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"i guess that a burning cross isn't even racist to some of you guys"

a burning cross and a noose are totally different

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"Go buy a house in the ghetto and you'll learn pretty quickly that people with no power in the world you live in can be in a great position of power in their world. Hell, I'll be glad to drop you off in one of the neighborhoods on the south side of Alston Ave in Durham one day if you want the quick refresher course in power. Aside from the physical aspects of power are the ability to attract media attention and file lawsuits. You don't have to prove anything to ruin someone's career/life."

exactly. while i'd agree that it is technically true that racism requires power (as opposed to simple prejudice, which does not), pretty much everyone has some power in one aspect or another. obviously it would be worse to have, say, a racist judge than a racist garbageman, but neither is totally devoid of power in every aspect and sphere of influence.

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"You guys can say it's not a racist symbol all damn day, but the people who matter believe it is. Maybe you should ask yourselves why so many people disagree with you."

because either:

1. they are hypersensitive and looking problems that aren't there (not saying that racism is never a problem anymore--just saying that in specific instances, people are inventing problems. worse yet, it's a case of Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome)

2. they have their own agendas and something to gain, either through a lawsuit, as a settlement, as a leader of a minority group, etc.

3. they are otherwise flat out wrong.




i'm certainly not saying that a noose can't be a racist symbol, or even that it wasn't in this case (i don't know enough about this specific case to judge that), but it is by no means an INHERENTLY racist symbol, which is what some of you are arguing.

1/10/2007 10:10:13 PM

Your reason are heavily favored opinions. Ask any black person (here in America) and measure

your results. I find it funny that you say this duke, b/c Ive read in some places that you don't

even see anything wrong with the common usage of nigger on this forum. Even when people have

voice their concern to you.

1/10/2007 10:16:10 PM

not seeing anything wrong with something is not at all the same as not being willing to take action against it.

i see something wrong with gay marriage, but i think that amending the Constitution to outlaw it is one of the most fucking retarded ideas to come out of Washington in quite a while.

1/10/2007 10:20:32 PM

You were a dodgeball all american in high school weren't you?

Not seein anything wrong with nigger (when people show concern to you)
" " with a noose as a racist symbol here in America.

I guess you have a pretty fair and balanced perspective on things.

1/10/2007 10:27:38 PM

my position on policing usage of the word "nigger" on the wolfweb has nothing to do with whether or not a noose is an inherently racist symbol in America. YOU'RE the one who made that connection, not me.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:31 PM. Reason : also, other people's concern has no impact whatsoever on my core philosophy on the issue.]

1/10/2007 10:30:42 PM

You're missing my point. You not caring about that wordage giving an 'underminning' attitude towards individuals who do = the same as you NOT seeing the noose as a racial gesture here in America.

Your core philosophy is insensitive and flawed. There, how about that! Maybe you need to understand why OTHERS feel a certain way about issues before you run off and only focus on your little philosophy.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:35 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2007 10:33:30 PM

You're missing the point TWICE.

First of all, it's not at all the same, and second, my position on policing the wolf web has nothing to do with "caring about that wordage".

1/10/2007 10:35:25 PM

Notice how I never said ANYTHING about you policing the ww. I only mentioned that you were insensitive!! You brought up the policing.

1/10/2007 10:36:48 PM

I hate stuff

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:43 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2007 10:40:57 PM

Point is, either you're racist or not. People who are racist are in denial 100% of the time. They "don't see anything wrong with it". Hahahaah

You racists prics know who Im talkin too!!

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:45 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2007 10:43:36 PM

^^^ insensitive, maybe.

i'm ok with that, though. i'd rather be pragmatic and a straight-shooter, and to treat people like big boys and girls who don't need their hands held.

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=443917&page=1

i think that's the thread you're referring to.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:46 PM. Reason : ^^^]

1/10/2007 10:45:49 PM

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" ^^^ insensitive, maybe. "

Good, you're admitting your philosophy is flawed. You let your marine hoo-yaa bravado override your ability to reason and see things from a "people perspective".


[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2007 10:47:52 PM

no, my philosophy is not flawed in the least, and it is exactly my leaning towards cold, hard reason that governs my position on those things.

and where the hell did you come up with that, anyway? anyone ever mentioned to you that your understanding of logic and your ability to put forth a sound argument are sorely lacking suck donkeydick?

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:51 PM. Reason : asdfas]

1/10/2007 10:49:20 PM

Give it up Duke, you can't reason with racists like her.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM. Reason : him? hahah what a nice name fag.]

1/10/2007 10:50:34 PM

then what is this flawless philosophy of yours based on? If you don't mind me asking.

1/10/2007 10:52:59 PM

read the thread again. i posted the link for you. if you don't get my point after reading that, you're not going to get it.

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=443917&page=1

(this thread)

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:56 PM. Reason : potential thread confusion]

1/10/2007 10:54:30 PM

Im not reading that whole fucking thread again man!! Mr.Flawless philosophy. You get up here an think you're perfect all the damn time. You kill me.

Im just gonna end this coversation, before I get suspended for telling someone about themselves. Afterall you are a mod.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 10:58 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2007 10:57:15 PM

attn Paddawock!

Black people use racist slag names more than anyone else I've ever met. Nigga this nigga that. White boy this white boy that, cracker, honkie, spick, wetback, blah blah blah. AND since all men are created equal and we should all be treated the same...if he can use those terms...so can we, nigger.

1/11/2007 5:19:51 AM

is someone jealous?

1/11/2007 5:53:06 AM

jealous? jealous of what exactly?

1/11/2007 7:20:22 AM

^^^it's all about context. and generally there is a big difference between

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"Nigga this nigga that."

and

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". . . , nigger."

you know there's a difference. you know when something is being derogatory and when something is not.

but mostly, on this forum. i don't think it's about oppression or anything. i think it's about imagined anonymity and shock value. you dumbasses would never say that shit to a black guy's face. you just type it out and act e-tough.

1/11/2007 8:41:55 AM

heres an example.

example 1 - I'm with some friends and one of them spills a drink and I say "Yr such a stupid mother fucker!" we all laugh

example 2 - I'm with some friends and a dude spills a drink on me and i say "You stupid mother fucker". Then we fight.

1/11/2007 9:07:01 AM

everyones so damn touchy these days.


suck it up, pussies.

1/12/2007 1:42:48 PM

Quote :

"you know when something is being derogatory and when something is not."

Exactly. When a white guy says "nigger," it's deragatory. But when a black guy says "nigger," it's not derogatory. Wait...

1/12/2007 2:27:32 PM

^i didn't say that some people weren't overly touchy on all sides of the issue. but to claim that "nigger" isn't legitimately an offensive term that is meant in a deragatory way somet times is ridiculous.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 2:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 2:33:55 PM

well, then blacks shouldn't say it

1/12/2007 2:36:25 PM

jesus did you even read what i said?

there are times when saying it is perfectly acceptable (see most of this thread for instance).

but when someone in a position of power uses it as a threat (much like this noose hanging for instance) is wrong.

1/12/2007 3:10:10 PM

no, the only time it is acceptable to say it is if the speaker is black.

1/13/2007 1:56:05 AM

it is never acceptable to say it, black or white. and just like blacks claiming racisim will never die...neither will this thread.

1/13/2007 3:01:26 AM