's the ultimate version of having your cake and eating it too. The government should outlaw the party and hold new elections. The majority needs to show that it's serious about stopping terrorism and normalizing relations with Israel, otherwise they can just expect relations to be very ... non-normal. Which happens to include the occasional heavy bombing campaign. I really can't imagine, anyway, that many Americans think a government should have a minority al Qaeda party and allow them to run affairs in a legitimate institutional setting. So it is with Israel and Hezbollah."

Increased terrorism will not come from political standpoints. But when Israel bombs a house by mistake and kills someones wife and kids, that will cause terrorism. Fighting against the US/Israel for anyone is like a guy using a BB Gun with no BBs to shoot down an F-14 Tomcat. So terrorists use tactics like 9/11. But if you dont think Israel bombing innocent peoples homes by "mistake" will cause an increase in terrorism you are wildly mistaken.

7/15/2006 10:42:16 PM

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"why do you not want to admit that Israel is so completely dominant militarily in that region that they could...if they wanted to....completely wipe the place out? ... if for no other reason than they have nukes...im not saying that they will use them...im just saying that they could completely deal with any threat to thier security from the region and on what do you base your statements that they could not take ANYone over there out??"

you make no sense

7/15/2006 11:03:33 PM

i just have too much common sense for you....

7/16/2006 1:03:13 AM

another way of saying you only think in simple ways?

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 1:48 AM. Reason : 234]

7/16/2006 1:47:27 AM

another way of saying i just see whats obvious

7/16/2006 1:50:06 AM

incapable of seeing subtely?

7/16/2006 2:01:21 AM

I think it is going down like this. READ

1. We all know that Bush is not popular in the US now.
2. We all know that with about 6 months till election time, he will most likely lose the senate and house.
3. If he loses them, he will basically have zero power and most likely our troops from Iraq will be home in the spring of 2007. We will also not see any new wars against Iran, Syria or support Israel in fighting along side of them.
4. Israel now is trying to attack everyone to get America's support while it can. Do not be surprised if it hits Syria soon to get Iran (Iran said it will defend Syria against Israel) even more involved.
5. This is WWIII and Israel will force it to be that way. I mean pounding Hezbollah is one thing, but going outta control on the whole country is another. They want to get everyone involved and that is also what the US wants and they want to weaken Iran, Syria and other threats. The US is keeping it's hands clean in the meantime and will not react unless it sees that they will lose their only military support in the Middle East (Israel). If Bush can react and look good out of this, he might be popular again come election time.
6. Hezbollah is thinking that this is the time to eliminate Israel and would love for Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, Palestinians and other Israel haters to be attacking Israel at once, hoping to defeat it. They really probably can and you can also add the idea that there is a big chance someone has Saddam's WMD's.
7. Don't be surprised that Israel will make a move on the French evacuation tomorrow to cause more countries to get involved. It might seem crazy, but look outside the box.
8. Israel wants this war to be in Lebanon, they along with the US could care less about Lebanon.
9. In the Bible, it says that a major war will occur in a small country and it will be started by two anti-christs (Hezbollah and Israel). It also says that the major battles between many of the countries will happen in the valley. It could be the "Beka3" valley that it is talking about. The "Beka3" valley for those who don't know is in southern Lebanon and it is also where many believe the WMD's of Saddam were taken through the Syrians.

7/16/2006 3:06:57 AM

how much longer will the 3 Abrahamic facisms will continue to fuck with humankind?

7/16/2006 3:12:38 AM

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"Lebanon reports 106 killed so far in 4-day assault; Israel reports 15"

hmmm... that must be adjusted the ratio lives closed at on the israeli markets friday




edit ya....it is just looked it up on yahoo money. the centarab (100arabs) is trading at just under 15 jews wow. up 3 points

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 4:01 AM. Reason : he]

7/16/2006 3:59:59 AM

9 dead along with many injuries due to another attack from Hezbollah on Haifa.

We will see one of the main reasons why we went to Iraq very soon. It's all strategic against Iran and Syria along with other reasons we know about.

JUST HEARD FROM IRANIAN PRESIDENT REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER

"The losses for Israel will be in the hundreds and thousands in case it attacks Syria."

That is why we needed to be in Iraq. This has been planned for a long time and now is the time for it due to reasons I previously stated.

Iran very soon will get involved after Israel hits Syria. It's gonna be Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and the Palestinians against Israel, then the US will get it's military on the move.

7/16/2006 4:11:51 AM

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"Increased terrorism will not come from political standpoints. But when Israel bombs a house by mistake and kills someones wife and kids, that will cause terrorism. Fighting against the US/Israel for anyone is like a guy using a BB Gun with no BBs to shoot down an F-14 Tomcat. So terrorists use tactics like 9/11. But if you dont think Israel bombing innocent peoples homes by "mistake" will cause an increase in terrorism you are wildly mistaken."

Why did you respond to me with this? Does it have anything at all to do with what I said?

Israel isn't stupid. You're not smarter than the generals running the Israeli Defense Force. They didn't go into the war planning phase and think "gee, we're going to accidentally kill civilians -- I bet THAT'LL have no effect on terrorist recruiting at all!"

Seriously! They do this shit for a living, dude!

I'm pointing out a facet of the situation, the strategic bet that Israel is making -- that obliterating Hezbollah's legitimacy in the Lebanese polity will offset the negative effects of collateral civilian deaths, and whatever other mayhem follows from war.

The people involved in this situation have thought it through ten steps further than you or I. It's not a question of tactical issues like the one you're bringing up. Hezbollah is probably betting that if they can outlast Israel, they will further solidify their base of power and therefore their influence in the Lebanese government (perhaps including more seats and popular support). Israel is hoping that with a sustained action, they can put pressure on the Lebanese majority government to take actions to de-legitimize Hezbollah. Not to mention they will use it as an excuse to wreak whatever havoc they wish based on any known intelligence they have.

7/16/2006 6:58:08 AM

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"Israel isn't stupid. You're not smarter than the generals running the Israeli Defense Force. They didn't go into the war planning phase and think "gee, we're going to accidentally kill civilians -- I bet THAT'LL have no effect on terrorist recruiting at all!" Seriously! They do this shit for a living, dude! "

The Wolf Web.

Where people with absolutely no military experience stand by to deliver their expert military analysis.

7/16/2006 10:18:27 AM

Haha and then grunts come in and correct us on broad strategic issues.

7/16/2006 12:58:52 PM

nobody pays attention to the fact that hezbo is the largest wellfare/healthcare/education provider in southern lebanon. They run several hospitals, schools, soup kitchen and all kinds of things but american media/government makes them out to be an evil terrorist organization

7/16/2006 1:09:10 PM

^ Public Relations

7/16/2006 1:11:24 PM

^^correct

7/16/2006 1:28:51 PM

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"9. In the Bible, it"

says God hates you. no really.

7/16/2006 1:55:51 PM

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"nobody pays attention to the fact that hezbo is the largest wellfare/healthcare/education provider in southern lebanon. They run several hospitals, schools, soup kitchen and all kinds of things but american media/government makes them out to be an evil terrorist organization"

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/13/hezbollah/index.html

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"It garners popular support among Lebanese by setting up schools, hospitals and other social services."

I don't see Blue Cross or the PTA shooting rockets at its competitors

7/16/2006 3:21:10 PM

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"Finish them off the face of this earth."

7/16/2006 3:22:40 PM

^ I realize you want to be included in getting finished off

7/16/2006 4:17:19 PM

^^^beleive me, if the united states was under occupation, everyone would be.

7/16/2006 5:38:13 PM

^^^^ It's called public relations, kind of like how Michael Jackson has a theme parkfor little kids so he can keep them close by and take manipulate them.

Hezebollah is a bigass Michael Jackson theme park for adults and political policy.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 6:19 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2006 6:19:03 PM

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/07/16/1687646-cp.html
Hey look, eight dead Canadians.

7/16/2006 6:20:34 PM

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"Hezebollah is a bigass Michael Jackson theme park for adults and political policy."

hey, that's insulting to Hezebollah.

7/16/2006 6:36:53 PM

^^whoops

7/16/2006 10:16:33 PM

I really hope that cxmai is really just a troll because anyone, in this day and age making statements like 'she' has such as 'Long Live Hezbollah' and claiming that Hezbollah is anything BUT a terrorist organization is just proof that partial abortions can survive

7/16/2006 10:23:12 PM

^^ It was retaliation for Terrance and Phillip.

7/16/2006 11:13:50 PM

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"and any other arab terrorists down there."

make sure to only kill the arabs terrorists.

7/16/2006 11:58:43 PM

"come on israel" - "finish them off"

by them i hope he means people like hezbollah

7/17/2006 1:34:52 AM

mytwocents, I think that you should know that when this war started, I along with many other Lebanese wanted Israel to take out Hezbollah and for Israel to recieve no harm. The idea is that they are terrorists but the fact is, they have never done any attacks on the Christians in Lebanon. On the other hand, Israel now is killing Lebanese soldiers and is destroying all of Lebanon. This is not against Hezbollah, they are trying to bring back Lebanon and keep it weak in the Middle East forever and later reward the Palestinians with this country and trying to save their ass while they can on someone else's soil. So there is nothing I would love more than for Israel along with Hezbollah to suffer as much as possible. This means fire all the rockets you want Hezbollah at Israel and make them cry. I hope Israel will do the same and weaken Hezbollah. I hope they destroy each other which by the way, they are doing exactly that.

7/17/2006 1:35:27 AM

^^ initially yeah, it is people like Hezbollah, but after seeing Israel bomb places in Lebanon that have nothing to do with Hezbollah, I hope Israel finishes Hezbollah off and in the process gets finished off itself.

7/17/2006 1:37:39 AM

you must be insane...your hatred for israel has made you completely irrational...in spite of all the damage that israel has already done in your lebanon they are still showing huge amounts of restraint...eventually though...when the attacks on israel continue...they are going to get tired of it...and there will be nothing left of lebanon...and even if it was israel dropping the bombs...it will have been partly lebanon's fault...because they would rather see some jews die than stop thier country from being blasted back to the 12th century

7/17/2006 1:40:15 AM

it's not about hatred for Israel, it's about hatred for whoever will destroy another beautiful country just to bring it back and eventually reward it to the palestinians to get them of their back. You don't know shit man, they are attacking places that have nothing to do with Hezbollah. I'm not saying Hezbollah is good and they aren't doing the same, but Israel is actually deciding exactly where it wants to hit whereas we know about Hezbollah's weapon quality.

7/17/2006 1:52:51 AM

israel=terrorists

7/17/2006 1:54:44 AM

7/17/2006 1:56:12 AM

(I replied in the other thread by mistake)
babzi:
Have you ever seen 'New Jack City'? See there are these drug dealers, who make a shit ton of money and they employ a lot of desperate and poor folks and even give them money as charity. Wonderful group of people. But drug dealers, especially of that caliber are dangerous to the rest of society. So while they may be providing roofs over the heads and food on the table of it's employees, many of whom are desperate just to get by, then they're also putting those employees at risk because they now live in the same place as the drug dealers, and when the drug dealers get taken down, no matter how much the employees have been warned to GTFO, they get caught in the middle of it.

Now replace 'drug dealers' with Hezbollah and 'employees' with 'Southern Lebanese residents' and that is what is going on right now.

7/17/2006 1:58:13 AM

damn it, they are all terrorists in their own way. The whole world is afraid of Iran, especially Israel. It wants this war so that it can get the US support while it still can. Right now, they probably are hoping Iran and Syria don't get involved because they are so surprised of what Hezbollah is doing to them. ISRAEL CAN NOT TAKE ON IRAN, SYRIA, THE PALESTINIANS AND HEZBOLLAH AT ONCE, so no one will win out of this. Israel will not stop until they disarm Hezbollah and get their soldiers back and Hezbollah definitely will not stop until this is expanded and Israel gets raped.

7/17/2006 2:00:20 AM

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"You don't know shit man"

actually...you must not..

i still contend you must be out of your mind...regardless of whoever is right and whoever is wrong...if your goal is to not see lebanon shot to hell and gone...and you still support hezbollah...then you must be insane...because no matter what happens..(as long as it remains just lebanon and israel)...israel will be ok...but lebanon will truly be in ruins...

the best chance lebanon has is to reign in hezbollah....if they dont do that....they are finished

7/17/2006 2:06:19 AM

The sunni countries are supporting Israel and the reason is that they want Lebanon to be sunni lead and resolve the middle east issue by driving out the remaining christians out of Lebanon and giving it to the palestinians, also Saudi Arabia people have so many damn mansions in Lebanon as well.

7/17/2006 2:21:13 AM