whats posession of a handgun by a felon? is it a felony?

9/24/2006 7:17:10 PM

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"So they only have reciprocity if we have reciprocity with them? WTG General Assembly.."

Isn't that what reciprocity means? There's a reciprocal agreement between the two states?

9/24/2006 7:24:02 PM

Yes, and no. North Carolina's one of the more restrictive state permits, and from what I understand, does not want reciprocity with certain less restrictive permit requirement states.

So, certain states have signed reciprocal agreements, while others honor it without requiring a signed agreement.

9/24/2006 7:29:06 PM

Yes, but honoring a permit isn't the same as reciprocity. Just noting that.

9/24/2006 7:30:25 PM

Noted, but the only two states that merely honor NC permits are Vermont and Missouri, so it's not a huge issue. Which is rather odd on Vermont's part, considering their Utopian gun laws.

9/24/2006 7:33:17 PM

North Carolina can't recognize a non-existant VT permit.

9/24/2006 7:42:43 PM

Hadn't considered it that way. Makes a bit more sense.

Either way, here's to more states following VT and AK's lead.

9/24/2006 7:45:42 PM

i recognize some of these gun names from playing counterstrike

9/24/2006 7:48:40 PM

^
There are few things as amusing as watching someone come into a gun shop and ask about a "Deagle".

9/24/2006 7:52:37 PM

Can't beat it, except maybe with a really nice 1911, but in my mind, 1911s aren't for the firearms-uninitiated.

9/25/2006 12:26:39 AM

As sweet as they are, I wouldn't recommend a SIG 22X for a novice shooter, either. That's a lot of levers and machinery that a novice shooter shouldn't have to deal with on a first pistol. Maybe a DAK model.

That being said, outside of DAO pistols, I don't know what I'd recommend for an inexpensive first weapon. Maybe a DAO Smith model from CDNN, or a CZ variant. Simple, low cost, fairly reliable.

9/25/2006 12:40:27 AM

Ugh.

I hate DAO. On a revolver it makes sense, but on a pistol...WHY???

C&L FTW. Preferably with full DA/SA function.

9/25/2006 1:03:27 AM

Learning curve. Same trigger pull every time. Once you get used to trigger reset, natural point of aim, breath/muscle/posture control, and start getting good groupings, then move on to the sexier pistols.

9/25/2006 1:06:38 AM

That's why I just go for single action.

Frankly, I think people underestimate n00bs. I mean, take it slow by all means, but at the same time, it's really not that much harder to insert "disengage safety" before "press trigger rearward with smooth and consistent buildup".

When taking new people out (lol), I tend to have them start out going SA-only, and after they get the hang of "safety off then open fire", I start teaching them DA trigger control.

9/25/2006 1:09:16 AM

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"As sweet as they are, I wouldn't recommend a SIG 22X for a novice shooter, either. That's a lot of levers and machinery that a novice shooter shouldn't have to deal with on a first pistol. Maybe a DAK model."

lot of levers and machinery?

all it has is a decocker. it's about as idiot proof as a semi-auto pistol can possibly be.


and yeah, DAO sucks big time.

9/25/2006 1:12:40 AM

^
Wait, you forgot the slide release! OH SNAP

9/25/2006 1:17:31 AM

Would that there were less idiots to have to idiot proof firearms.

DAO does suck, but it's consistent, which is the first habit to develop in good form. Do it the right way, often.

That being said, I carry a polymer bastard that no one's ever heard of.

9/25/2006 1:17:39 AM

^^ah yeah, forgot about that.

still, it's a kickass pistol, and it's easy to shoot and shoot well. the only thing about it that isn't suited to a beginner is the stratospheric pricetag, but you can get used ones for a pretty reasonable amount.



my old P226 in action



a better pic of it (with me spoofing the old djeternal pose)

9/25/2006 1:24:29 AM

Yeah, I have to say no to myself every time I see CPOs in the newest CDNN. Such a good deal! There are a couple of SIGs that I lust after, namely the 220R and the SAS 239. Neither of which will be very affordable any time soon.

That, and I'm waiting on the subcompact cousin to my carry weapon:



[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 1:30 AM. Reason : You carry a WHAT?]

9/25/2006 1:27:21 AM

double post

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 1:31 AM. Reason : asdfad]

9/25/2006 1:31:21 AM

so wait, do you guys carry guns around just in case some shit goes down?

is it just certin trips or events you carry them for or is it most every day?

9/25/2006 1:38:35 AM

It goes everywhere I go, except campus Thanks NC General Assembly, for legislating away my right to the only proactive means of self defense.

But more to answer your question, yes, I carry it everyday, everywhere allowed by law.

9/25/2006 1:41:37 AM

^^ i kept one in the trunk of my car when i lived in raleigh

i kept it in my trunk in VA b/c i lived on base and couldn't keep it in the barracks, and didn't feel like jumping through hoops at the armory if i wanted it.

i generally just keep it in my house here in FL, b/c i almost never go anywhere down here that i could reasonably expect to need it.

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 1:44 AM. Reason : adfasdf]

9/25/2006 1:44:15 AM

Just checked the profile, you at NAS Pensacola?

< SGT, USMC 98-04

9/25/2006 1:46:17 AM

oh sweet...yeah, i'm at NASP for a few more months...then either going to MCAS Miramar or NAS Whidbey Island

<-- 1st Lt, USMC (2004-present)

9/25/2006 1:48:59 AM

Semper Fi.

And on that note, I've REALLY got to finish this paper.

9/25/2006 1:50:09 AM

^^ what happened to Cherry Point? You still doing Prowlers?

<--- SGT, USMC 1996-2001

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 2:10 AM. Reason : rank]

9/25/2006 2:03:13 AM

holy fucking hell

i had no clue you were 29 years old

i think i saw you irl like once but damn i wouldnt have guessed that

9/25/2006 2:04:16 AM

^^well, I'm trying to get Hornets, but it's more likely that I'll get Prowlers.

Miramar and Whidbey Island are just for a year and change of aircraft-specific training before you get to your fleet squadron...then it'll be Cherry Pt for Prowlers or Beaufort, SC for Hornets.

9/25/2006 2:18:17 AM

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"so wait, do you guys carry guns around just in case some shit goes down? is it just certin trips or events you carry them for or is it most every day?"

Interestingly enough, you are more likely to get into trouble (legally) in event of having to USE your CCW if you don't carry it around "all the time", because otherwise you start getting into having to justify why you chose that particular day to carry.

***

Thunderbear: The Steyr (that is a Steyr M, right?) seems to have quite the cult following. How's the trigger on yours?

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 7:53 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2006 7:52:58 AM

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"Try Perry's Gun Shop in Wendell. I bought my wife her pistol from there and got a good deal. Plus those guys really know their stuff. Also Barry's Daughter is a student at NCSU."

Yep. Probably the largest gun shop around. Haven't been there in a few years, but I see them at sporting expos and shows pretty often, selling Swarovski scopes and stuff. Anyone who has seen them would probably agree with me when I say that said daughter probably grabs a lot of attention for that booth.

9/25/2006 10:48:51 AM

yo I keep a pistol grip pump on my lap at all times

9/25/2006 11:09:40 AM

WORD UP PLAYER

9/25/2006 11:21:30 AM

Steyr M40A1, second generation M series.

Trigger is incredible, almost SA in smoothness and pull.

9/25/2006 11:33:28 AM

As far as handguns. Go shoot several before you buy. Everyone has different preferences when it comes to these things. Don't go to a gun store and buy the one that "looks the coolets" or "feels the best in your hand" or is "cute". We are talking about saving lives here. While having a pistol that fits your hands well is important, what good does that do you if you don't like the way it feels when you shoot it, or have trouble hitting anything with it? You MUST buy a handgun you like to SHOOT, or you will not practice enough with it, and practice breeds skill as well as confidence.
You also must select an effective caliber. You want to stop your attacker, not delay him or further enrage him. As a general rule, full size pistols (not micros or pocket pistols) are easier to shoot and practice with, as well as more accurate, than smaller ones. They also hold more ammunition and point better. Therefore, if you do not plan to conceal much, get a full size handgun. If you plan to conceal, get the largest gun you can conceal in the most powerful caliber you can handle effectively. Most ANYONE can become effective with a 9mm or .40 S&W with practice, so I do not really see any reason to go smaller than that unless you plan on deep cover concealment.
A defensive handgun must be reasonably accurate, ergonomic, and reliable. Above all, it must be RELIABLE. To that end, I will not buy pistols made by Jennings, Hi-Point, Panther, or most any Spanish knock off company. If you've never heard of a brand name and it looks and feels cheap, then it probably is cheap. How much is your life worth?

I've owned or shot extensively almost everything, and I have developed a marked preference to the Glock. The Glock is accurate, it is absolutely reliable, it feels good and points well, it is extremely durable, and can be used/field stripped/cleaned/maintained by a retarded baboon. It is also a pussycat to shoot, as the way the thing is built/weighted absorbs recoil well. Mine is a model 22 chambered in .40 S&W. I chose this cartridge because it packs 93% of the muzzle energy of the .45ACP, and has almost twice the mag capacity.

Revolvers? Ok choice for anyone who doesnt want to take the time to master an auto. The general rules of proportions, caliber, and frame size with regard to intended application apply here also. Anything smaller than a .38 is a waste of time. Snub nose is a poor choice in low light conditions (muzzle blast is crazy on these little guys). Also, .357 snubbies are quite a handful, so those who dont want to spend a lot of time mastering these wee beasties might want to get their snubbie chambered in .38 or get a larger frame (4 or 6 inch rather than 2 inch) .357 which would be easier to shoot.
I mainly use revolvers for target shooting, hunting, or plinking, as backup guns to carry in vehicles, and I will carry a large frame .44 magnum sometimes when I go hiking.

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2006 11:35:27 AM

^ do you prefer the lighter weight of the polymer frame Glock ~23oz over the heavier all metal frame of a SIG ~34oz?

I've shot both, and I personally prefer the feel of the heavier SIG for shooting. Obviously weight would be a consideration factor for concealed carry

9/25/2006 11:57:14 AM

^^
"Feels good in your hands" should be one of the top criteria in choosing a handgun...

9/25/2006 12:04:10 PM

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"^ do you prefer the lighter weight of the polymer frame Glock ~23oz over the heavier all metal frame of a SIG ~34oz? I've shot both, and I personally prefer the feel of the heavier SIG for shooting. Obviously weight would be a consideration factor for concealed carry"

Don't even think of carrying a SIG 22X without a quality belt and top notch holster. They'll make all the difference in the world. Whether it will be comfortable to you, is impossible to say until you try it. The SIG is a quality piece that you'll enjoy whether you carry it or not, so if you decide not to, it won't have been a bad investment.

9/25/2006 12:35:23 PM

I like Glocks except for one thing--I absolutely hate DAO (i guess a Glock isn't DA in a sense, but practically, it is). I'd buy one if they didn't have that fatal flaw.


My SIG P226 was awesome. Nothing at all bad to say about it.

9/25/2006 12:41:25 PM

^
Ever played with an XD?

Basically, it's like taking a Hi-Power, adding a non-shitty grip safety, and removing the manual safety.

And polymer framed.

9/25/2006 12:43:18 PM

and not expensive, and you can get the full size .45 with a 14 round cap.

9/25/2006 12:55:07 PM

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"Revolvers? Ok choice for anyone who doesnt want to take the time to master an auto"

I beg to differ - revolvers for a carry choice are by no means an "easy" option.


That aside, I've also heard very good things about the XD-45.

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 1:46 PM. Reason : and i don't mean a generic 5-round .38]

9/25/2006 1:44:48 PM

^^^

no, i've been meaning to take one of those for a spin

9/25/2006 1:46:48 PM

i have an xd-9 and i love it...

i also have a .40 glock


the XD is essentially the same gun as the glock with a few more safety features. they stole glocks design and tweaked some safety precautions. the only difference i see between my glock and my springfield is the slide release is different for dis-assembling the gun...glock u pull down those tiny buttons where as on the springfield you rotate a piece when the slide is open. the only other differences are the 1911 safety grip, the chambered round indicator and the cocked hammer indicator...other than those small safety issues, the gun is the same

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 1:55 PM. Reason : ]

9/25/2006 1:54:02 PM

I'd expect that, considering they're both based on the Browning Hi-Power.

XD also has a different grip angle.

9/25/2006 2:05:25 PM

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" I beg to differ - revolvers for a carry choice are by no means an "easy" option. That aside, I've also heard very good things about the XD-45. [Edited on September 25, 2006 at 1:46 PM. Reason : and i don't mean a generic 5-round .38]"

I've fired the XD45, and it was agreeable. I'm not a huge fan of them, but I won't badmouth them either. Springfield seems to have fixed the rust issue, and the new 45s have Melonite coating, in answer to Glock's Tenifer.

I wouldn't say revolvers are easier, considering reload time and the new scandium .357 Airweights are a BITCH to shoot.. just a solidly reliable firearms that require less training than most semiautos.

9/25/2006 2:57:45 PM

I like my scandium S&W. a 329 PD.......... in .44 mag. loaded with buffalo bore lower recoil 255gr. ammo, it still packs a hefty punch

9/25/2006 6:08:15 PM

^
Damn.

Why not just use .44spl?

9/25/2006 6:15:06 PM

I didn't read the rest of the article, but you ne a Glock... the calibre is a matter of taste/preference.

9/25/2006 6:25:02 PM

^
Glocks suck.

9/25/2006 6:28:41 PM