I'm fairly certain his comment has more to do with the spats you get into people with are annoying as hell, than him actually thinking I am troll. Idiot.

10/11/2007 4:57:39 PM

wow what a surprise, he's still in denial

10/11/2007 5:00:59 PM

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"OH SWEET JESUS"

10/11/2007 5:01:11 PM

i like how the S.B dies off after work hours

10/11/2007 7:59:00 PM

O'Rrry is bitching about Carter right now. gg

10/11/2007 8:04:09 PM

I love JC. He's been criticized for speaking out in the past, and I defended him.

But this just seems crazy. I don't think we're ready for what he has to say on this topic, and I thought he woulda known that.

10/11/2007 9:12:51 PM

Well, at his age, can he afford to wait until we're ready? Does it even really matter? Shit, I was talking to a girl the other day who said, "we needed to go into Iraq to do something, and we did that, so its time to leave." WTF? we can't even get people to pay attention to current events, much less listen to what a former one-term president has to say about a bunch of people that many Americans (consciously or unconsciously) consider sub-human.

It just burns me up when thousands die because of the collective ignorance and apathy of millions.

10/11/2007 10:02:11 PM

^^ What do you mean? I've known that we torture our enemies for a while now. Carter saying it isn't especially shocking.

10/11/2007 10:07:53 PM

^It's a former president saying it though.

It's this dirtiness that we don't like to talk about, and the most moral president we've ever had is gonna call us out? That shit's intense.

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 10:32 PM. Reason : I think he should know better...]

^^I can see the "what does it matter?" point, but the "what does it matter?" point kinda makes it worse. I mean, if nobody is listening too hard, who is he talking to?

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 10:41 PM. Reason : The man's general health could be a concern.]

10/11/2007 10:30:03 PM

hey Chance...

i don't you're a troll. You obviously are not a troll.

TreeTwista10 is the troll here.

You, my friend, are a douchenozzle for letting Twista troll the living shit out of you.

10/11/2007 10:57:07 PM

If the collective would ignore him

and TSB would go back to place that wasn't a partisan hack fest (fueled by his ilk and the like)

then I would have no reason to entertain myself with his idiocy



I see it every day when I am at work, multiple people other than myself get engaged in retard-fest with the resident ass clown. And you know it's true.

I just take it an extra notch more, because if I am taking a break from whatever it is I am doing, then Im going to go all out to entertain myself.


This place has been Dead Man Walking for months. Might as well stick a fork in it.

10/11/2007 11:03:44 PM

I approve TreeTwista10 is a pretty big douchenozzle

10/12/2007 2:58:29 AM

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"If the collective would ignore him and TSB would go back to place that wasn't a partisan hack fest (fueled by his ilk and the like) then I would have no reason to entertain myself with his idiocy"

Do it somewhere else, there is a thread for this shit.

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"I mean, if nobody is listening too hard, who is he talking to?"

Exactly

10/12/2007 6:33:17 AM

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"hey Chance... i don't you're a troll. You obviously are not a troll"

wow are you fucking serious? you're a dumbass

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"I see it every day when I am at work"

State409c you know good and god damn well you dont have a job

10/12/2007 9:27:16 AM

Get this weak shit out of here. There is a fucking thread for this. The rest TSB spoke, and they don't like the bickering. Get a damn clue you mongoloid.

10/12/2007 9:51:10 AM

stfu alias...they dont like your bickering either you stupid troll

10/12/2007 9:53:54 AM

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"State409c you know good and god damn well you dont have a job"

WHOA! Then I want your job. Its obvious that you don't do dick because you're on TWW practically every fucking minute, spewing out idiocy.

10/12/2007 10:18:07 AM

^shouldnt you be in another thread bashing bush or something?

10/12/2007 10:27:56 AM

I don't like most of the Dems either. I'm actually a registered Republican and moderate. I just don't like Bush and his neocon following.

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 10:37 AM. Reason : :]

10/12/2007 10:36:02 AM

well i'm not registered for anything, i just choose to support whoever is our President since the only other alternative seems to be to bitch and moan for the last 6 years...I'd rather just support him than bust a vein every time I think about politics like so many other people in TSB...Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush...no exceptions

10/12/2007 10:39:04 AM

how quaint.

10/12/2007 10:46:50 AM

its either that or bitch and moan all the time

and nobody likes somebody who bitches and moans all the time

10/12/2007 10:59:43 AM

^ good lord man, shut up already

10/12/2007 11:04:21 AM

Logical, informed opposition to an administration and its policies isn't bitching and moaning.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt"

10/12/2007 11:04:24 AM

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"while most young Americans at the time "

yes, b/c everyone 18+ during that time went to 'nam...... (I agree with your point, but this bit is ridiculous)

you do know we never ratified SALT II right?


wait our constitution applies to non-us citizens? that's news to me...

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"Shit doesn't work like Jack Bauer in the real world people."

apparently its a wide spread misconception that 'torture' is highly ineffective.... hell even on npr they had a guy say that it was effective...

last time i heard we weren't cutting peoples heads off on camera....

chance, you are a troll, watching you try to defend yourself from that label is rather hilarious though, do continue.

last time i checked carter doesn't exactly have the inside track to info about interrogation techniques
I could be wrong tho.


anyone for getting back remotely on topic?

10/12/2007 11:04:37 AM

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"Logical, informed opposition to an administration and its policies isn't bitching and moaning"

of course not...i'm more talking about stuff that retards like joe_schmoe do...where they just blindly hate anybody who isnt in their political party...just pointless bitching and moaning...but he can feel free to stress yourself out over dumb shit he has no control over

and as far as the topic, i dont think this is anything new...george washington hung people without trials...some people act like until Dubya was elected, the US never did anything bad to anyone

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 11:07 AM. Reason : .]

10/12/2007 11:06:34 AM

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"apparently its a wide spread misconception that 'torture' is highly ineffective"

I'm not sure where you picked that up. If you heard the same "Fresh Air" program that I heard, they didn't say that once. Physical Torture isn't completely ineffective, but it is far less reliable, not to mention morally questionable, than other interrogation techniques.

This doesn't mean it has no place whatsoever, but widespread torture is not only wrong, but essentially pointless.

10/12/2007 11:30:44 AM

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"george washington hung people without trials...some people act like until Dubya was elected, the US never did anything bad to anyone"

because the presidency of GWB in the 21st century where the USA is a global economic and military superpower is completely analagous to the presidency of Geo. Washington in the 18th century when America was a fledgling nation, fresh out of a bloody revolution, and unable to survive any military attack from our previous rulers without significant help from Prussia and France.


god DAMN you suck at this.

10/12/2007 2:03:47 PM

no analogies needed

the point was its nothing unique to W no matter how much you hate him

you suck at attempting to be slightly non biased you partisan bitch

10/12/2007 3:44:26 PM

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"not only is Carter an ex-President of the US (duly elected, unlike his predecessor), he is also a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, a highly effective and accomplished philanthropist, an internationally-renowned author, a WWII combat veteran, a nuclear engineer, and the architect of the most successful peace treaty ever seen in the Mideast before or since... you, on the other hand, are a semi-literate kneejerk partisan hack. now what you got, bitch? nothing. that's what."

joe_shithead

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"I think this won the thread."

SkankinMonky

Two misguided amoebae--the start of a left-wing circle jerk. GG.

BTW, Carter is 83 years old and has been saying a lot of kooky things in recent years:

Carter Off The Rails – Again
by Gordon Cucullu

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"In a stunning interview given by former President Jimmy Carter to Der Speigel magazine the world was once again exposed to the embarrassing spectacle of a man who once led the free world reduced to disjointed, illogical, bitter rambling. If there are such critters as historical psychiatrists I would leave it to them to analyze and dissect the anger that seems to posses the man. Meanwhile, we have to deal with the fact that once he put down his Habitat for Humanity hammer and began to yap about world affairs he has been a train wreck. It is almost as if he has internalized his failed policies enacted while president and morphed them into a philosophy of life, a credo by which he defines all behavior and pronouncements. At root his ideology seems bizarre: an anti-democratic, anti-American advocacy for any individual tyrant or repressive movement regardless of brutality. North Korean dictators, Iranian theocrats, thuggish autocrats like Castro and Chavez, and blood thirsty terrorists – Carter seems to love them all. This from a man who in 1976, as an avowed liberal, ran on a platform of America supporting human rights for the world. That, again, is an issue for skilled analysts to address, but perhaps as P.J. O’Rouke notes, 'it takes a serious therapy to be a liberal.' At root, it seems, may be a lack of moral courage. While at times Carter seemed to assume great moral courage – when he told the Delta Force commander that he alone was responsible for any failure of the Eagle Claw mission to free American hostages in Iran, for example. But he never seemed to have faith in the goodness of America and the American experience. As a consequence his self-anointed status as arbiter of the morally correct was severely undermined by his own lack of personal confidence and confidence in his country. When America began to unravel economically he spoke of a 'malaise' that seeped into our national consciousness, in fact blaming the American people first. His constant use of moral equivalence was indicative of his worldview. Carter spared no pains to find an American fault when discussing our enemies. When the Soviet Union’s gulag was revealed, Carter’s UN Ambassador Andrew Young said while traveling abroad in Africa that 'America has political prisoners too.' Carter backed his ambassador’s egregious statements. Most revealing of his moral flabbiness was that whenever he promoted his vaunted 'human rights for all the world' campaign he picked his targets cynically. Walking on eggs around the world’s most egregious human rights violators, the Soviet Union and the Peoples Republic of China, Carter instead focused on flawed allies of America who were 'our SOBs' in the Cold War vernacular. With cold, deliberate actions he destabilized Iran under the Shah and Nicaragua under Somoza. He came dangerously close to knocking Park Chung Hee in South Korea which would have provoked a second Korean War. In no case did he make any attempt to replace an authoritarian leader with democratic institutions, but rather cut the incumbent leadership off at the knees and tossed the remains to whatever revolutionary sharks swam in the water. As a consequence we saw a quick rise of a radical Islamic mullocracy in Iran and a communist-led takeover by the Ortega brothers in Nicaragua. The damage he did with a 'break but don’t fix' policy was sufficiently severe that we are fighting the results today in the resurgent communism of Central and South America, and most tellingly in the war against Islamofascism which gained a huge amount of credibility by defeating Carter during the Iranian hostage crisis. Refusing to accept any personal responsibility for the war that now extends into the 21st century, Carter has instead inexplicably placed himself on the side of defending the horrid rogue regimes that sponsor or carry out terrorism throughout the world. He spares no criticism for America, Israel, or the UK all of whom are fighting the enemy that his irresponsibility helped create. In fact, Carter refuses to even acknowledge the presence of a fight. He continues to rationalize away any evil done by America’s enemies (and in fact, adamantly rejects use the word 'evil' unless, possibly, when applied to George Bush), and minimizes any good that America does, particularly through force of arms. Most unsettling, in his Der Speigel interview was the feckless moral equivalency with which he addressed problems. Never would he even acknowledge that America was in a war, rather that all our present troubles are a result of the Bush administration 'just refusing to talk to someone who is in strong disagreement with them.' This he oddly attributes to Bush’s 'fundamentalism' which Carter speculates means that he 'can’t bring himself…to negotiate…because the process itself is an indication of implied equality.' In other words, he rejects any of the months of overtures made directly to Saddam Hussein, through the UN, or by involved third parties. As David Limbaugh pointed out, 'leave it to [Carter] to believe the worst about "fundamentalist" Christians and the best of Islamofascist terrorists.' Perhaps it is part of Carter’s mindset that, as he told the Speigel interviewer, 'I think that most people believe that enough time has passed that historical facts can be ignored.' Ignoring facts is his strongest characteristic. Whenever the interviewer tossed him a softball to hit, Carter used the opportunity to bash America. Referring to the 'coalition of the pious' the Speigel interviewer unctuously asker Carter about the 'moral catastrophes like the Iraqi prison scandal in Abu Ghraib and torture in Guantanamo.' Quite unsettling was that Carter never challenged this bald lie. Instead he launched into a rambling attack on the president as a 'fundamentalist' and then justified his comments by equating the Bush administration through implication with the Islamofascist terrorists worldwide. Carter is in a position to review classified information on a range of topics, receive briefings, and participate in official and unofficial visits if he chooses. Instead he prefers a calculated stance of feigned ignorance. He could have had access to the Peers and the Schlesinger reports on Abu Ghraib, both of which were critical of leadership at the prison. They found that bad behavior is intolerable and must be punished but does not equate to torture or reflect national policy. Furthermore, both commented positively on the highly effective, humane treatment meted out at Guantanamo. Nor has Carter bothered to visit Guantanamo to see for himself, preferring to sit within his ideological comfort zone and shoot barbs at a president who he seems to want to fail along with American foreign policy. 'Unfortunately after September 11 there was an outburst in America of intense suffering and patriotism,' Carter pontificated. Unfortunately there was patriotism? Perhaps we ought to have engaged in more of Carter’s patented blame-America-first policies capped by ineffectual negotiations with the killers? Carter would seem to agree. 'You never can be certain in advance that negations on difficult circumstances will be successful.' [emphasis added] But that ought not deter us from talking with our killers because 'if you don’t negotiate … your problem is going to continue and maybe even get worse.' Gee, what pain we could have saved if we’d just negotiated with Hirohito after Pearl Harbor. I’ll just bet things would have improved immediately. Carter takes pains to identify himself with mainstream America, at least with the Democrat Party. 'I think I represent the vast majority of Democrats in this country,' he says with vintage Carter modesty. We assume that he means America, though the interview was held in Germany. Maybe not. His attitude and moral stance has more in common with soft-on-terror European-appeasers-in-denial than it does with Americans who are cognizant of the stakes of this fight. Those who share his attitude may not be interested in war with the Islamofascist terrorists. But the terrorists are definitely interested in war with them. Tellingly, Carter gets angry not at attacks on America but on a perceived implication that his failed presidency was, well, failed. Reacting to a Speigel comment that his 'performance was often criticized,' Carter angrily reacted. 'I had four years in the White House – it was not a failure. For someone to serve as president of the United States you can’t say it is a political failure.' On the contrary we can, and have, and will continue to recognize failure and call it by its proper name as long as Jimmy Carter represents the interests of the enemies of the United States more than those of the country that once mistakenly chose him as its leader."

http://www.californiarepublic.org/archives/Columns/Cucullu/20060919CuculluCarter.html

Abso-fucking-lutely.

10/13/2007 1:52:54 AM

i'll be the first to admit that jimmy carter isn't perfect; he had his share of problems while in office--but i have more respect for him than any other president that's been alive in my lifetime

10/14/2007 12:59:05 AM

^x4

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"now what you got, bitch? nothing. that's what."

10/15/2007 12:22:21 AM

OMFG BILL GOT A BLOWJOB IT's the end of the world the collapse of the economy and disappearance of morals is eminent.

10/15/2007 12:29:28 AM

^ WTF?! Do you even know what is being discussed here? This thread is about Jimmy Carter.

10/15/2007 12:59:42 AM

i wish all the middle eastern countries would sign a deal like egypt and later jordan...that would be the shit

i wish they gave us all their oil or we could just take it...that would be the shit too

10/15/2007 1:06:13 AM

^ Wishes he could fly, too.

10/15/2007 1:33:15 AM

Maybe if I blindly bash drunknloaded, people will like me!

10/15/2007 1:52:07 AM

my side is right!

no, my side is right!

no, your side is wrong

NO, YOUR SIDE IS WRONG.


RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE



y'all act like carter's not just another politician helping out his party in an upcoming election or anything.

10/15/2007 2:10:45 AM

yeah this next one is pretty important imo

first time in a while incumbant pres or vice pres is not running for reelection or something

10/15/2007 2:28:10 AM

^^^ No, lush, he posted something about me in another thread that I didn't like. [sarcasm]And I'm obviously trying to get people to like me here[/sarcasm]. Isn't it about time for your evening bottle?



Happy now?

10/15/2007 3:04:39 AM

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"why must you be such an angry young man .... "

10/15/2007 4:05:10 AM

^ Time for you to catch the ferry, joe_shithead. I mean, according to you, it's safe, right?

10/15/2007 5:06:15 AM

i dont know. why don't you ask Duke. he takes it probably 10x more than I do, since he lives out on one of the islands.












dumbass





[Edited on October 15, 2007 at 11:00 AM. Reason : ]

10/15/2007 11:00:00 AM

^ BOOM!

10/15/2007 1:12:47 PM

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"I am sure that if the CIA tied you down to a chair, used pliers to rip your fingernails out, dunked you in water repeatedly for 5 hours pulling you up each time just before you pass out from oxygen deprivation, good ole fashioned roughing up with a baseball bat, then put you in a 120 degree hotbox in isolation with barely enough room to stand, we could get you to admit to raping little boys for the last 5 years. "

Congratulation, you posted the definition of not working.

10/15/2007 1:17:26 PM