some xbox rag gave it a 95. But they gave halo a 96 and halo 2 a 99. Pretty safe to disregard their opinions.

8/16/2007 8:38:13 PM

^He's got a point. A few more reviews by PC publications would nice. Xbox games do seem to have a lower bar.

[Edited on August 16, 2007 at 8:45 PM. Reason : :]

8/16/2007 8:45:28 PM

^^ yep in fact, i really never read reviews for the sake of buying a game. i like reading them for the sake of reading videogames news as a hobby. i get a game if i think i will like it. bulletwitch is an example of this, and i loved that game.

8/16/2007 8:47:12 PM

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"demo was fucking awesome, and gave me a zipper busting woody."

lol...i know what you are saying, trust me. I guess I just don't want to dare to call this GOTY already...but man i'm fired up for this.

8/16/2007 8:47:17 PM

i know what you mean just wait until you see the full game just to be sure (yeah right i am sure now )

8/16/2007 8:48:40 PM

I'm not going to call it GOTY until Mass Effect comes out.

I love Bioware RPG's, so whatever the ratings, that's probably going to be my favorite game all year.

8/16/2007 8:54:42 PM

It's pretty cool, I guess. The fact that I suck at console (or well, most) FPS games takes away some of the fun of it.

Though lighting shit on fire is always a blast.

8/16/2007 10:06:47 PM

$10 off this week at all circuit city's

8/17/2007 9:46:28 AM

darn... I preordered

8/17/2007 10:05:38 AM

Yeah, I pre-ordered the LE last night from EB Games. Unfortunately, it is exclusive to them. However, if you're not getting the LE, I'd say Steam is your best bet. No tax, no standing in line, it'll already be installed, and best of all, no dealing with buggy as hell DVD security.

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 10:10 AM. Reason : :]

8/17/2007 10:09:43 AM

Haha, Sony Defense Force gave it a 5/10

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83

Who could have ever guessed they would give this game a poor review?

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"After many months of anticipation I finally got my copy of Bioshock and played through it over the past few days. There are many things to like about Bioshock such as the graphics (not animation), parts of the story and the water effects. That’s about where the good stuff ends. First let me say how excited I was for the game after playing the demo on the 360. While the animation seemed stiff and you could tell the 360 was being pushed too hard it still looked like it had a lot of potential. So imagine my disappointment when I got the final version only to find none of the animation hitches, shooting glitches and AI was cleaned up. I also wonder how much better the graphics would’ve been had they not been compressed to fit on a DVD. Now I do not fault the developers for this, they only had so much system power to work with so maybe this will all be addressed with the PS3 version when it comes out. To conclude, let this game cook in the oven just a little bit longer and wait for the superior PS3 version. Cleaned up textures, animations, AI, extra weapons, Home space, standard HDD and Blu-ray will make this flawed game into a perfect gem."

This is the most ridiculous review I have ever read in my life.

8/17/2007 12:06:37 PM

hahaha

"it's a 5 on any other console but a ps3 version would totally be a 10!!!1"

8/17/2007 12:10:12 PM

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" So imagine my disappointment when I got the final version only to find none of the animation hitches, shooting glitches and AI was cleaned up."

I never noticed any of these things.

Though I would really like to chalk the fact that I can't aim for shit up to a "shooting glitch".

8/17/2007 12:12:01 PM

Whats funny is that the thing creating the texture compression limitation is the ammount of ram, not storage. And the 360 has more video ram than the ps3.

When Carmack was talking about idtech 5 or whatever he was saying it was the #1 factor that caused their ps3 development to lag far behind pc and 360 development.

8/17/2007 12:14:28 PM

I'm pretty sure those reviews are meant to be more or less satire, and not actually taken seriously. However, to be fair, he does make a couple valid points. I watched the final version on the 360 played last night, and there were fair number of graphical hitches here and there. Not sure if they were related to loading from the DVD or what, but there it is. Not that it takes away at all from the quality of the game, but it does reaffirm my position that I'd much rather play this game on a PC (also keyboard/mouse controls and no pussy auto-aim).

8/17/2007 12:15:57 PM

I wonder if they would have bothered porting it to 360 if it wasn't as easy to do.

8/17/2007 12:18:57 PM

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"When Carmack was talking about idtech 5 or whatever he was saying it was the #1 factor that caused their ps3 development to lag far behind pc and 360 development."

Bah, I thought you were above spreading FUD like this.

The last words from Carmack himself about his new engine.

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"We have the PS3, the 360, the PC and the Mac all running at a very high frame-rate - basically all running at 60fps right now - and what's really unique is that when an artist builds an asset they don't know what they're building it for. They build the exact same model, the exact same level, and it doesn't matter what platform they're putting it on. That's a huge breakthrough. A lot of times you'd have your PS3-optimized assets, your Xbox-optimized assets, your PC-optimized assets, and at the end of the project you'd do this ugly Mac port. If not an ugly PC port. We think that the fact developers can cleanly simultaneously develop all four platforms is a huge change."

8/17/2007 12:24:36 PM

Satire or not, I love the last comment on that page about the review

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"Solid Pimp Says: August 17th, 2007 at 7:54 am Great review. I’ve only played the demo but agree it’s not so great. I’m buying the game when it’s finally released to reassure myself it’s not as good as everyone says it is."

8/17/2007 12:27:49 PM

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"Not sure if they were related to loading from the DVD or what, but there it is."

Probably has more to do with the fact that the read rate on my DVD drive is slowed.

8/17/2007 12:30:16 PM

from a carmack interview:http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200708/N07.0803.1731.12214.htm

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"There’s no doubt that with all of the platforms that we have running here PS3 is the most challenging to develop on. That’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning. It’s not that it was a boneheaded decision because they’re a lot closer the fact that they can run like this [points to the 4 different gaming stations running Rage] – they’re a lot closer than they’ve ever been before. It’s a hell of a lot better than PS2 versus Xbox. But given the choice, we’d rather develop on the Xbox 360. The PS3 still does have in theory more power that could be extracted but it’s not smart. We don’t feel it’s smart to head down that rat hole. In fact, the biggest thing we worry about right now is memory. Microsoft extracts 32 megs for their system stuff and Sony takes 96. That’s a big deal because the PS3 is already partitioned memory where the 360 is 512 megs of unified and on the PS3 is 256 of video, 256 of memory minus 96 for their system…stuff. Stuff is not the first thing that came to my mind there. (laughs) The PS3 is not the favorite platform but it’s going to run the game just as good. "

While I have no doubt that the Lord Our God, John Carmack, will draw all the power he can from whatever platform he decides, I was pointing out that texture compression is more of a problem with the ps3 than the 360 because it has less available ram. The SDF review was somehow claiming that having more storage would make the textures look better on ps3 which isn't the case.

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 12:38 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2007 12:38:19 PM

but its all moot because a single 8800 has more ram total than either system has for both video and system.

8/17/2007 12:40:18 PM

Epic has long surpassed id as the top tog in engine development anyway.

8/17/2007 12:43:20 PM

that sony defense bullshit is just a blog

lol nothing to be taken serious

i wish someone would hack his blog and delete it lol

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 1:00 PM. Reason : sdfg]

8/17/2007 12:56:52 PM

MOTORSTORM: 10/10

8/17/2007 2:03:32 PM

the SDF rating scale is the games fraction of brown.

8/17/2007 2:11:02 PM

is this 360 only?

8/17/2007 2:11:42 PM

360 and pc

8/17/2007 2:12:59 PM

^^^Did they give Gears of War a 10/10 then?

^^It's on Steam dude.

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 2:13 PM. Reason : :]

8/17/2007 2:13:13 PM

Gears got a 9.5 for some fucking reason

8/17/2007 2:17:26 PM

Gears has a short single player, and I hate that the same button does the hiding and the running.

8/17/2007 2:24:08 PM

while the covering system in gears is great, it sometimes made me jump out from cover

8/17/2007 2:28:10 PM

I need some more people to play GoW with.

Holler your gamertag - Mine is "esgargs"

8/17/2007 2:29:16 PM

i sold gears. sorry or i would play wit ya homie.

8/17/2007 2:31:40 PM

Well, holler for any other game

Currently playing - CoD3, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Test Drive Unlimited.

8/17/2007 2:32:26 PM

i got cod3 but i am a little tired of it right now. i played that game since last nov, and i got to say it was one hell of a ride my friend.

8/17/2007 2:33:33 PM

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"Did they give Gears of War a 10/10 then?"

5/10 because the xbox 360 cannot properly render the color brown due to its lack of cell processing

8/17/2007 2:35:33 PM

The dedicated brown SPU.

8/17/2007 2:44:32 PM

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"Great review. I’ve only played the demo but agree it’s not so great. I’m buying the game when it’s finally released to reassure myself it’s not as good as everyone says it is."

LOL

8/17/2007 2:47:38 PM

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"but it does reaffirm my position that I'd much rather play this game on a PC (also keyboard/mouse controls and no pussy auto-aim)."

lets get something straight - I don't care what system you play this on bro - but let us clarify for a second. There's a direct X an Y lateral movement mapping with no autoaim bullshit for this game IF you don't want it to be. Does no one go to the option menu anymore? Just turn it off. It's easily disabled. Even with it on, it's light as hell...I've tested it.

A note about differing versions worth considering: I can easily play this on the PC ....but the whole "controls trade off vs. the home theatre" (6.1 dts/ audio Dolby Digital + big HDTV) aspect of this really is uneven I think for many. Especially a title with the aural and graphics are so top notch its really shit to play it in your office chair on a pc. That can be very sterile. Hear me out. Stack that against on your couch right in front of a big Home Theatre rig (hopefully). Just my thoughts. I mean the audio efforts they clearly are trumpeting alone is enough reason, that game literally brought my house down - surround sound shit firing everywhere. Some of the most impressive audio I've ever heard in a game - and that was just a demo.

I understand the precision of the mouse/keyboard to a twitch FPS - particularly multiplayer...but Bioshock is neither of these things. It is 80% immersion and exploration, 20% combat. I think thats what I and many others feel at least. Could be wrong but we'll see. Its all about immersion so perhaps think about whats more important.

I mean if this was UT3, TF2, HL2Ep2, Quake whatever - It'd be PC like HOTCAKES. Anything competitive where immersion takes big backseat to control mechanics, cut throat arena/session , team style stuff.

In the end to each his own but lets not be trying to make 360 owners feel like they are making a 'forced' choice b/c their PC rig won't handle it. Or they get like the 'sloppy' version, because its not true. If anything PC gamers have been bitching on 2K's forum about getting a port of the 360 version. Go read the threads, it's awful - like a bunch of entitled fanboys.

Anyway - back on topic.....I have a C2D 6800 with 2.5 gig ram and an 8800. And I didnt even have to think about which version I wanted, for example. Games like this dont come around often and i'dl ike the full audio and visual production basically. And thats not even mentioning drivers, patches, installations, video errors, freeze-ups - all the bullshit. This wasn't a deciding factor but it's nice to say F-you to that.

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 3:45 PM. Reason : grammer]

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 3:46 PM. Reason : lol. GRAMMAR - I SUCK]

8/17/2007 3:37:56 PM

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"It is 80% immersion and exploration, 20% combat."

Play the final version, it's a helluva more than 20% combat. In fact, its almost reversed.

And honestly, you say all that like you can't hook up a PC to a TV and a home theater system. Sure, it's inconvenient, but it can be done, and the PC version supports the 360 controller. And I don't see how sitting 2 feet away from a 24" widescreen LCD running at 1920x1200 with a good pair of headphones or speakers (you act like you can't hook up good speakers to a PC) is any less immersing then what you described. The game will look better and sound just as good, and I won't have to fight with imprecise controls the whole time. Honestly, I love how console gamers are oooohing and ahhhhing over Bioshock, when PC gamers have been playing games of this quality for years, and now proclaiming that the experience is superior on a console. What a joke.

8/17/2007 3:50:30 PM

this morning before work i saw that the demo had downloaded for me last night...i started it up...all i saw was the plane wreck in the water at the very beginning and then i had to leave but it looks pretty damn good graphically

8/17/2007 3:50:35 PM

Shrike, I've been a PC gamer way longer than a console, or just as long. Fuck, I first fired up Conquest of Camalot, Space Quest, Zonk, Quest for Glory, SSI games, the whole lot back when VGA wasn't a standard. CVGA / EGA for the win!!!!!

And I have been ever since. I by no means feel it is objectively a superior platform. Lets get that clear. But I *personally* feel, and others do as well - that playing it on your home theatre is a great idea and a game like this with no competetive mutliplayer would be great on the 360 if you want to play it that way. Which I do. I spent alot of money on my home theatre setup b/c i love movies and games, so I wanna get that benefit.

And this isn't becuase I own stock in Microsoft dude, I have a shitload of PC games....it's just I'd prefer to play it in my living room. To me the game is still more about exploration and immersion, and thats' what the replay value will be. Not just the combat. I personally feel the game doesnt need the combat engine AT ALL to bring what attracts me to it. Some would argue its not necesssary. I understand you dont agree with that, and that's cool. I'm just glad it appeals to everyone on different ways. But if I'm buying one version I'd rather it be the one that sends my books off of their shelfs, rumbles like crazy in my hand, and in 50 inches. That's only me though.

In the end, I did say to each his/her own and I meant it.

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 4:02 PM. Reason : shazbot mcgee ]

8/17/2007 3:59:57 PM

defininitely to each his/her own

if you have a few friends over to play a game though, its certainly easier to hand them a controller and have a big screen TV to play the games on

8/17/2007 4:02:43 PM

You're not even making sense man. If all you care about is getting the best visual/aural experience possible out of the game, then that would mean hooking up your high powered PC to an HDTV and a home theater system. You get a higher resolution, DX10, better AA and texture filtering, and superior audio output than the 360 is capable of!!! On top of that, you don't have to struggle aiming with a shitty thumb stick. The 360 version is better for people who A. Don't own a good PC or B. prefer to game while lounging on a couch. If you prefer gaming on your couch over sitting in front of your PC, then great, more power to you. But stop acting the 360 is the superior version in any way, shape, or form. If you have the means, the PC blows it away.

And honestly, this started with me saying a Keyboard + mouse is a superior control scheme for an FPS than a console remote. Is there anyone on the face of the planet that doesn't agree with that?

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 4:11 PM. Reason : :]

8/17/2007 4:06:56 PM

I'm really very confused about what just happened in this thread.

There's enough combat in the game that if you're shitty at console FPS games, you'll definitely want to play it on a computer, which I believe was Shrike's whole point.

To say it's 80% immersion and 20% shooter though, is completely wrong, however.

Also, the best part of the game is that hacking machines is playing "Pipe Dream".

8/17/2007 4:11:09 PM

it doesnt blow it away, but it'll be the shizzle. couple of things you are leaving out - although I would love to hook up my high powered pc to my HDTV but

a) its hella inconvenient...i mean shit, i dont want to have to move it back and forth from my office upstairs to my living room....dedicated media box or none at all. And that clearly is expensive...i dont have multiple rigs.

b) i have a large plasma HDTV that won't pump that rez out, i dont have a 1080p or one of those huge nice LCDs. Its nice dont get me wrong..but not to that level.

c) audio wise, the 360 is hooked up via lightpipe and digital audio. Again, I dont have that capability with a PC output/sound card from my receiver, even if i did have a dedicated media box.

d) im an achievements whore. ive got like 10 friends with more and I NEED EM

8/17/2007 4:13:55 PM

stein you are a common troll. piss off.

8/17/2007 4:14:22 PM

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"stein you are a common troll. piss off."

If you could point out where I was trolling in my last post in this thread, I'd love for you to do so.

I'm giving honest impressions of the game.

[Edited on August 17, 2007 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2007 4:16:54 PM

^^^Cool, so the 360 version gives you the better experience given your setup, and the PC version gives me a better experience given mine. Did we really need several paragraphs of pointless back and forth to establish that?

BTT, this game is gonna fucking rock

8/17/2007 4:21:37 PM

really who gives a fuck, we all will have fun not matter what you play it on. this console/pc argument is whack.

8/17/2007 4:32:18 PM