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5/23/2007 5:21:18 PM

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"But I mean, its THEIR money, and you had a drink without paying for it. And as I stated before, thats stealing."

Yes and no. Having something without paying for it isn't necessarily stealing. Ever gotten a gift? Without setting out to deprive the restaurant of revenue, it's not 'stealing'. Dishonest? Most of the time, yes. But it's not a criminal activity.

Forgetting to add something is not intentional. Intentionally changing a customer's tip...guess what? Intentional.
I don't view it as stealing if I had nothing to do with the charge not appearing. The waitress created this theft. As a customer, if the waitress forgets to charge me for something, I've done nothing to make that happen.

If I'm not charged something, I figure it's on the waitperson, and tip as though it were included on my bill.

5/23/2007 5:21:30 PM

Nobody is 100% sure the waitress added the $3 on purpose. Maybe she did, maybe it was an accident.

5/23/2007 5:23:28 PM

Sounds like its time to start paying cash.

5/23/2007 5:23:42 PM

how much do waitresses charge for esgargs to grab their boob? $3? maybe gargs told her to put it on your tab! sucker!

5/23/2007 5:24:18 PM

And most restaurants require the managers to review the charge slips and the shit has to add up correctly in the computer before it will accept it. So most likely it wasn't even the waitresses fault, and one of the managers fucked up keying it in. And in that case, its just an accident, and not a theft since the manager doesn't make any money off it.

And I will be honest. If you knew, without a doubt, 100% that the waitress did that on purpose and was making it obvious she was stealing from you, then it would be ok to go down there. But for $3 when you don't know what the fuck happened....just let it go man. If it had been $50 or something, then by all means go down there no matter the situation. But to go through all this over $3 is just ridiculous.

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 5:28 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2007 5:25:38 PM

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"Nobody is 100% sure the waitress added the $3 on purpose. Maybe she did, maybe it was an accident."

Given that a $7 is one digit, and a $10 tip is two...I'm not believing $10 was keyed in by accident.
And $7 doesn't look like $10.

5/23/2007 5:30:13 PM

You'd be amazed at how bad some peoples handwritting is. And like I said, even if she did key it in wrong, management should have caught it. The tips don't get sent to the CC company till the end of the night after they have been reviewed. So going by this, its almost for sure just an accident.

Either way, its $3, shit happens in life all the time that isn't fair, just suck it up and move on.

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2007 5:33:09 PM

Just piss on the floor and kick the urinal off the wall. You'll feel better.

5/23/2007 5:56:01 PM

what is fantastic service for a good tip... i mean i order, you get it, blah blah you are my bitch until i leave, and no i don not have to tip.

5/23/2007 6:06:52 PM

A waitress should never give herself a tip. That's just ass. And Ambrosia is right, $7 does NOT look like $10.

You should find her and offer her the $3 if she lets you kick her in the vagina. If she's willing to steal, maybe she'll be willing to earn it back.

5/23/2007 6:16:12 PM

It's most likely one of three things:

1 - Waitress/bartender/manager misread your 5 as an 8 (when you're adding up tons of stuff at the end of the night you don't always get everything right

2 - Miskeyed the 5 as an 8. on any keypad or credit card machine the 8 is located directly above the 5, easy mistake to make.

3 - They fucking stole your money on purpose.

You should hope it's either 1 of 2 and you can chalk it up to human error or sloppy handwriting. But, it is a bar (even though I know the owners) and there are always shady fuckers working at bars.

All you "it happened because you're a shitty tipper" folks should go jump off a fucking bridge.

5/23/2007 6:17:10 PM

its fun to find a thread about anything to do with tipping,
you are sure to find the tuff guy version of mactuckfaggot

but, if you go down to GA, you will meet the timid version

5/23/2007 9:34:16 PM

i'm not reading 3 pages on this shit

but does anyone else here think it might've been a typo? i mean, the 8 is right above the 5 if they were keying it in to a computer or register. i still think you should call your CC company, but look at it this way - if the server was going to risk their job/possible legal action by scamming you, don't you think they'd have at least tried to make it enough to buy a full gallon of gas?

5/23/2007 11:17:29 PM

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" (2) unless the server is *REALLY* fucked up, then i write a nastygram on the CC slip with no fucking tip."

Oh because that's the man's way to do it all passive aggressive. You complain to their manager right then and there.

I always hated passive aggressive cuntrags like you that would come into the restaraunt and act all nice and be bitching behind my back. I'd rather have it out in the open so I can fix it then let it stew and fester.

5/23/2007 11:58:54 PM

^^This happens a lot actually, even the food service people in this thread admitted it. They probably didn't do a large amount so it wouldn't be detectable as easy. They were probably assuming the person wouldn't check, wouldn't remember because they were drunk, or just wouldn't give a shit about a few bucks.

5/24/2007 12:02:19 AM

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"I'll say it again. I doubt anyone here would drive back to a restaurant to repay $3 if you got home, looked at your receipt and you notice the waitress forgot to charge you for the drink you had. But I mean, its THEIR money, and you had a drink without paying for it. And as I stated before, thats stealing. And don't say you would drive back down and point this out to the restaurant and pay them back, because you know you wouldn't."

This isn't the same thing. In your example it's the restaurant's fault they didn't charge you for the drink, not yours. How is that comparable to a waiter/waitress scamming you by adding in extra tip? A comparable example would be you erasing the drink from the bill before paying at the register.

Gotta love the self fulfilled prophecies in the tip giving department as well. Wait staff thinks to self "They aren't going to tip well, so I'm not going to give decent service." Customers leave lousy tip that reflects service given. Wait staff says to self "HA! See... I knew it!"

Service comes before the tip... in most places I've been. But I guess all wait staff everywhere has a photographic memory and could recognize a city's worth of people from years past. Either that all wait staff everywhere share some kind of collective conscience.

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 7:30 AM. Reason : -]

5/24/2007 7:24:17 AM

Sooooooo... you get that $3 back?

5/24/2007 9:21:41 AM

That is kind of a shitty tip at a bar for as much as you spent....unless the bartendered was shitty then its ok

5/24/2007 9:27:30 AM

if you people would read a little bit before posting he already said the service was shitty and thats the reason the $7 tip

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"Oh, you'll get taken care of, but don't expect a fantastic service if you give shitty tip. "

damn, theoffice...if i have never been into a resturant before and i get a shitty server...guess what? im going to leave an even shittier tip!

does that make me a bad tipper? No....it doesnt b/c if i had gotten stellar service i would have tipped accordingly. your fucking logic is stupid

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 9:38 AM. Reason : sdf]

5/24/2007 9:37:30 AM

this thread is great

going back this afternoon to get my $3

5/24/2007 9:49:09 AM

called yesterday and the manager told me to come in today some time after 2

showed up at ~2:20 and asked for the manager. I had to explain the situation again to the bartender, but the manager came out within about 5 minutes.

apparently the manager that I talked to before wasn't there (even though he said he would be), but the manager that was there knew the story and just gave me $3 out of the register

they didn't get the charge slip, so I couldn't see if the waitress messed with the tip line or it was just a miskeyed entry, but I got what I was owed so I didn't see the need to press the issue

if I go back there you can be sure I'm going to either pay cash or watch my receipts incredibly closely

5/24/2007 3:24:09 PM

hey can you scan the backs as well? i'm gonna be rich

5/24/2007 3:26:06 PM

I spent them on grape soda and cheese doodles

5/24/2007 3:31:38 PM

i am still trying to figure out what is fantastic service, lolz. shitty service is easy to come by, but i do not know what qualifies as fantastic service. plz to enlighten.

5/24/2007 3:37:23 PM

waitress that checks the table frequently (10-15 minutes)
doesn't screw up orders
returns with the orders in a timely manner
pleasant and cheerful attitude

you can't tell the difference between good and bad service at a restaurant?

5/24/2007 3:41:24 PM

I've had some pretty pissy wait staff before, I'd be willing to bet they were mad at your tip and changed the 5 to an 8, it'd be pretty easy to do.

5/24/2007 4:35:18 PM

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"waitress that checks the table frequently (10-15 minutes)"

I would hate that. Every 10-15 minutes would be too much bothering to me. The waitress just needs to come by whenever drinks are getting low (not empty yet) or the food it not being eaten anymore. Check the table after food has been brought (atleast after 5 minutes) and then leave me alone.

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 4:39 PM. Reason : ]

5/24/2007 4:38:29 PM

it wouldn't be so much the money amount that pissed me off, but the fact that fuckers were adding things to MY credit card that I wasn't aware/had no knowledge of. Isn't that somewhat akin to credit card fraud?

5/24/2007 4:43:30 PM

excellent point

5/24/2007 4:44:37 PM

In my opinion good service is walking by atleast every 5-10 minutes without saying anything giving the people at the table to opportunity to ask for something. As you walk by check on their drinks and whatnot. Every 20 minutes or so, probably longer, walk up to the table and ask them if there is anything they need.

There are two things that annoy the piss out of me. Sitting at my table trying to get a new beer or put in another food order and the waiter(ress) in no where is the first. The other is a waiter(ress) that comes up every 5 minutes and interrupts you to ask if there is anything you need.

Don't do those two things and I'll tip 30%+ on a small bill and 20%+ on a large bill.

And if I find out you changed my credit card receipt to add more of a tip I'll be damned if I don't file a report with the police.

5/24/2007 4:47:45 PM

WOW LEGATIC YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE TOO MUCH TIME AND NOT ENOUGH MONEY ON YOUR HANDS....YOU ARE PATHETIC.....AS A BARTENDER WE JUST IGNORE WHINING BITCHES LIKE YOURSELF....I DON'T JACK UP PEOPLE'S TIPS ON PURPOSE...OF COURSE COMPUTER ERRORS HAPPEN...BUT IF I WAS WORKING AND YOU CAME IN THE NEXT DAY BITCHING LIKE THAT I MIGHT HAVE PUNCHED YOU IN THE FACE....

IF YOU WERE WONDERING ASSULT IS ILLEGAL

5/24/2007 4:48:48 PM

what a good customer service attitude! where do you work? I want to patronize your establishment!

5/24/2007 4:51:57 PM

what a suprise

spida is a dipshit bartender

shocked, i really am

fucking loser

5/24/2007 4:56:19 PM

WHY WOULD I TELL YOU WHERE I WORK??? IF I DID YOU WOULD PROBABLY GO RUN TO MY MANAGER AND BITCH TO THEM BECAUSE I WAS RUDE TO YOU ON THE INTERNET......LUCKILY I DON'T WORK VERY MUCH AT THEY BAR ANYMORE BECAUSE I AM SICK AND TIRED OF PRICKS LIKE YOURSELF

5/24/2007 4:57:52 PM

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"Gotta love the self fulfilled prophecies in the tip giving department as well. Wait staff thinks to self "They aren't going to tip well, so I'm not going to give decent service." Customers leave lousy tip that reflects service given. Wait staff says to self "HA! See... I knew it!""

Thats not what I was saying. I said if the table is known to be bad tippers. When I used to wait tables, you would get fantastic service the first time I waited on you, if you tipped me bad, then I usually would remember you, and the next time you came in, you got what you wanted, but I would not go out of my way to take care of you if some of my regulars were in there that I knew tipped well. I just never assumed a table would tip bad and then give just mediocre service, I always gave them great service the first time, and as I said, if they left a bad tip, THEN, the next time they came in I took care of them as well as they tipped me before.

5/24/2007 5:01:02 PM

^I NEVER GAVE GOOD SERVICE....NOR DID I GIVE A SHIT....I WAS JUST THERE SO THE SKETCHY DRUNK LOSERS WOULD STOP HARRASING THE FEMALE BARTENDERS....

SOMEONE ASKED ME ONE TIME "WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE DRINK YOU LIKE TO MAKE"

I TOLD THEM MILLER LITE BOTTLES ARE PROBABLY THE EASIEST SO I'LL GO WITH THEM

5/24/2007 5:08:29 PM

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"SKETCHY DRUNK LOSERS "

Is that why you always bartend on me there?

5/24/2007 5:34:28 PM

i can't believe how many of you are fucking retarded.

you tip for SERVICE. you don't get served based on a tip. notice how one follows the other?

My tips range from 0-45% depending entirely on service. you suck, your tip sucks. youre great, your tip's great. see how that works?

If anyone ever added money to a CC bill, i don't care if its a dime, i'd cal lthat place up to bitch and follow it up w/ the CC company if need be. i don't see how you losers can justify blatently stealing.

5/24/2007 6:11:59 PM

i read the first page and stopped because of TheOffice's douchebaggery

One of the biggest bags of douche on TWW

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 6:17 PM. Reason : ^agreed. $7 on a $58 check isn't bad if the service, like he said, was shitty]

5/24/2007 6:17:05 PM

maybe he tipped poorly because he had poor service

5/24/2007 6:22:56 PM

next time, just call the credit card company. you'll get the entire night for free because the establishment violated the terms of the contract.

5/24/2007 6:48:16 PM

I used to wait tables, if I got stiffed I'd get pissed but that doesn't entitle me to steal. If I was super busy and only came by every 30 minutes --which is not possible if you are half way decent at your job(I would expect a shitty tip, I would not expect to get 20% just b/c I am busy and I want you to feel sorry for me)

There are plenty jobs where you get busy and can't provide quality service, waiting tables is no different. If you got left shitty tips all the time people wouldn't wait tables.

I was over charged at stool pigeons once a few years back. Even if it isn't a lot of money you should fight it if you are up to it or the server will keep on doing it.

5/24/2007 7:58:25 PM

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"I read the first page and stopped because of TheOffice's douchebaggery"

hmm... i pretty much agree with everything TheOffice has said here. and no one has ever suggested that I was a douchebag.

5/25/2007 3:54:08 AM

douchebag

[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 10:15 AM. Reason : ]

5/25/2007 10:14:44 AM

^^ well then you would be wrong because it is credit card fraud

5/25/2007 10:19:56 AM

fuck tipping, it requires good service first. People expect a tip these days without any work on their part.

5/25/2007 10:45:13 AM

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"I spent them on grape soda and cheese doodles "

I don't know why, but that just made me laugh.

5/25/2007 12:45:16 PM

i probably wouldnt have even checked my statement and noticed

5/25/2007 12:57:22 PM

me either

5/25/2007 1:11:52 PM