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"i bet it wasnt a fiasco like this"

please tell me you're kidding

[Edited on April 9, 2008 at 7:30 PM. Reason : ,]

4/9/2008 7:30:22 PM

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"damosyangsta: lol, they're diong it for the safety of the tibetan protesters. there's about 20,000 pro-chinese demonstrators in SF right now, ready to beat the shit out of anyone who grabs the torch. "

lol, 20000 pro-chinese.

sure, you betcha, "Yang". Can I call you Yang?

more like 2000 cops in riot gear. shades of WTO '99

4/9/2008 7:32:32 PM

They held the ceremony for the torch at the airport, away from the public


one of the torchbearers pulled out a small tibetan flag and chinese authorities grabbed the torch from her and pulled her out

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080409/ap_on_re_us/olympic_torch

4/9/2008 7:46:14 PM

awesome

4/9/2008 7:49:55 PM

COME ON FUCKERS

CHANT

THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/09/house.olympics/index.html

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"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a resolution Wednesday calling on China to end its crackdown on Tibet and release Tibetans imprisoned for "nonviolent" demonstrations."

[Edited on April 9, 2008 at 8:13 PM. Reason : ...]

4/9/2008 8:08:37 PM

what's funny is if the olympics were picked to be in the US this year we would probably have a bunch of people in other countries protesting and bitching also given the whole Iraq debacle.

4/10/2008 12:48:19 PM

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""WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a resolution Wednesday calling on China to end its crackdown on Tibet and release Tibetans imprisoned for "nonviolent" demonstrations." ... The vote was 413-1. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who has not dropped out of the presidential race, was the lone congressman voting against it."

woot woot! Ron Paul in da mofuckin hizzouse.




[Edited on April 10, 2008 at 12:58 PM. Reason : ]

4/10/2008 12:56:02 PM

Fuck Ron Paul. He votes against everything and then wants a cookie for it.

4/10/2008 1:20:12 PM

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"My friend's brother was murdered in tianamen square, so yea, I say fuck the chinese government"

no he wasn't, he was breaking the law and got punished accordingly.

4/10/2008 1:30:08 PM

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"the judge is just desperate for a cause to follow.... unfortunately for him, he picked the stupidest one."

did you intentionally write that?

4/10/2008 1:46:37 PM

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"no he wasn't, he was breaking the law and got punished accordingly."

laws that deprive people of their natural rights are not just laws and therefore should be broken with all due haste.

4/10/2008 1:49:00 PM

^ HELL YES

*TEARS UP FISHING LICENSE*

4/10/2008 1:55:54 PM

^^yes, that is every rebels motto. However, it doesn't change the fact that they're breaking laws. You and I may not agree with them...but its still law.

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"did you intentionally write that?"

uh yes, i did. What moron would boycott the Olympics? You're only boycotting your own damn athletes. Everyone participating in this boycott would have had no effect on China if they watched the Olympics or not. Not one of you would have actually gone to China to watch the Olympics even if they were another one of America's little pet-projects on freedom...

[Edited on April 10, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : ...]

4/10/2008 2:51:11 PM

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"^^yes, that is every rebels motto. However, it doesn't change the fact that they're breaking laws. You and I may not agree with them...but its still law."

weeps for you.

4/10/2008 2:54:32 PM

my mistake. I guess they aren't breaking the law.

4/10/2008 3:00:52 PM

4/10/2008 3:20:03 PM

nothing like opening fire on unarmed college students

4/10/2008 3:27:41 PM

are we talking about Virginia Tech here or protesters in clear violation of a nation's laws?

[Edited on April 10, 2008 at 3:40 PM. Reason : ']

4/10/2008 3:40:26 PM

4/10/2008 3:45:12 PM

^^^ Kent State?

America only got over its unarmed college student-killing binge a few decades ago itself.

4/11/2008 12:56:42 AM

Are you saying you support communist china?

4/11/2008 1:00:08 AM

I don't support shooting unarmed college students. Anywhere.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 1:04 AM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 1:03:56 AM

Well then I suppose you can condemn the current communist regime in China

4/11/2008 1:11:30 AM

What'd they do?

I hear they loaned us lots of money. That was pretty nice of them.

4/11/2008 1:22:25 AM

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"yes, that is every rebels motto. However, it doesn't change the fact that they're breaking laws. You and I may not agree with them...but its still law. "

There is a fairly widely held school of thought that holds that natural rights are just that, and trump any law that might restrict them. Of course, nobody would expect the powers that be regarding those laws to sit idly by and do the right thing (especially in China)--if they had any intention of doing so, they wouldn't have made laws restricting natural rights in the first place.

This is not to be confused with civil rights that you and I may hold dear, but are not natural rights. In these cases, you are correct in that just because we don't agree, there is no reason for us to take sides with the rebel. In the case of violations of natural rights, I do believe that siding with the "rebel" is the right thing to do.


Also, it's interesting to see nutsmackr of all people invoke the natural right argument--usually this is a way of thinking more along the lines of libertarians and constitutionalists--quite opposed to his ideologies.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:25 AM. Reason : asdfads]

4/11/2008 2:23:46 AM

^all i said was that they were breaking chinese law and in the same sentence I said 'you and i don't agree with them...' meaning...i'm not saying China's laws are right but they are their laws. When you're a guest in someone else's house you obey their rules, like it or not.

We shouldn't protest the Olympics, just the US athletes for their unjust war in Iraq.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 8:26 AM. Reason : (because the athletes are directly tied to US policy making...) [sarcasm]]

4/11/2008 8:25:31 AM

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"Also, it's interesting to see nutsmackr of all people invoke the natural right argument--usually this is a way of thinking more along the lines of libertarians and constitutionalists--quite opposed to his ideologies."

Not at all.

4/11/2008 12:06:12 PM

This is not unlike Hitler's olympics


I hope our boys go over there and give these commies a right good beating at their own olympics, and I hope at least one athlete displays the character and integrity and love of freedom that are such American values and shows solidarity with those suffering in tibet with some gesture, be it pulling out a tibetan flag like one of the torch carriers in san francisco did, or any kind of statement against communism

4/11/2008 12:11:49 PM

^if you pay the trip I'll go <33

4/11/2008 12:13:08 PM

Just like a commie pig to not want to earn their own way

4/11/2008 12:16:33 PM

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"We need to organize a boycott of the olympics I will not watch the olympics, or purchase any product that is an official sponsor of the olympics"

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"This is not unlike Hitler's olympics I hope our boys go over there and give these commies a right good beating at their own olympics, and I hope at least one athlete displays the character and integrity and love of freedom that are such American values and shows solidarity with those suffering in tibet with some gesture, be it pulling out a tibetan flag like one of the torch carriers in san francisco did, or any kind of statement against communism"

When did your position change?

4/11/2008 12:18:24 PM

I'VE GOT TICKETS TO SEE THE DALAI LAMA ON SATURDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4/11/2008 2:15:32 PM

Well, this is good news. The Judge will realize that there are parts in his computer made in China, and he'll stop posting.

4/11/2008 2:59:59 PM

When will these terrorist Tibetans get whats coming to them? We should protest them instead.

4/11/2008 3:03:49 PM

At one point, I thought it best for President Bush to consider not attending the opening ceremonies of the Olympics--I never thought a complete boycott should happen or was even an option. But after hearing Bush speak about how he could do more with engagement and after hearing some others speak about it and after giving it more thought, I think that Bush should attend.

I do think Bush should use the opportunity of his visit to make clear to the Chinese--repeatedly if necessary--that the human rights' situation there needs much improvement. I now believe such a move will do more to help the oppressed in China than the leader of the free world simply delaying his arrival.

4/11/2008 3:04:10 PM

I wholeheartedly disagree and believe Bush should completely boycott the olympics to show the Chinese that the United States is serious about human rights relations. This Jimmy Carteresque diplomacy will only encourage the Chinese in thinking that the US is an appeasing power.

4/11/2008 3:22:06 PM

dude, even if george bush come over and troll the shit out of president Hu and other officials who attend him, it's no help. the top officials of china can't do much at all. the chinese people are oppressing themselves - not by an emperor or someone like saddam for iraq. I hope you can understand what I mean here.

4/11/2008 3:22:17 PM

The only thing the chinese understand is for their blood to be spilled at this point

4/11/2008 3:23:30 PM

I agree that we need to declare an 'intifadeh', to use the brownie term, of our own against the chinese.

4/11/2008 3:25:06 PM

lets find yet another place to stick the long nose of 'freedom' because obviously this administration hasn't had enough. As successful as their current freedom campaigns have been.

Maybe we should hold a world election to determine if everyone else wants the US to dictate how a country should be run.

4/11/2008 3:25:28 PM

Look.

I really badly want to jump in with this. But really.

We have a human rights problem in our own country.

China's got skeletons in its closet here (and on the street). But we can't exactly claim a Jimmy Carteresque moral imperative to justify an outright national boycott when we're simultaneously building a many-miles long wall along our southern border and operating Gitmo.



It does not make sense.

We ought to go.

We ought to let citizens do their demonstrations.

But we've got our own problems to work out before calling China out so bad as a matter of international policy. They can always just hold up a mirror and shout "paper tiger" all day. And more likely, deny the knowledge that we've not attended to "send a message" to their citizens.

"President Bush has signaled he will not attend due to sudden onset of the flu..."

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM. Reason : why not?]

4/11/2008 3:29:34 PM

The chewbacca defense doesn't apply here because the Tibet issue is a trump card.

Besides, we clearly don't invade other nations, annex them, and then export american's to decrease the local population to minority status.

4/11/2008 3:33:08 PM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=522101

4/11/2008 3:33:32 PM

^^ So our problem then is that we don't invade nations that are nearby?

I mean, we don't need to. We already own the hemisphere by national policy.

4/11/2008 3:37:36 PM

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"The chewbacca defense doesn't apply here because the Tibet issue is a trump card. Besides, we clearly don't invade other nations, annex them, and then export american's to decrease the local population to minority status. "

China did not invade Tibet. Tibet has been a part of china for the past 14 centuries. The Tibetan Government in Exile recognizes the fact they are are part of China and do not want to be "free." They just want autonomy.

4/11/2008 3:38:47 PM

That's not important.

What's important is that China recognizes human rights and they don't

And in that case I think we should 'pressure' them to do so.

4/11/2008 3:42:42 PM

I am far more concerned with china's blind eye on Darfur than I am with Tibet.

4/11/2008 3:43:09 PM

by pressure he means we need to begin taking action to eventually get ever last one of those maoist dogs on the gallows

4/11/2008 3:43:29 PM

youre a troll.

i would say a bad one, but you have a lot of people here fooled.

4/11/2008 6:04:39 PM

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"China did not invade Tibet"

yeah yeah ... of course.

the Peoples' Liberation Army liberated Tibet when it invaded in 1950-1951.

Tibet had never been a part of China before then.

4/11/2008 6:18:32 PM