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"but how many of us will need fluency in Arabic?"

theres a huge national need for that right now, the reason should be obvious

2/13/2007 5:27:14 PM

^^i would normally agree with you. but the nyc system is gigantic and thus can support such a specific role. i'm sure they already have spanish language schools. i mean i know raleigh does.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:27:31 PM

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"Ok, on topic now: I don't see how Arabic immersion, or any language immersion, should be a responsibility of the public schools. The existing schools teach it well enough. Sure, immersion is the best way to learn, but how many of us will need fluency in Arabic? Now, Spanish, maybe, as our country starts to speak it more and more. Arabic is most useful to those going into the military. We have public training for them, and they get it during their basic training. It doesn't serve a pertinant need that can't be filled without such a school. It shouldn't be built w/ public dollars, which should go to build and maintain general public schools."

i agree with that...it must mean you're an idiot since i agree and i'm apparently an idiot

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"I initially thought that this would be an elementary school (because the first article didn't say and those are the most effective immersion schools), but it's apparently planned to be grades 6-12."

6th grade only the first year...add a new grade in subsequent years

Quote :

"but the nyc system is gigantic and thus can support such a specific role"

the size of the school system has nothing to do with misappropriation of public funds

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:28:28 PM

^i know. i can read. hence "planned" 6-12.

2/13/2007 5:29:43 PM

just as a side note Charlotte Latin is in no way dedicated to teaching Latin language or culture...it's just the name for some reason

2/13/2007 5:29:57 PM

holy crap this thread got stupid.

now we already know its being funded by Bill Gates and apparently free and teaches students so the "OMG MY MONEY" argument is out because that is what schools do. Also if a school teaches kids what they need to know as well as setting them up for careers in international relations and teaching them a language fluently I don't see how that is a misappropriation of funds. And public schools do a horrible job of teaching language to its students. If they did it well we all would know spanish.

also theres a French Immersion k-12 school in cary.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:32 PM. Reason : !!]

2/13/2007 5:29:59 PM

^is the french school a public school?

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:30 PM. Reason : ,]

2/13/2007 5:30:22 PM

^^^yeah obviously i just pulled that out. i know that they do teach latin (they came to latin conventions) i just always assumed they had a latin focus.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:31 PM. Reason : .]

^ my boss' daughter goes to a public spanish immersion school.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:30:51 PM

Quote :

"i agree with that...it must mean you're an idiot since i agree and i'm apparently an idiot"

its not your stances that are idiotic, its the way you argue.

2/13/2007 5:32:01 PM

^^charlotte latin is basically like country day or providence day...just another american private school

^pot kettle gg...people dont like you because you think you're better than everyone...not because of your stances

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:32:16 PM

now see how nice this is? whyd you have to go and barf stupid all over the place on the first page?

^go read how i argue in any thread not like this one.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:33:28 PM

treetwista.

this thread was not started because someone was mad about misappropriation of public funding. Thats fine if you think that but this thread was not started because of that.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:34 PM. Reason : im not better than anyone. maybe the problem is you think people are better than you.]

2/13/2007 5:33:54 PM

^^it is funny that you are doing what you criticized me for and you have no idea

^ok, but since its a public school, how the public funds are spent is certainly relevant



[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:35 PM. Reason : ^g waiting for the edit for the right number of carats instead of jumping on me at your 1st chance]

2/13/2007 5:34:17 PM

children, please. can we get back to the topic?

2/13/2007 5:34:36 PM

the topic of OH MY FUCK TEH A-RABS!

2/13/2007 5:35:34 PM

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC FUNDING GOING TO BUILD SCHOOLS THAT TEACH STUDENTS A SECOND LANGUAGE FLUENTLY!

2/13/2007 5:35:49 PM

i wonder how many people who dont have any problem with this school are opposed to kids saying the pledge of allegiance in school

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:36:53 PM

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"it is funny that you are doing what you criticized me for and you have no idea "

yes, i do have an idea, doofus. i know thats what i was doing. who doesnt in here? i never said i didnt. at least i make up for it in other threads.

like this one: http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=454985

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:37:07 PM

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"i never said i didnt"

yes you did

thats why people dont like your elitism

2/13/2007 5:37:42 PM

^ I would guess not many. At least I personally don't care if kids have to say the pledge.

but wtf does that have to do with immersion schools?

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:39 PM. Reason : !]

2/13/2007 5:38:11 PM

yeah, you and hooksaw. what a combo.

2/13/2007 5:38:26 PM

i don't like the idea of requiring someone to pledge allegiance to god. i have no problem with kids doing it. hell i've said the pledge countless times.

2/13/2007 5:39:24 PM

^^and you make the trio you oblivious hypocrite

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:55 PM. Reason : ^^]

2/13/2007 5:39:48 PM

well its a pledge to the country which is kinda silly to begin with and we all know the God part was added in the 50's

2/13/2007 5:40:26 PM

oblivious? i know exacly what you're saying, but at least i make up for it elsewhere.

2/13/2007 5:41:10 PM

and i'm not going to fall into twista's weak attempt at a trap. back to the topic please.

2/13/2007 5:41:24 PM

Imagine the outcry if this were a public Christian school...

2/13/2007 5:42:41 PM

when did Christianity get a language and an ethnic group?

2/13/2007 5:44:06 PM

^^^if i'm so wrong and you're so right how can i "trap" you in anything?

the problem with a lot of you guys is instead of addressing an argument and someone's point of view, you like to label that person's arguments...just categorize an argument...dont focus on the substance, just pitch a fit because you dont like how i go about presenting my ideas

^^EXACTLY

nobody else will acknowledge that though and they'll make a bunch of excuses like how the arabic school has nothing to do with islam, even though it has people immersed in the arabic culture

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:44 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:44:15 PM

last time i checked, arabic is not a religion, it's a language.

2/13/2007 5:44:20 PM

Is Christian a language? Bad comparison.

Also, there are non-Muslim Arabs. Arab=ethnicity. Islam=relgion. There's a Christian Arab teaching here at NC State, Dr. Khater. Are all Irish people Catholic?

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:44:21 PM

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"they'll make a bunch of excuses like how the arabic school has nothing to do with islam"

like clockwork

2/13/2007 5:45:28 PM

MY HIGH SCHOOL TAUGHT THE CHRISTIAN LANGUAGE CLASS... LATIN

2/13/2007 5:45:44 PM

my high school taught a bible study class

2/13/2007 5:46:49 PM

the initial argument was " Fuck that"

also I am sure if I go to a French or Spanish immersion school I will learn quite abit about Christianity.

2/13/2007 5:47:02 PM

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"MY HIGH SCHOOL TAUGHT THE CHRISTIAN LANGUAGE CLASS... LATIN"

i took six years of latin and we didn't really learn anything about christianity besides the first christian Roman emperor. we did learn a lot about mythology, republican government and caesar's military strategies.

2/13/2007 5:49:19 PM

i'll bet you if you go to school at the arabic school you will learn plenty about islam

since its a big part of the arabic culture you will be immersed in

2/13/2007 5:50:24 PM

probably more than your standard public school student, sure. i don't see this as a bad thing.

2/13/2007 5:53:19 PM

I'm still not sure why this is such a big fuss. New York has already done this with other languages such as Spanish, French, Japanese, and Mandarin Chinese. The schools are open as MAGNET schools, meaning that they're voluntary... its not like the government is forcing these kids to go there. I'm not sure how popular the Arabic program will be, but I know the Chinese one is really popular.

Geopolitics aside, Arabic is spoken by over three hundred million individuals, so its a hard language to ignore from size alone. To put it in perspective, French is only spoken by about one hundred eighty million or so.

That being said, I am surprised that it will be a 6-12 program. Most of these sorts of immersion schools are typically elementary and middle school affairs. You'd think they'd start with an elementary school first and scale up, since little children's minds are a bit more malliable when it comes to language.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 5:55 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 5:55:11 PM

I can bet my left kidney
that if this was planned to be
a German public school or a
Chinese public school, this
thread wouldn't even exist.
These loud-mouth anti-semites
can go and kill themselves.

2/13/2007 5:56:50 PM

the difference is, at this school in the USA, students would be taught about the arabic culture...at an american school in Iran, students would be taught to hate americans and that god would reward them for killing americans

2/13/2007 6:06:42 PM

holy damn that was relevant

WHAT THE FUCK

2/13/2007 6:07:54 PM

REPORTER: "MR BUSH WE DIDNT FIND WMDS"

BUSH: "HOW IS THAT RELEVANT TO THE FREEDOM OF THE IRAQIS?"

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 6:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 6:09:19 PM

^^ and fucking IGNORANT and STUPID out-of-his-ass comment.

guess what fucker, there ARE american and british schools in iran.

and they have NOTHING to do with hating white people... as if i had to say that

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 6:11 PM. Reason : can he die?]

2/13/2007 6:10:24 PM

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"there ARE american and british schools in iran."

there were

until hezbollah attacked them with suicide bombers

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 6:13 PM. Reason : ^ps what country do you live in ? i cant recall]

2/13/2007 6:11:33 PM

wow, you are dumb

2/13/2007 6:13:21 PM

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"they have NOTHING to do with hating white people"

oh my bad...its the regular iranian schools that have to do with hating white people...i knew it was some kind of school in iran that promotes hating america...thanks for the clarification

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 6:15 PM. Reason : .

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 6:17 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 6:14:24 PM

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"I can bet my left kidney that if this was planned to be a German public school or a Chinese public school, this thread wouldn't even exist. These loud-mouth anti-semites can go and kill themselves."

For once I agree.

I do want to say, though, that while I know and you know that a "semite" could be anyone from the region, you and I also know that nobody uses "anti-semite" to mean "anti-Arab," ever. I appreciate that you're trying to take back the word or whatever, but I just can't imagine that it's worth the trouble.

2/13/2007 6:17:30 PM

Quote :

"I can bet my left kidney that if this was planned to be a German public school or a Chinese public school, this thread wouldn't even exist. These loud-mouth anti-semites can go and kill themselves."

Given the comments made on this thread, I'd have to agree. Though if it were a German, Spanish, or Chinese school, it would probably have evolved into an 'mericans speak 'merican! thread.

2/13/2007 6:21:47 PM

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"oh my bad...its the regular iranian schools that have to do with hating white people...i knew it was some kind of school in iran that promotes hating america...thanks for the clarification"

and WTF does this have to do with a planned arab school in NYC.

jesus, you sure are cement-brained.

i mean, i can't even call you stupid.

because you are acting totally retarded by bringing up IRRELEVANT stuff.

i can imagine you sitting at your desk with "goo goo ga ga" coming out of your mouth.

i can't understand what is so bad about this school? no one will be forced to go there.

guess what moron, there ARE still lots of good american people left who don't shout "TURRIST" when they hear the word ARAB. and lots of them also want to learn about ARABS and what drives them.

so they will send their kids there.

WHAT DO YOU CARE???

and don't tell me it is not about that, but about the state spending money on an arab school. because if you are going to say that, read this first:

Quote :

"I can bet my left kidney that if this was planned to be a German public school or a Chinese public school, this thread wouldn't even exist."

and GrumpyGOP, i have been reading your posts for a long time now, and you are pretty balanced in your views, and very open-minded i must say. unlike that wlfpk4life guy and his cronies here. thanks.

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 6:26 PM. Reason : ^ haha RedGuard, gg!]

2/13/2007 6:24:18 PM