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1/26/2007 6:53:54 PM

I like how it takes .4 seconds to bounce pass and shoot a 3ptr.


lol


duke wins*

1/26/2007 7:10:57 PM

fwiw, when i watch the video, the clock goes like an extra second after the clemson layup was through the hoop, but 1 sec /= 2 sec

1/26/2007 7:14:08 PM

Updated: Jan. 26, 2007, 6:12 PM ET
ACC admits to 'timing error' in final seconds

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2744216

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"GREENSBORO, N.C. -- The Atlantic Coast Conference admitted Friday that a timing error was made in the closing seconds of No. 10 Duke's 68-66 win over Clemson (No. 17 ESPN/USA Today, No. 19 AP). Coordinator of basketball officials John Clougherty said the ACC reviewed the game video and discussed the clock controversy with the officials, Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski and Clemson coach Oliver Purnell. "The league acknowledges that a timing error was made in not starting the game clock at the correct time," said Clougherty, adding the situation was resolved internally but did not elaborate. The confusion started shortly after Clemson's Vernon Hamilton made a layup to pull the Tigers to 66-63 with 5 seconds left. Josh McRoberts' inbounds pass for Greg Paulus went right to Hamilton just outside the 3-point arc. Hamilton hit a 3 to tie it with 1.8 seconds left, which seemed to have the game headed for overtime. But officials stopped play to review the time remaining and restored the clock to 4.4 seconds. The clock, which stopped on Hamilton's layup, did not restart on the steal until the ball was almost in the basket -- a pause of more than a second. McRoberts then inbounded the ball to Jon Scheyer. He pushed the ball near midcourt and passed to David McClure, who made a layup as time expired to give the Blue Devils the win. "I am satisfied with their review in this matter," Purnell said Friday. "We now need to put 100 percent of our focus on our game with Virginia on Sunday, and that is what we will do, starting with today's practice." A Duke spokesman did not immediately return a telephone message Friday seeking comment from Krzyzewski. Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press "

1/26/2007 8:33:00 PM

nothing in clemson history amounts to going againsy dean smith when practically the whole team fouled out...rick barnes tried to go in the game to be the 5th player...officials messed up and that happens a lot...it isn't a conspiracy like 50 team fouls...

i'm a duke fan and i admit they got really, really lucky in getting so much time. they didn't deserve to win like that after the last minute with 2 mistakes by paulus (one was half mcroberts though).

1/26/2007 8:41:14 PM

1/29/2007 2:31:14 AM

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"nothing in clemson history amounts to going againsy dean smith when practically the whole team fouled out"

You're clueless. It was Clemson's strategy to hack the whole game such that they had a chance to win...get your facts straight dook boy. That was the team with Jamison, Carter, Shammond Williams, Cota, no? And who did Clemson have...a bunch of clowns trying to play basketball. They had no chance so they made UNC win it at the free throw line. At least you can admit that Duke got a gift from the timekeeper/officials. Anything negative towards duke and someone has to spin it off and bring Carolina into the equation. THIS IS NOW, NOT 10 YEARS AGO OR 2 YEARS AGO.

Question for MOODY, how do you explain the timing errors not only in this game, but the one vs. VT this year and FSU last year?

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/29/2007 11:43:40 AM

Timing errors are exactly as it sounds...errors. It probably happens in about 75% of all basketball games at some point. It's a person manually starting a clock when they think someone is touching a ball or when they think the play is dead. If it wasn't Duke playing, no one would have broken is apart and analyzed every 1000th of a sec to show that they must have cheated. Let's watch a UNC game and pause and circle every hook or travel that Hansbrough commits.

1/29/2007 11:48:53 AM

God, will you morons stop with the comparing of travelling calls to clock issues. One can be reviewed until it is correctly managed, the other cannot. They are completely separate issues. There is no conspiracy for Duke. Only a few idiots are saying that. It was simply a very bad mistake by the officials who did not do enough, when it is completely within the rules to take as much time as needed, to get it correct. That's all.

About the Clemson-UNC game. I think, as ^^, pointed out the Clemson goons just went out there hacking about everything they saw... sort of like VT in Cameron in their first year in the ACC when they had like 47 fouls in the game IIRC.

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 11:52 AM. Reason : x]

1/29/2007 11:51:55 AM

^If you want to pause and look at hooks or travels, go right ahead because that's a judgement call. There's a difference between a reviewable play (timing problems) and a foul or turnover (not reviewable). In this game, the officials did not even bother replaying the final 5 seconds. I remember being shocked when I saw 4.4 left because they changed it so fast and without any time for review. That timekeeper probably is a Duke fan (schools provide the timekeeper), figured the game was over and when Hamilton caught the ball he was in shock that it went in, thought to himself "fuck I didn't start the clock" and rolled extra time off. Guy should not be time keeping games anymore and I hope he isn't. The problem is that the timekeeper needs to be on the official crew, not some fan (this goes for every school).

Again, there's a difference between a reviewable and non-reviewable play. If Hansbrough travels so much, why isn't it called more? What...is every ref in the ACC and other conferences just in love with UNC? Give me a break...

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 11:57 AM. Reason : ]

1/29/2007 11:55:55 AM

1/29/2007 12:04:15 PM

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"It was simply a very bad mistake by the officials who did not do enough, when it is completely within the rules to take as much time as needed, to get it correct. That's all."

1/29/2007 1:18:04 PM

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"But, games are 40:00:02.5 seconds long"

i lol'ed

1/29/2007 1:43:51 PM

After further review, I'm convinced 4.4 was the right ammount of time. If you look at the previous play the layup went through with 6.something left. They added that time back to where it should have been to get the correct time. 4.4

Great job by the refs getting it right and not just looking at the very last play.

1/29/2007 6:36:32 PM

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 6:41 PM. Reason : if they thought the timing was off for that too they would have stopped it there]

1/29/2007 6:40:59 PM

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"What...is every ref in the ACC and other conferences just in love with UNC? Give me a break..."

NO these things don't happen when the NCAA tournament comes around. It is usually fair or should I say more fair than ACC play. This is the reason Duke/UNC almost never live up to expectations in the tourney.

1/29/2007 7:19:50 PM

^^^ you are the dumbest motherfucker on TWW. Yeah, you got it right and the ACC was wrong after reviewing the tapes and issuing an official statement. How come you are the only Duke fan on here with a fucking thick enough skull to not admit they got it wrong. No one is saying it's any kind of conspiracy or they are cheating (for the most part no one is at least)... just that they got it wrong. Christ...

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 7:51 PM. Reason : x]

1/29/2007 7:46:41 PM

^lol


plus, its not like they would have lost if they dont score there, the fucking game was tied so its OT no matter what (unless another boneheaded play happened on the inbounds), and they probably win the game in OT.

1/29/2007 7:58:10 PM

I've been admitting they were wrong all along, but until today I (like everybody else) never thought to look at the play before that to see why they might have added extra time. If you only look at the very last play then sure, they added waaaay too much time so I looked deeper and found a logical explanation. I think that may be against the rules but even if it isn't when there is widespread outrage about something like this the acc has little choice but to issue that type of statement so they don't end up looking bad in the end.

1/29/2007 8:53:55 PM

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"This is the reason Duke/UNC almost never live up to expectations in the tourney."

Right, because UNC has been to the Final 4 four times in the past 10 years and Duke has gone to it 3 times in the past 10 years and each has won a National Championship within that time span. We could go back 15 years making UNC have 6 Final Fours and Duke with 5 Final Fours and each winning two national titles. Yeah, I guess thats not living up to expectations. You aren't going to make Final 4s every year. Is there any other school that can say the same thing? Kentucky has been to three Final 4s in that span and won two national tites, Michigan St. has been there four times and won one national title, Kansas has been there three times, Arizona has been there three times and won one title. All good feats, but to say UNC and Duke always choke is probably not the best way to put it.

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 11:47 PM. Reason : teams]

1/29/2007 11:34:14 PM

look at the noob with the info

1/29/2007 11:37:22 PM

he brought the heat right there

good job

1/29/2007 11:41:15 PM

You are missing the point n00b.

Look at the Duke the last 4 years...a #1 seed all four years with Redick/Sheldon/Dockery and how many Final Fours did they make? The point is the two are almost always top 10 teams and still fail to succeed as much as they should according to their "ranking"

1/29/2007 11:43:39 PM

^How am I missing the point? Does the best team always win? Did Houston win in '83, Kansas in '97, UNLV in '91? It's not just UNC and Duke that underperform, it's called the NCAA tournament and anything is possible.

Duke could have won it in '86, '99, '02, and perhaps '04, but they didn't. UNC could have won it in '84, '94, '95, '97, or '98 but they didn't. Still have better performances than other schools. Maybe you're right and that they have underperformed, but no worse than any other Top 10 team.

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 11:58 PM. Reason : ]

1/29/2007 11:53:25 PM

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"This is the reason Duke/UNC almost never live up to expectations in the tourney."

wow...pure and utter ignorance...the odds are stacked against you in the tourney regardless of how good you are

1/30/2007 12:40:03 AM

what else would you expect from packboozie?

1/30/2007 12:51:53 AM

i would like to bash rdmcalli for being a unc fan, but he's done well in this thread. there is finally parity in a college sport and if you think the best team wins the ncaa title in ANY sport, especially college basketball every year...then you are mistaken...

unc girls' soccer doesn't count

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 3:16 AM. Reason : .]

1/30/2007 1:03:58 AM

lol i just remembered the unc game 2 years ago when the ball wnet out of bounds at the end with like 2seconds and the game ended. ahaha pwnt

1/30/2007 1:51:01 AM

Hahah okay Aristotle first off you are the biggest idiot on TWW now that Earl and hcnguyen aren't on here anymore. And second since you are a big Duke fan and JJ Redick was the best college basketball player ever, how come Duke never made a Final Four with him? You are kidding yourself to say that Duke has not underacheived these last 4 years.

1/30/2007 7:11:23 AM

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"I (like everybody else) never thought to look at the play before that to see why they might have added extra time."

Actually I think if you read this tread and have some form of reading comprehension you will see that everybody did account for the play you are talking about.

1/30/2007 7:53:39 AM

^^um...2004?

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 8:37 AM. Reason : ^the videos sure don't]

1/30/2007 8:25:02 AM

Feel free to e-mail the Atlantic Coast Conference with your concerns. I anxiously await the withdrawal of their statement admitting to a timing error. Maybe you should apply for a job to become an ACC referee.

1/30/2007 8:50:02 AM

^^^^ Duke made the Final 4 in 2004... They were going to win it all until they gagged and choked up an 8 point lead with 2 minutes left -- or more to the point they were forced to use Nick Horvath against Emeka Okafor. JJ missed the final 2 shots that mattered in the game...

** Though I must say that Duke and UNC ALWAYS get 2 games in NC or SC to play and sometimes even 4 games in the area (I consider ATL or DC to be the area) to get to the Final 4... which does make it easier. I know the 2 NCs that UConn won they were in the West regional (though they played in Buffalo in '04 w/ the pod system for the first 2 rounds but that is like 8 hours from campus). But winning it all is a complete crapshoot at tourney time. The most talented teams don't even come close to winning it all. In fact most tournaments the two best teams don't even play. I think the last time the CLEAR best two teams playing in the final game was in '99..

[Edited on January 30, 2007 at 11:43 AM. Reason : x]

1/30/2007 11:38:42 AM

^No, '05 UNC vs. Illinois...but before that yes it was UConn/Duke '99. I don't know if Arizona was considered second best in '01...but I remember them being up there cause I picked them to win it all.

1/31/2007 1:33:53 AM

well arizona and villanova actually beat illinois and unc in that tournament

but ya they were the best two teams all season

[Edited on January 31, 2007 at 2:07 AM. Reason : zona was the most talented imo]

1/31/2007 2:06:51 AM

great...rdmcalli is not gonna like that you brought that up...trust me i know

1/31/2007 2:14:35 AM

i find it hard to believe that noone has mentioned the fact that the timekeeper for this game is a UNC alum - (was discussed briefly on 850)

[Edited on January 31, 2007 at 11:07 AM. Reason : (an)]

1/31/2007 11:06:31 AM

really now ? I didnt know that. maybe they were holding him at gun point to rn down the clock

1/31/2007 11:41:44 AM

^, ^^ No one is blaming the timekeeper. Human error happens. The blame falls on the refs who didn't take the appropriate time to get it right.

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"No, '05 UNC vs. Illinois...but before that yes it was UConn/Duke '99. I don't know if Arizona was considered second best in '01...but I remember them being up there cause I picked them to win it all."

Good point. Forgot about UNC/Illinois game. However, Arizona finished that '01 season with 9 losses. Not quite comparable to the Duke/UConn '99 season of each with 2 losses... I still maintain that was NOT an upset in the Final game. People were just so far into Duke dick-hopping that they didn't realize that the team that was ranked #1 the longest that year (and whose only two losses came without their best player and their starting center) won the championship..

[Edited on January 31, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : x]

1/31/2007 11:52:27 AM

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"However, Arizona finished that '01 season with 9 losses."

Dude, they ended up having only 3 or 4 losses after they lost to Duke in the title game. Pretty sure you don't get a #2 seed with 9 losses. Pretty sure they were considered the second best team in the field.

1/31/2007 12:19:29 PM

You're wrong. Sorry...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/2001/ncaa_tourney/news/2001/04/02/final_gamer_ap/

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"To get to this game, Duke (35-4) had to overcome a 22-point deficit in Saturday's semifinal win against Maryland. The last time the Blue Devils won it all, it was by 20 points against Michigan. The loss ended Arizona's agonizing season and kept the Wildcats (28-8) from matching their own record of beating three No. 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament, which they did when they won it all in 1997. "

8 losses.

[Edited on January 31, 2007 at 12:37 PM. Reason : it was 8 losses going in to that game fwiw according to espn]

1/31/2007 12:37:19 PM

^^ if all you're going to do is make shit up..

1/31/2007 12:43:34 PM

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"^, ^^ No one is blaming the timekeeper. Human error happens. The blame falls on the refs who didn't take the appropriate time to get it right."

I'm blaming the timekeeper. And I'm blaming the NCAA. The officiating crew should come with a timekeeper. We all know that, but from some reason, the home team still gets to provide the timekeeper.

1/31/2007 1:40:02 PM

^ it really is baffling.

1/31/2007 2:41:24 PM

the timekeeper doesn't even really do that much anymore

if it is just time and shot clock they do, its just resetting the shot clock

and if it is score and what not thats just ringing the buzzer to bring subs in and getting up the score

for 39 minutes of the game the time (appears to be) controlled by the refs

the last minute the clock is stopped by the time keeper if a shot is made, the refs start the clock the whole game

[Edited on January 31, 2007 at 4:20 PM. Reason : in most arenas]

1/31/2007 4:20:32 PM

Have I said FUCK DUKE on Page 3 yet?

1/31/2007 4:36:03 PM

you have now.

1/31/2007 4:39:49 PM

FUCK DOOK

1/31/2007 4:48:36 PM

yo rdmcalli, the timekeeper was a unc grad, so that kills your theory

1/31/2007 5:44:29 PM

ok, we're even now

2/1/2007 11:06:00 PM