whats even funnier, is every time bush's poll numbers drop, al gore and john kerry cry and kiss because they are both losers

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"the democrats win"

ROFL

yeah when is that hahaha good try

9/8/2006 1:19:47 AM

youre asking when?

9/8/2006 1:21:39 AM

yes

i'm asking when the democrats have won lately, like in the past few years

9/8/2006 1:27:48 AM

im still waiting for an answer as to why bush/ republicans did not demand farenheit 911 to be pulled, but clinton/ dems have.

also, i want an answer as to why the democrats want to censor the movie

i want to know why they dont believe in freedom of speech

9/8/2006 1:36:47 AM

^^ the entire second term of G. W. Bush

9/8/2006 1:40:40 AM

^i guess we will see if thats true in november

i mean...i really doubt it....and dont see what your talking about...but you could be right...Noviembre will tell

[Edited on September 8, 2006 at 7:10 AM. Reason : asdf]

9/8/2006 7:09:03 AM

1) Fahrenheit 9/11 wasn't being distributed to public schools.

2) They aren't. The show's going to air.

9/8/2006 5:55:52 PM

I find it funny how the left defends Michael Moore until the cows come home but when a made for TV movie based on real events comes out they want it censored. It was the same thing with the Swift Vote Veterans. Freedom of expression and the press are dead in this country and Republicans aren't the only ones killing, Democrats hands are just as dirty.

And the problem in the Middle East can be traced back to Mr. Peanut Jimmy Carter who was a worse President the Bush. If he hadn't stuck his nose into the Israel/Arab World situation we might not be in this boat now.

9/9/2006 12:18:21 AM

moore didnt shoot fictional scenes and claim they were factual. he flat out said he has opininions, and he cited all his facts. competely different. at least with him you can challenge any claim, any citation. but with fiction, its just fiction.

9/9/2006 12:27:25 AM

fiction??

9/9/2006 1:17:54 AM

yes, some scenes in the movie are fiction.

[Edited on September 9, 2006 at 1:23 AM. Reason : 345]

9/9/2006 1:23:22 AM

hmm...not sure about that....i guess we will see

9/9/2006 1:28:09 AM

What is there not to be sure about? They have shown the scenes, they said that some were fiction, even joe scarborough has said that some of the scenes were fiction. And additionaly, they some of the scenes are not based on any fact. Which is what everyone has been saying.

[Edited on September 9, 2006 at 1:49 AM. Reason : 234]

9/9/2006 1:48:42 AM

is somebody forcing you to watch this on TV?

9/9/2006 3:30:45 AM

probably somewhere, someone is.

9/9/2006 4:36:06 AM

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""WHAT WENT WRONG. The inside story of the missed signals and intelligence failures that raise a chilling question: did September 11 have to happen?" By Michael Hirsh and Michael Isikoff; Newsweek May 27 2002 "Back in July 2001, Bill Kurtz and his team hit pay dirt, and no one seemed to care. A hard-driven supervisor in the FBIs Phoenix office, Kurtz was overseeing an investigation of suspected Islamic terrorists last July when a member of his team, a sharp, 41-year-old counterterrorism agent named Kenneth Williams, noticed something odd: a large number of suspects were signing up to take courses in how to fly airplanes.... But little of that seemed to make a difference back in Washington, where the Kurtz team suffered a fate even worse than Cassandras: not only were they not believed, they were ignored altogether.... under Attorney General John Ashcroft, the department was being prodded back into its old law-and-order mind-set: violent crime, drugs, child porn. Counterterrorism, which had become a priority of the Clintonites ... seemed to be getting less attention. When FBI officials sought to add hundreds more counterintelligence agents, they got shot down even as Ashcroft began, quietly, to take a privately chartered jet for his own security reasons. The attorney general was hardly alone in seeming to de-emphasize terror in the young Bush administration. Over at the Pentagon, new Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld elected not to relaunch a Predator drone that had been tracking bin Laden, among other actions. In self- absorbed Washington, the Phoenix memo, which never resulted in arrests, landed in two units at FBI headquarters but didnt make it to senior levels. Nor did the memo get transmitted to the CIA, which has long had a difficult relationship with the FBI„and whose director, George Tenet, one of the few Clinton holdovers, was issuing so many warnings that bin Laden was the most immediate threat to Americans he was hardly heeded any longer....""

9/9/2006 5:15:36 AM

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"What is there not to be sure about? They have shown the scenes, they said that some were fiction, even joe scarborough has said that some of the scenes were fiction. And additionaly, they some of the scenes are not based on any fact. Which is what everyone has been saying. "

well...i havent been keepin up that much. i was under the impession that there was a few scenes that got stretched a little bit, but that they were still more or less how it went down...could be wrong though....ill take your word for it

9/9/2006 7:48:57 AM

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"And the problem in the Middle East can be traced back to Mr. Peanut Jimmy Carter"

Go back further than that.

The 1953 coup in Iran that allowed Pahlavi to take power was instigated by US and British intelligence. Even though Pahlavi turned out to be a dictator, he received continued support from the west. He was overthrown by the 1979 Iranian Revolution that put Islamic fundamentalists in charge. Eisenhower was President in 1953.

President Johnson was the first President to sell weapons to Israel--a missile system in 1965 and jets in 1968. Increased US support of Israel was seen as a hedge against Soviet influence with Arab states (keep in mind Vietnam was occuring at the time).

Events today are the result of a long history. It's at the point that it would be difficult to say "It's his fault" or "It's that guy's fault." Not that it stops people from trying.

9/9/2006 10:33:21 AM

If only Osama's mother had had an abortion....

9/9/2006 1:04:53 PM

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"Events today are the result of a long history. It's at the point that it would be difficult to say "It's his fault" or "It's that guy's fault." Not that it stops people from trying."

Tack this to the top of just about every thread in TSB.

Good info, btw.

9/9/2006 6:53:17 PM

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"CNN LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER Aired July 1, 2001 - 12:00 ET [quote]BLITZER: Why, if the U.S. has Osama bin Laden as so-called terrorist number one, the most wanted person on the U.S. list, why is it so hard to find Osama bin Laden? FEINSTEIN: Well, that's a good question, I think. One of the things that has begun to concern me very much as to whether we really have our house in order, intelligence staff have told me that there is a major probability of a terrorist incident within the next three months. So Senator Shelby is right. This is a very serious concern. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/01/le.00.html[/quote]

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"DR. RICE: Steve, I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html

Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism: Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why? (September 1999)

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"Al-Qaida’s expected retaliation for the U.S. cruise missile attack against al- Qaida’s training facilities in Afghanistan on August 20, 1998, could take several forms of terrorist attack in the nation’s capital. Al-Qaida could detonate a Chechen-type building-buster bomb at a federal building. Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida’s Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House. Ramzi Yousef had planned to do this against the CIA headquarters. In addition, both al-Qaida and Yousef were linked to a plot to assassinate President Clinton during his visit to the Philippines in early 1995. Following the August 1998 cruise missile attack, at least one Islamic religious leader called for Clinton’s assassination, and another stated that “the time is not far off” for when the White House will be destroyed by a nuclear bomb. A horrendous scenario consonant with al-Qaida’s mindset would be its use of a nuclear suitcase bomb against any number of targets in the nation’s capital. Bin Laden allegedly has already purchased a number of nuclear suitcase bombs from the Chechen Mafia."

http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/terrorism.html

Couple this with the August PDB, and it pretty well lays the failures of 9/11 at Bush's feet.

9/10/2006 12:16:05 AM

i thought docudrama meant that some of it was based on actual events, just like big budget hollywood films say based on actual events. The director takes some liberities to make it more dramatic.

9/10/2006 12:41:18 AM

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/defamatory-sandy-berger-scene-in-911.html

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" Defamatory Sandy Berger scene in 9/11 show is THE culmination of the entire first half, it is IMPOSSIBLE to edit it out by John in DC - 9/09/2006 04:33:00 PM Okay, I just watched the Sandy Berger scene. It is beyond defamatory. The reports you've read do not do it justice. We are 1 hour 54 minutes into the film, it is the culmination of the entire first two hours of the film. CIA agents on the ground with Commander Massoud have found bin Laden. They have him pin-pointed in a house. They are looking at the house with binoculars. They are on the phone with the CIA, that has patched in Clinton National Security Adviser Sandy Berger. Berger, like a bumbling ass, sits there, looking every which way, refusing to give them clearance to grab bin Laden who is in their literal grasp. The woman at the CIA has to lecture Berger about how intelligence works, like he's some kind of moron. Berger literally looks like a deer caught in the headlights. He's clueless, an idiot, a moron, unfit to serve in any public office - hell, I wouldn't hire the guy to mow my lawn. After a very long pause, the agents are begging Berger to take some responsibility, stop being such a wuss, stop trying to cover his chicken-shit ass, you see Berger reach forward and the phone line goes dead. Clearly Berger has ended the call. Osama gets away. And Sandy Berger is personally responsible for killing 3,000 Americans and bringing down the World Trade Center twin towers. Not only is this scene FAR MORE defamatory than any review I've seen to date, this is THE KEY SCENE of the entire first half of the movie. You can't cut it, or a good portion of the movie just makes no sense. But Disney/ABC can't leave the scene is because it simply did not happen. CIA agents weren't on the ground, they weren't with Massoud, nobody had bin Laden in their grasp, and Berger never refused to give the order to get the guy. The entire culmination of the first half of the show is one big fat lie. This isn't just a small scene with a small error. It's THE scene and it NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL. Disney/ABC took a national tragedy and turned it into their own personal soap opera. If this thing airs, Disney and ABC are going to see the kind of campaign that they have never seen before. If they thought the past week has been hell, just wait for the next seven weeks leading up to the election when we take them on legislatively, legally, and in the public sphere for abusing the memory of 3,000 dead Americans."

9/10/2006 1:17:21 AM

^dude...if disney airs this....little will happen to them....people always get pissed off for a while with things like this...then they forget about it and get pissed about something else

9/10/2006 7:49:11 AM

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"i thought docudrama meant that some of it was based on actual events, just like big budget hollywood films say based on actual events. The director takes some liberities to make it more dramatic."

No, it means dramatized in the natural and original context.

as in actors replay what happened. that's why the morpheme docu is in the word

9/10/2006 10:00:00 AM

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"^dude...if disney airs this....little will happen to them....people always get pissed off for a while with things like this...then they forget about it and get pissed about something else"

Meanwhile the American Idol obsessed populace gets brainwashed.

9/10/2006 4:50:14 PM

i hate american idol....and what i said is fact

9/10/2006 5:17:31 PM

so what should i watch tonight

9/11 thing on cbs
9/11 thing on abc
manning vs manning on nbc
simpsons on fox

?

9/10/2006 6:29:31 PM

We have a long history of poor decisions regarding the Islamic world. The consequences we are dealing with now have little to do with how Clinton and the Bushs handled terrorists, but rather the past mistakes that created them.

9/10/2006 7:02:20 PM

whoomp there it is

9/10/2006 8:59:10 PM

i did not

have

sexual relations

with that woman

miss lewinsky






is it sad that i remember exactly where i was and what i was doing when he said that?

9/10/2006 9:54:12 PM

i was laughing

9/10/2006 10:04:52 PM

just about swallow your dip?

9/10/2006 10:13:51 PM

what's with all the drum scenes?

9/10/2006 10:42:01 PM

I wonder if anyone will show a "path to Katrina" or "path to tsunami" in 5 years. We usually manage to forget about the things that had a bigger impact.

9/11/2006 12:29:45 AM

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

9/11/2006 1:18:19 PM

^zing!

^^not a bigger impact as far as number of deaths

9/11/2006 1:25:12 PM

~230,000 people died because of the tsunami in 2004.

9/11/2006 1:27:09 PM

oh shit i was only thinking about katrina, my bad, touche

9/11/2006 1:27:33 PM

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"ABC News Pounds ABC Entertainment's 'Path' ABC aired Pt. 1 of its controversial The Path to 9/11 miniseries largely intact Sunday amid protests from former government officials depicted in the film. It was immediately followed by a special edition of Nightline that contradicted virtually all of the film's allegations against the officials. (The controversy was also covered earlier in the week on ABC's World News with Charles Gibson.) Among those who had expressed outrage over the film's content were former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, and former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger. In addition, the network had reportedly received hundreds of thousands of messages from Democrats. Protests were also organized outside the ABC headquarters in New York and Burbank, CA. On its website, ABC News posted "a sampling of written complaints regarding ABC Entertainment's film." They included comments from former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, who served under both Clinton and George H.W. Bush and is depicted in the film, who called the film "an egregious distortion that does a deep disservice both to history and to those ... depicted." Bruce R. Lindsey, CEO of the Clinton Foundation, wrote, "As a nation, we need to be focused on preventing another attack, not fictionalizing the last one for television ratings. ... [The film] cheapens the fifth anniversary of what was a very painful moment in history for all Americans." On the other hand, the ABC News site also posted a message from the Traditional Values Coalition, which posted the deleted footage on its website at http://traditionalvalues.org/clinton_abc.html. The group's chairman, the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, wrote: "ABC-TV has surrendered. ... ABC-TV has now been proven to be owned and operated by Mr. Clinton and the vast left wing conspiracy. ABC's lack of spine is what is 'despicable,' not this factual program." On ABC's primary website, http://www.ABC.com, David Cunningham, the film's director, wrote, "The eight years from the first WTC bombing to the day of 9/11 involved two administrations with plenty of culpability all around. Something needs to explain how that happened." "

9/11/2006 3:48:17 PM

"Who's cryin' now?" Clinton administration officials are whining like a bunch of bitches! Take a dose of your own medicine, fuckers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/07/AR2006090701454.html

http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20060905-111623-5746r

9/13/2006 5:23:29 AM

I sitll fail to find too much logic in the argument that "But Fahrenheit 9/11 was at the theaters, it wasnt broadcast on TV"...yes you would have to pay to see it (although it came on TV eventually, like pretty much ANY movie in theaters)...but nobody forces you to watch anything

9/13/2006 9:16:08 AM