nutsmackr, I know your intentions are good and you know your shit, but I am gonna have to disagree with a few things...

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"your problem is you came here in the fall of 03. you have no concrete base to argue anything."

I came to State in Fall 2000, but I went to games as Tom Reed was leaving and all of Sheridan's years. That's irrelevant.

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"It's a rebuilding year. We aren't FSU or miami yet. We have to rebuild. Other programs reload."

Come on now. "Rebuilding year" euphemism for having a shitty season. Especially when you've had a void at skill positions for three straight years, such as QB.

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"Look at the macrolevel. In my years here, I've witness large improvments."

Not me. I see a program that can't keep a good assistant coach. Thats the mark of a good head coach and progressing program- KEEPING assistants. Bobby Petrino at Louisville keeps his from leaving for bigger and badder schools. Why can't a coach at NC State keep them?

I also see a head coach that hides behind a facade of improved facilities, as if he built them by himself. Facilities don't mean shit if you don't win more games, year to year. Don't get me wrong. He brought a lot of excitement to Raleigh when I was there, but it fizzled back in 2004.

Its 2006 now! P-Rivers is long gone.

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"I can't really blame chuck for that. There has always been and advesarial role between him and the media especially Chip alexander."

I'm tired of State fans whining about the media. Its like that at a lot of places. That's a bad excuse for piss-poor handling of the media. The Louisville Courier-Journal is just as bad (if not worse) in its pro-Kentucky (anti-UL) slant. (I use the Louisville example because my dad went there and played there.) However, coaches deal with it.

Look at places like Michigan and Michigan State, where the media is disgustingly slanted towards Michigan. Texas and Texas A&M.... BAD.

Sun Sports and all the Florida football shows are pro-Florida and biased against Miami because those guys are UF and FSU grads. They are dickheads to Miami coaches. Hell, the national media has hated Miami for years for being the Nouveau Riche and renegades of college football. Miami deals with it!

9/12/2006 3:59:38 PM

What does Mike O'Cain have to do with coach Amato being terrible?

9/12/2006 3:59:50 PM

^^i can vouch for that. miami is generally shunned in the St. Petersburg Times, the biggest paper in Florida. UF gets front page coverage of everything and Urban Meyer is touted as a God while Coker gets only the negative attention.

9/12/2006 4:04:14 PM

It comes with the territory of being the "younger/little brother" school to older schools with older programs.

9/12/2006 4:07:33 PM

I can vouch for the some of the Florida bias stuff. My parents live in the Jacksonville area and the Florida Times Union hates Miami, but equally sucks off UF and FSU. They also hate on Georgia, but that is to be expected. Plus both UF and FSU are northern Florida schools so they should hate on Miami ayway. The N&O's bias towards UNC is bullshit though because they are located in Raleigh and the fan support is basically equal.

9/12/2006 4:33:43 PM

We're not an established program.

That 11 win Gator Bowl season was the best and worst thing to happen to the program.

We aren't good enough to reload like some of the premiere teams in the nation.

We've been ready to break out, but we can't get all the pieces together. We have a great offense, but no defense. We finally can play some defense, but we don't have an offense. It's just some bad timing.

Being the next Philip Rivers is no easy thing, and we've been spoiled by it. Great quarterbacks are hard to come by. We've recruited quarterbacks, and none of them have simply panned out. We're all just hoping and praying that Burke can be the guy.

I'll be ready to get rid of Chuck when we don't make a bowl game in three straight years. Even the Fridge at Maryland is getting that kind of chance, and while we may not like to admit it, they are like us.

9/12/2006 4:41:17 PM

anybody that says we're in a rebuilding year is full of shit. a team can't REbuild when there was nothing built to begin with.

he's had bits and pieces that have to be replaced but nothing that would qualify as "rebuilding".

you know you suck when you have to rebuild just to get back to 4th place and a mid-tier bowl.

9/12/2006 4:42:57 PM

^^ Freidgen (sp?) took them to a BCS game and won the ACC. He bought some rope because of that. Chuck would give his left nut and left tit to go to the Orange Bowl. I'd probably give my left nut too.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ^]

9/12/2006 4:43:36 PM

I looked it up on FSU's site--they were #2 when O'Cain beat them in '98. We were their only loss that year (2nd game of season for them) on their championship game run.

They were #10 when Amato beat them in Tallahassee (and lost to UNC that year) and #14 when we beat them in Raleigh (with losses to Louisville and ND (on turnovers) and Georgia in their bowl game)


We also beat a #2 Texas with O'Cain did we not?

9/12/2006 4:44:39 PM

Not only did Fridge win the ACC outright, he went 10-1 that year and had 10 wins the next season I believe too. Fridge has proved he can take them there. They went immediately from a bottom tier team to barely being above Duke, straight to ACC champs.

9/12/2006 4:48:39 PM

Well if you're a Maryland alum/fan/student, how can you settle for being out of a bowl game two years in a row?

You know that you've had a taste of potential greatness and they can't even win more than five games.

Now I would give them more credit for being pissed off about their team, because surely it would be frustrating to have the talent level drop like that and totally be off the map.

We haven't been that high, and we haven't been that low. Let Amato actually get "Lowe" before he really feels the hot seat.

9/12/2006 4:50:21 PM

^^^we did beat texas - a wild game, i think we blocked like 3 or 4 punts.

and it was the first game of the year and in Austin.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 4:52 PM. Reason : i was a junior, it was a w00tingly good time.]

9/12/2006 4:51:38 PM

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"^^so you wanted him fired during the Gator Bowl year?"

Yes. His best team EVER finished 4th in the ACC before UM, VT, and BC came.

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"It's not like O'Cain was going 2-9 every year and finishing 8th or 9th in the ACC like the bball program was..."

BINGO. MOC was 6-5, 7-5, and 6-6 in his last 3 years and was fired just about only because he couldn't beat UNC, who was the 2nd best team in the ACC back them.

9/12/2006 5:32:28 PM

he should got him some red shoes

9/12/2006 5:35:20 PM

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"What does Mike O'Cain have to do with coach Amato being terrible?"

its a comparison to demonstrate that we have gone nowhere in 7 years

9/12/2006 5:35:30 PM