Twista's gonna be a teacha?!?

Get out!

3/20/2007 4:10:07 PM

a Poor Righteous Teacher

3/20/2007 4:15:54 PM

^^god help us all

3/20/2007 4:17:12 PM

If I were ever a teacher I'd definitely pretend to have flashbacks, a la Mr. Keck from my Martin MS days.

3/20/2007 4:17:49 PM

^^you should be more worried about boone...he actually is a teacher...thank god its something worthless like history

3/20/2007 4:21:36 PM

ahahahaha

you had Mr. Keck too?!

3/20/2007 4:33:08 PM

y-y-yeah m-man.

d-d-d-don't leave the gas on man, burner 'll get, hot. hot.

3/20/2007 4:34:24 PM

btw what was up with Kessler's forearms?

3/20/2007 4:36:40 PM

geez, now I'm having flashbacks

3/20/2007 4:37:10 PM

I always wondered about Kessler's arms as well.

3/20/2007 4:45:14 PM

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"^^Yes, I'd be okay with that. It's extra credit."

you are obviously missing the point.

3/20/2007 4:48:02 PM

Before anybody gets too up in arms about Figgins giving out extra credit to protestors, I'm pretty sure wolfchica is just lying. I took his class in international law right in the middle of the presidential election season, and he never did anything of the sort.

But I'll play the game as though she isn't just exaggerating his affinity for rallies:

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"you have an issue that he gives incentive to get involved?? all you have to do is go to the events, no one said you have to agree."

It isn't that he gives incentive to "get involved," it's that (as you describe it) he gives incentive to get involved with only one side. There are pro-war protests, you know, and anti-protester-protests (as dumb as that sounds). If he were actually only handing out credit for people who went to liberal/antiwar rallies, that would be an unacceptable bias.

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"shit, i mean, he even gave extra credit if you attended any of the films they show in the library during the middle eastern film festival. you don't have to be super liberal to just go watch a movie that was filmed in Egypt..."

See, there's a big difference here. Attending a movie does not imply that you support any political agenda it may have. Attending a rally or protest, however, most emphatically announces that you support it.

If I go to an execution protest, I have increased its size and visibility, albeit not by much. I have, in short, increased its political viability. If Dan Figgins were doing this (and he's not), he would basically be bribing people to unwittingly support his political position by their presence as these events.

Giving extra credit for Hotel Rwanda is miles and miles and miles away from giving extra credit to protest an execution.

3/20/2007 4:49:09 PM

What if there was one extra credit opportunity the whole semester--to go to an execution protest...?

Just the one opportunity. That happens to be an execution protest. How would you folks feel about that?

See, it's extra credit, guys...professors are doing students a favor by offering it...you can't complain that the opportunities are liberally biased.

Because it's EXTRA CREDIT.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 5:00 PM. Reason : sss]

3/20/2007 4:59:08 PM

I assume you're being sarcastic.

Making an advantage available based on adopting a political position is not right.

3/20/2007 5:01:12 PM

I dunno, dude. I think you guys are being a little sensitive.

aaronburro asked if I'd be okay with a professor only giving extra credit for going to church. And, yes, I'd be okay with that...but maybe that's cause I don't live in fear that my professors are trying to indoctrinate me, or that they actually could. (Cue comments about how they already have!!!!)

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"Making an advantage available based on adopting a political position is not right."

Actually, getting students to consider the opposition and other points of view and seek out new experiences is a goal of many educators. And it's appropriate to use extra credit to encourage this among students.

And here's an idea that's gonna piss some folks off...to most academics, the war in Iraq is WRONG. Why would they encourage students to go out and show their support for it?

Furthermore, you can go to an execution protest and be on the pro-death side.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 5:21 PM. Reason : sss]

3/20/2007 5:19:39 PM

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"to most academics, the war in Iraq is WRONG. Why would they encourage students to go out and show their support for it? "

seems like you answered your question right above it:

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"getting students to consider the opposition and other points of view and seek out new experiences is a goal of many educators."

3/20/2007 5:27:31 PM

^ beat me to it.

Also, capitalizing all the letters of WRONG does not exempt them from having to be consistent about challenging all their students views from all angles.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2007 5:28:12 PM

WE WANT YOU TO HAVE IDEAS*



*unless it differs from our socialist agenda

3/20/2007 5:34:05 PM

FenderFreek
what the fuck ever. i know we all do spell check on TWW when we're arguing

3/20/2007 5:36:47 PM

you cant really know the other side of an issue till you have defended and supported it

3/20/2007 5:36:49 PM

aaronburro

funny thing is- half of these extra credit events were/are at Pullen Baptist CHURCH

you assume Liberals don't associate with churches

3/20/2007 5:40:43 PM

if liberals spent as much time working and trying to become successful as they do bitching and moaning about other people that have done so, they'd be alot better off

3/20/2007 5:44:10 PM

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"And, yes, I'd be okay with that...but maybe that's cause I don't live in fear that my professors are trying to indoctrinate me, or that they actually could. (Cue comments about how they already have!!!!)"

The indoctrination aspect is only part of the problem. Again, attending a rally implies one's condoning of whatever the rally is for and increases its visibility and, as a result, its political viability. The concept is pretty much identical to that behind various dictators who have forced workers to attend rallies and parades for them at gunpoint, except with EC you're using a carrot instead of a stick.

I know you love to paint us as paranoid and oversensitive, but giving out extra-credit for things that can only serve to lend aid to one political agenda to the exclusion of others is blatantly wrong and an abuse of professorial power.

If your boss said the only way you could get promoted would be to vote Libertarian, he'd be in the wrong. It's no different from an instructor saying the only way to get that credit is to protest democrat.

3/20/2007 5:52:51 PM

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"[quote]to most academics, the war in Iraq is WRONG. Why would they encourage students to go out and show their support for it? "

seems like you answered your question right above it:

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"getting students to consider the opposition and other points of view and seek out new experiences is a goal of many educators."

Yes, I get that. But in the case of the war in Iraq, there is no other side to see and understand. I know I'm inviting tons of criticism for that comment.

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"Also, capitalizing all the letters of WRONG does not exempt them from having to be consistent about challenging all their students views from all angles."

What would you have them do? Guess what a student hasn't be exposed to and assign him an extra credit based on that?

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"if liberals spent as much time working and trying to become successful as they do bitching and moaning about other people that have done so, they'd be alot better off"

My parents have two undergraduate and four graduate degrees between them. They make a ton of money working to improve our health and the quality of our lives. And they're proud liberals.

3/20/2007 5:55:02 PM

and for some reason I doubt that they go out and make fools of themselves

3/20/2007 6:00:38 PM

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"The indoctrination aspect is only part of the problem. Again, attending a rally implies one's condoning of whatever the rally is for and increases its visibility and, as a result, its political viability. The concept is pretty much identical to that behind various dictators who have forced workers to attend rallies and parades for them at gunpoint, except with EC you're using a carrot instead of a stick."

Right, cause one punk who flunked a test is really gonna make that protest stand out.

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"I know you love to paint us as paranoid and oversensitive, but giving out extra-credit for things that can only serve to lend aid to one political agenda to the exclusion of others is blatantly wrong and an abuse of professorial power."

You gotta prove to me it actually lends aid. And you gotta prove to me that it lends aid to one political agenda...there are plenty of people on every side who are against the war and against the death penalty.

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"If your boss said the only way you could get promoted would be to vote Libertarian, he'd be in the wrong. It's no different from an instructor saying the only way to get that credit is to protest democrat."

1. Nobody said you had to protest. Just expose yourself to it.
2. Even if you did have to protest...protesting isn't the same thing as voting.

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"and for some reason I doubt that they go out and make fools of themselves"

No, that's just me.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 6:02 PM. Reason : sss]

3/20/2007 6:00:42 PM

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"If I were ever a teacher I'd definitely pretend to have flashbacks, a la Mr. Keck from my Martin MS days."

"T-t-that's not a t-threat, t-thats a promise!"

That dude was awesome, Hawaiian day (with pigs feet).

He wouldn't not approve of this thread. (he was a retired Lt. Col) bunch of damn (wannabe)hippies

3/20/2007 6:02:20 PM

^^ good luck being successful like your parents

3/20/2007 6:05:07 PM

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"Yes, I get that. But in the case of the war in Iraq, there is no other side to see and understand. I know I'm inviting tons of criticism for that comment."

I dunno, you're just coming off as a raging hypocrite, and you're usually better than that from what I've seen of your posts.

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"1. Nobody said you had to protest. Just expose yourself to it."

Exactly, it swings both ways.

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"funny thing is- half of these extra credit events were/are at Pullen Baptist CHURCH"

hahahaha, yeah, probably the most liberal church in Raleigh other than the UU church. Ol' Rev. Finlator and Jerry Falwell weren't exactly buddy buddy.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 6:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2007 6:05:41 PM

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"I dunno, you're just coming off as a raging hypocrite, and you're usually better than that from what I've seen of your posts."

I just can't act like protesting for the war is something anybody anywhere should be doing.

I'm pretty open-minded, but sending a student out to a protest for the war is an absurd notion that I can't entertain. Like, that's where I draw the line.

3/20/2007 6:10:10 PM

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"perhaps you should volunteer for the army is you believe in the war so much, chickenhawk"

hey scubasteve, i served in the army asshole

3/20/2007 6:10:59 PM

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"I'm pretty open-minded, but sending a student out to a protest for the war is an absurd notion that I can't entertain. Like, that's where I draw the line."

why? I mean if you feel it is that bad, then sending students to watch would only expose them to the stupidity you feel pro-war protesters express.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 6:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2007 6:11:22 PM

^^No, you didn't. Don't say that around people who actually did.

^I can see that perhaps.

No, I can't. Still a total waste of time. Nothing substantial to be exposed to.

3/20/2007 6:15:24 PM

*Shrug*

This is why I hate the term "close-minded" as its come to be used. Its been hijacked by reactionary-progressives to be thrown at anyone who doesn't agree with them. Ugh.


On a completely different note, someone should start a Charlie Keck thread.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 6:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2007 6:18:51 PM

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"You gotta prove to me it actually lends aid."

The strength of a protest comes in large part from its size. Or do you think that the handful of guys with "honk for peace" signs that meet occasionally at the belltower packed the same punch of as the Million Man March?

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"And you gotta prove to me that it lends aid to one political agenda...there are plenty of people on every side who are against the war and against the death penalty."

Political agenda = democrat/republican/liberal/conservative

"anti-war" is a political agenda unto itself.

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"1. Nobody said you had to protest. Just expose yourself to it."

You don't have to be waving a sign or cheering to be lending aid to them by your presence. People aren't going to look at the pictures of the crowd in the paper the next day and think, "Oh, well, mind you, some of those people weren't protesting."

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"2. Even if you did have to protest...protesting isn't the same thing as voting."

They are indistinguishable for purposes of this discussion. Votes affect elections directly, but protests affect votes.

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" Right, cause one punk who flunked a test is really gonna make that protest stand out."

And one vote changed because your employer made you isn't going to affect the outcome of the election, either. Guess we should go ahead and be OK with that, too.

3/20/2007 6:25:10 PM

im pretty sure that bridget understands how wrong she is and that she is just trolling now

at least i hope so

3/20/2007 6:32:58 PM

If I was a teacher I would give a damn quiz just to prove a point. That idea is just stupid as hell, who cares if 3 high school's and NCSu has a walk out with 100 people. Big deal I can draw a larger crowd by offering Free Beer.

3/20/2007 6:36:34 PM

it's easy to skip class when it's not your money

3/20/2007 6:38:35 PM

if it was up to me, I'd bring all our troops home PULL OUT NOW! and on the way out I'd slap high fives with all the insurgents/terrorists over there, encourage them not to set up a democracy, but a socialist country, and once they've got it all set up over there I'd think about moving to Iraq and live in Utopia.

Also, I'd like to fully invest all my resources into a defeat for America in their endeavor to secure Iraq and setup a democracy there. There doesn't need to be any stability over there. Who the hell cares if it directly affects the United States' national security in the future. Once the socialist terrorists begin attacking the US they won't kill me because I'll be out in the streets cheering on my liberals who gave these guys a free pass.

ramble ramble ramble

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 6:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2007 6:51:06 PM

^^^^

I just don't feel like admitting I'm wrong. I jumped in to be contrary.

I dunno. It's still extra credit, and it's up to the teacher 1) if they give you any extra credit and 2) what that extra credit assignment might be.

If it was a necessary portion of the grade, I'd be just as passionate as you guys about all this.

I guess you guys are right, and I am wrong.

^^That's true. A few college kids skipping class doesn't mean anything to the government.

If people with jobs who have bills to pay start skipping work ($$$) to protest, that means something.

3/20/2007 7:37:27 PM

good luck getting people that care about their jobs to "skip" on work to protest

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 7:38 PM. Reason : ..]

3/20/2007 7:38:31 PM

I was obviously talking about protest in general and not speaking to any specific plans I had to get people to skip work and protest this war.

Good job on the pussy bitch comment though. Did you get that tendency from your mother or what?

3/20/2007 7:41:27 PM

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"Good job on the pussy bitch comment though. Did you get that tendency from your mother or what?"

what, in the hell are you talking about?

I've not called you anything, in any thread... ever as far as I know

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 8:01 PM. Reason : but thanks for the attack]

3/20/2007 8:01:15 PM

i think bridget's medications are fucking up her brain

3/20/2007 8:52:14 PM

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"It's still extra credit, and it's up to the teacher 1) if they give you any extra credit and 2) what that extra credit assignment might be."

If a teacher offers extra credit for slobbing his knob, he gets fired. This particular line of reasoning does not work.

3/20/2007 8:52:54 PM

^^^I'm saying that this is a pussy bitch comment:

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"pwrstrkdf250: good luck getting people that care about their jobs to "skip" on work to protest"

And it doesn't apply. It's just a really pussy bitch thing to say. No man would waste his breath on that pointless shit.

^^I'm medication free!

^No. Oral sex cannot be construed as edifying. Rallies and protests can.

Fuck, I was about to back out, but if you're gonna make ridiculous comparisons like that, I'm coming back.

It's extra credit. The professor can do what he or she wants, as long as it's somehow related to the class topic. Sorry if you guys are all upset about some perceived bias. You can go to all the seemingly conservative events you want; nobody's taking that away from you. Tell the Grand Wizard I said HOLLA!

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 10:36 PM. Reason : v Interesting argument. I have no response. You won this thread.]

3/20/2007 10:18:45 PM

sure it's edifying. you learn how to please a man

3/20/2007 10:32:01 PM

What if it's a sex ed class? Or what if you're studying law and the teacher says you'll get extra credit if you commit a crime and pass through the justice system? I mean, that would clearly be illuminating on the subject.

Or, my personal favorite, let's say the professor himself is running for something -- if he gives kids extra credit to go to just his rallies, is that OK? And how is it different from just giving kids extra credit to go to rallies for things he supports?

And explain to me, now that I think about it, exactly how edifying attending a protest can be. What exactly are you garnering from that -- a knowledge that people in this country protest? That people in this country are opposed to/in favor of X? Because I'm betting that everyone who has made it to college already knows that. What new and enlightening information -- or form of presenting that information -- is made available by a protest?

3/20/2007 10:36:20 PM

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"What if it's a sex ed class? Or what if you're studying law and the teacher says you'll get extra credit if you commit a crime and pass through the justice system? I mean, that would clearly be illuminating on the subject."

1. Sex with students is unacceptable. Maybe in another world. As it is, I don't have to explain why it's not okay for a professor to give extra credit for oral sex.
2. Actually, I think it would be pretty cool if a professor offered extra credit for writing up an experience you or your friend had with the justice system. If you've never had such an experience or don't know anyone who has or aren't willing to share, guess what...no extra credit for you! What are you gonna do?

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"Or, my personal favorite, let's say the professor himself is running for something -- if he gives kids extra credit to go to just his rallies, is that OK? And how is it different from just giving kids extra credit to go to rallies for things he supports?"

I'd also be totally cool with this. Professors give extra credit to students who help them outside of class all the time. It's extra credit.

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"And explain to me, now that I think about it, exactly how edifying attending a protest can be. What exactly are you garnering from that -- a knowledge that people in this country protest? That people in this country are opposed to/in favor of X? Because I'm betting that everyone who has made it to college already knows that. What new and enlightening information -- or form of presenting that information -- is made available by a protest?"

If you don't see how attending a protest or a rally could be potentially edifying, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's why you see this as a blatant attempt to bolster protest attendance and not an attempt to encourage a new educational experience.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 10:48 PM. Reason : sss]

3/20/2007 10:44:45 PM

This is going to hurt me more than it is going to hurt you. I really don't like taking this position, but here goes.

As some of you may know, education comprises part of my concentration. And according to the Philosophy of Education Inventory (PEI) by Lorraine Zinn, the "Social Change" approach is a generally accepted teaching philosophy. This teaching philosophy posits: "education as a primary force for achieving social change, or transforming society."

So, as one can see, if a given educator teaches from the "Social Change" perspective, then allowing students to attend the type of rally that is at issue might seem quite reasonable, and the excused absence would likely be in line with course objectives and long-term teaching goals. I don't agree with this philosophy--my PEI indicated a "Behavioral-Comprehensive" teaching philosophy--but there it is nonetheless.

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 11:00 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2007 11:00:09 PM