well.. you gotta take these things into account.

If it was a normal Carolina student, would it have been this big a deal? Would Carolina players have worn a patch on their jerseys for a regular student?

So, yes, I stand by my comment. Go back to Chit Chat troll.

3/9/2008 11:56:39 AM

^^ I think most people would be just as empathetic about Hansbrough as they are about Carson.

They just wouldn't lie about it.

^ I'm not trolling. You are the one who stated that she deserved more empathy because she is 'gorgeous'--implying that ugly people aren't as deserving of pity when tragedy befalls them. Sounds pretty shallow to me.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2008 11:57:29 AM

Seriously, people are shot every day, this one just happened to be a promising pretty white girl.

3/9/2008 12:06:32 PM

that was the student body president of unc

3/9/2008 12:10:14 PM

would you say that to your dad if he called you and told you that your mom was murdered?

3/9/2008 12:11:38 PM

I assume you're addressing me? No, but that is partly the point I'm making. It is a tragedy to someone every time.

^^ I covered that in the "promising" part.


I don't mean to denigrate her life or memory at all, but there is justification in those who are angry that people are killed in the ghetto every day, who could be quite promising, but no one notices. It takes a pretty, rich, white girl getting killed in a rich white town to make national news.

Hopefully, if this is gang related, that comes to light and we address the underlying problem of gangs across the US instead of just in our safe suburban neighborhoods.

3/9/2008 12:16:29 PM

i bet the media would cover any student body president getting murdered

3/9/2008 12:18:38 PM

So, do you think it would be one of the top stories on CNN if the St. Aug student body president got murdered? How about NC A&T, or Howard, or any other traditionally black college?


The only way that would get this kind of coverage is if they had been murdered in a rural county by a group of white men.

3/9/2008 12:25:27 PM

At least the suspect is not a dude wearing croakies, and a pink polo shirt with a popped collar, they'd never be able to find him in Chapel Hill.

3/9/2008 1:21:41 PM

^hey man, that's a funny joke! Have you ever thought of doing standup or some sort of comedy writing with your unique comedic style?

3/9/2008 2:13:33 PM

aha <3

3/9/2008 2:14:17 PM

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"So, do you think it would be one of the top stories on CNN if the St. Aug student body president got murdered? How about NC A&T, or Howard, or any other traditionally black college? The only way that would get this kind of coverage is if they had been murdered in a rural county by a group of white men."

well they are probably gonna be the ones doing the shooting, only being shot in the return fire

so nope, no one would care

3/9/2008 3:22:05 PM

I agree with A Tanzarian.

To be honest, I really don't care. I recognize that murder is wrong, hope the guy gets caught, etc, etc, but if I don't have time to care about every single murder victim I'm not going to make time to care about this one.

3/9/2008 3:43:14 PM

i am interested in it from a forensics standpoint

3/9/2008 3:54:55 PM

JCASHFAN is about as racist as terpball... shame.

3/9/2008 4:00:01 PM

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"^^ Umm... what black responsibility? Are you saying all black people are somehow responsible for this murder? "

well all white americans are responsible for slavery right?

but no thats not what I meant, I was just pointing out that sharpton/jackson would largely only actually comment when they can blame white people for some travesty

but then again folks shouldn't be ignorant to the large problem the african american population has with crime right now, it's sad when so many folks could predict the perpetrators of these events(what a coincedence the auburn girl was killed by some black thug too!)

3/9/2008 4:03:40 PM

people will only care if they are involved.

the students at UNC care because it as their president.

i care only because i work in chapel hill and this means i have to watch myself if i go out at nights over there.

if jackleg died, im sure a lot of us would care. but someone at UNC probably wouldnt.

3/9/2008 4:16:16 PM

holy shit, jackleg died?

3/9/2008 4:27:36 PM

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"JCASHFAN is about as racist as terpball... shame."

wait. what? you want to explain yourself?

I'm pointing out the racial component in news media. I'm not suggesting that this death is any less tragic because she was white, but I am saying is that there are thousands of deaths which are equally as tragic to those involved, but that don't get coverage because they're in areas that the white audience of the major media outlets would prefer to believe didn't exist.

How is that racist?

3/9/2008 4:37:22 PM

^ well you are emphasizing the racial part a little too much, a large part of the media coverage is just how unexpected this was, an important girl at a major university in a very crime free area whereas the places you are suggesting this is much more common place

plus I'm sorry but some girl that is the leader of her student population, community activist/ future doctor has more of a future/hence more tragic than some drug dealer in the ghetto

3/9/2008 4:42:37 PM

this whole thing should have nothing to do with race. honestly it pisses me off that anybody even cares that the girl was white, or whatever color. look at who she was, not what she looked like.

3/9/2008 4:46:59 PM

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"plus I'm sorry but some girl that is the leader of her student population, community activist/ future doctor has more of a future/hence more tragic than some drug dealer in the ghetto"

Your statement reveals precisely the problem that I'm trying to illuminate. Not everyone killed in the ghetto is a drug dealer. If nothing else, working with who I've worked with since I graduated college has taught me that there are thousands of young minds being wasted in the ghetto by a system that offers them very little hope. People aren't born thinking they want to be some corner drug peddler, there is an environment that makes that seem ideal. We're not facing up to that.


But, ok, I'll raise you one. I still don't think that this would get as much coverage if it had been a pretty black girl who was college president of her university. I can't prove that, but I've got a pretty good hunch and I'm certain that you can't prove the opposite.

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"look at who she was, not what she looked like."

who was she then? What led her to having the opportunities that she had to go to UNC?


I'm not sure how asking these questions is racist. Simply making people on a college message board uncomfortable about their own assumptions doesn't mean I hate white people.

3/9/2008 5:13:54 PM

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"holy shit, jackleg died?"

3/9/2008 5:34:14 PM

nm

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 5:38 PM. Reason : jnm]

3/9/2008 5:37:47 PM

jnm is the initials for my name

3/9/2008 5:45:26 PM

[quoteI wonder if they did a tox screen. I wonder if she was going out for pot.[/quote]

of course they did, why would they not do a toxicology?

as for all the people bitching that its just a white girl whats the big deal... get a grip, call your momma, someone loves you.

3/9/2008 5:54:23 PM

It has nothing to do with being white.

It has to do with the implication that Carson's life is somehow worth more than others.

3/9/2008 5:57:56 PM

she can't help it how much you read into the tv news. i feel bad for her friends and family, but i never thought anything negative due to the fact that it got coverage. that's just senseless

3/9/2008 6:49:50 PM

HAY GUYZ I AM ON THE INTERNETS COMBATING EMOTION WITH LOGIC LOL

3/9/2008 7:24:17 PM

white people make up the majority of the population....therefore chances are that if the media decides to cover a murder, its gonna be a white person.....

i distinctly remember a few years ago having a discussion in the soapbox where we tried to figure out why black people are more likely to commit violent crimes than whites (going by the US Justice Departments data on crimes commited in the US).......why dont yall take the conversation back to the box and leave this thread alone.

this is an absolute tragedy....

3/9/2008 7:35:18 PM

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"who was she then? What led her to having the opportunities that she had to go to UNC?"

http://www.unc.edu/eve/bio.html

so what exactly do you want JCASHFAN? i'd hope that they'd cover a black girl as much as a white girl being murdered. i don't have a problem with her race. why do you? i call you a racist because that seems to be your biggest problem.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 8:26 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2008 8:25:01 PM

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"well all white americans are responsible for slavery right?"

Not all, but a very large amount benefited and still do benefit from it.

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"but no thats not what I meant, I was just pointing out that sharpton/jackson would largely only actually comment when they can blame white people for some travesty"

This makes no sense at all. Are you saying you'd feel better if sharpton/jackson commented on this? Do you want to hear their comments on every issue in the news media? Should someone be commenting on this on the basis of race, in your mind?

This murderer does not represent black people, except in the mind of a racist.

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"but then again folks shouldn't be ignorant to the large problem the african american population has with crime right now, it's sad when so many folks could predict the perpetrators of these events(what a coincedence the auburn girl was killed by some black thug too!)"

Blacks commit crimes at a disproportionate rate, but people "predicting" it in this case is an absurd metric of this. It could easily have been anyone in this case. There was nothing about this that screamed "black person." BTW, whites commit sex crimes at a disproportionate rate to their population, but I don't see people specially nothing how sad it is that you can depend on white people to be pedophiles.

3/9/2008 8:31:06 PM

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"so what exactly do you want JCASHFAN? i'd hope that they'd cover a black girl as much as a white girl being murdered. i don't have a problem with her race. why do you? i call you a racist because that seems to be your biggest problem."

I don't have a problem with her race. If you read what I actually said, I have never once said anything bad about Eve Carson. At all.

I have said absolutely nothing that has suggested that one race is superior to another. I thought that was the definition of a racist? However, correct me if I'm wrong and the true definition is pointing out incongruities in the media coverage of murders. You'd have to read mighty hard into my comments here or elsewhere to paint me as a self-loathing white man.

3/9/2008 9:07:49 PM

they think another man is in the back in the pics

3/9/2008 10:02:50 PM

yeah i just saw that shit too...wral

3/9/2008 10:04:12 PM

shadow behind perps seat

3/9/2008 10:05:01 PM

Is it just me, or does the very right side of the picture (middle portion of the back window area) look like some weird scary face with huge teeth? Could just be some weird reflection



[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 10:31 PM. Reason : clear]

3/9/2008 10:19:51 PM

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"baonest All American 42892 Posts user info edit post y0, there is someone in the back seat. 3/8/2008 4:48:56 PM"

3/9/2008 10:20:06 PM

looks like she has a decal of some sort on her back right window

3/9/2008 10:25:27 PM

3/9/2008 10:39:13 PM

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"So, do you think it would be one of the top stories on CNN if the St. Aug student body president got murdered? How about NC A&T, or Howard, or any other traditionally black college?"

How about a NC Central student/stripper getting raped by some rich white kids? Nah, that would never get attention from the national media!

3/9/2008 11:17:51 PM

I covered that in the VERY next sentence:

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"The only way that would get this kind of coverage is if they had been murdered in a rural county by a group of white men."

The racial component is surely there in the Duke LAX case, but this was big before we even knew if the suspect was black or not. I stand by my initial assertion.

3/9/2008 11:22:26 PM

if a black girl, who was student body president and had the same deal as eve was murdered.

it would have the same media coverage, PLUS they would think it was a hate crime.

a black guy murders a white girl. oh its just random.

a black girl gets murdered by white guy, oooh hate crime.

3/9/2008 11:30:15 PM

nah

several white guys

then it's a hate crime

3/9/2008 11:38:16 PM

i find it extremely odd that 2 random hot white bitches that go to college get murdered by african americans like the same day....thats some hella crazy odds

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : college]

3/9/2008 11:46:12 PM

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"Not all, but a very large amount benefited and still do benefit from it."

so you really think a labor system of some southern states and colonies that lasted two hundred years as of 150 years ago has a substantial effect on the standard of living of white people today? boy why don't you extrapolate some more please!

slaves essentially tended and harvested crops and the only ones that really benefited substantially were the large plantation owners who were a very small population of the elite, not to mention the north of the country that was properous from its own development or the 150 years of capitalism and trade since then, yea you're making a really clear point here...

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" This makes no sense at all. Are you saying you'd feel better if sharpton/jackson commented on this? Do you want to hear their comments on every issue in the news media? Should someone be commenting on this on the basis of race, in your mind? This murderer does not represent black people, except in the mind of a racist. "

nah I was mainly expressing my frustration at the level of supposedly positive impact these charlatans can enjoy when they only focus on the victimization of their race by whites without gaining any near the level of fame for addressing the own problems by blacks themselves

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"Blacks commit crimes at a disproportionate rate, but people "predicting" it in this case is an absurd metric of this. It could easily have been anyone in this case. There was nothing about this that screamed "black person." BTW, whites commit sex crimes at a disproportionate rate to their population, but I don't see people specially nothing how sad it is that you can depend on white people to be pedophiles. "

well in some statistical case murder does scream black person as I just read some study the other day that a black man is something like six more times likely to commit a murder, the color of crime book states seven times, but yea I doubt much of that is in towns like chapel hill but I guess a large percentage of my hunch was the fact that I assumed it to be a random act/robbery/assault of some way so I expected a stranger rather than some acquaintance

[Edited on March 10, 2008 at 12:34 AM. Reason : k]

3/10/2008 12:18:41 AM

that was a whole mess of stupid

3/10/2008 12:29:41 AM

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"so you really think a labor system of some southern states and colonies that lasted two hundred years as of 150 years ago has a substantial effect on the standard of living of white people today? boy why don't you extrapolate some more please! "

It wouldn't even take extrapolation, considering there's direct evidence that shows you're wrong. But this is not the thread for that.

3/10/2008 1:48:47 AM

my only problems with all this:

the only problem i have with this coverage is that they just spent the first 7 minutes of the news talking about it. and now they're talking about the crime here in greensboro that happened over the weekend.

board of trustees jumping to offer so much money for information. i can't remember them doing that when other people have died... i realize she was one of their own, and had a "vote" because she was a SBP at a member school.

i think this is a bigger issue than the news focusing on her so much "because she's a pretty white girl" -- because the news is the news and they are private. and ive always been under the impression that the board of trustees is funded by taxes and tuition increases

but i'm not gonna be a douchebag and take that out on the girl, because no one deserves to get shot like that. even if she was down there killing kittens and smoking crack. i think you have to keep that in mind when discussing the aspects that affect those of us who didn't know her. its still pretty sad (just like it would be if it was anyones daughter, regardless of color)

3/10/2008 6:15:47 AM

are we sure that the board of trustees are using public funds for the 25K and not part of their personal fortunes?

[Edited on March 10, 2008 at 7:23 AM. Reason : -]

3/10/2008 7:21:50 AM