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"wlb420 you strike me as a drug using athiest, who prefers to deal softly with terrorist organizations like hamas"

you would be wrong...kind of a theme for you, huh?

4/11/2008 4:10:27 PM

Do you use drugs?

Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

4/11/2008 4:11:12 PM

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"Let's make no bones about it, Hamas is a terrible entity"

4/11/2008 4:11:48 PM

^^let me be clear on this first....by your estimate if you're not a christian, you're automatically an athiest?

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 4:12:40 PM

someone's a left wing moonbat that likes to toke the reefer

4/11/2008 4:13:23 PM

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"that's not a very christian [sic] way to act."

wlb420

I'm not a Christian--GG. And would you mind spewing your stereotypes on someone else--and your equivocation?

4/11/2008 4:13:27 PM

Wow, a guy who likes to use stereotypes is now bitching about being stereotyped.

4/11/2008 4:14:21 PM

^ Evidence please or STFU.

4/11/2008 4:15:58 PM

awww, the trollers don't like to be trolled.

4/11/2008 4:16:16 PM

i bet you like to smoke dope with him nutsmacker and have little flag burning parties

4/11/2008 4:16:31 PM

The fact that you used the neologism "islamo-fascist" in this thread is evidence enough. What other terms do you like to throw around, "foamie," "moonbat," etc.

^I don't use drugs, but nice try.

I also find it cute that you complain constantly about ad hominems, but in this very thread, you called me "nutsuckr."

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 4:17:16 PM

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"i bet you like to smoke dope with him nutsmacker and have little flag burning parties"

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"you would be wrong...kind of a theme for you, huh?"

have fun fellas.

4/11/2008 4:19:44 PM

^^ So you deny being a foaming moonbat and sucking nuts?

4/11/2008 4:24:28 PM

Run off, hippie

4/11/2008 4:24:48 PM

Stop derailing this thread please.

4/11/2008 4:28:05 PM

wow the judge is just shitting on all you faggot hippies hahahahaha

4/11/2008 4:34:57 PM

^^^^Do you still have sex with your mom?

4/11/2008 4:41:28 PM

^ What a fucking shithead.

4/11/2008 7:11:58 PM

my realpolitik is better than yours

4/11/2008 7:56:00 PM

Fuck you Carter.

I never liked you.

4/12/2008 12:45:46 AM

Man, this 'thejudge' guy is one of the most ridiculous posters i've seen in soap box in a while. It's like if you crossed rush limbaugh's fat rolls with karl rove's hairy sack and stamped an elephant print on it, but added dashes of intolerance, irrelevant non-secular religious right, fear mongering, and over-zealous patriotism McCarthyism into this fucked up horrible tasting pie.

it's like he picked up everything he learned from his grumbled to hell father and the rest of fat rush's AM dial.

4/12/2008 1:56:26 AM

The Judge makes a very good point.

The only way we can defend freedom is by crushing the life out of the opposition.

Jimmy Carter, on the other hand, thinks love and roses is the solution to all our terror problems.

4/12/2008 2:54:53 AM

Jimmy Carter is a national embarrassment, and is trying to stay relevant after his failed presidency.

4/12/2008 1:45:30 PM

^ dead on

4/12/2008 2:06:19 PM

lol "national embarrassment"

4/12/2008 2:36:17 PM

http://rightwingswag.com/rws.cgi?i=282991476/rightwingstuff.178966855

4/12/2008 2:45:28 PM

Carter also took a little stop in Israel along the way... And in retaliation to his willingness to meet with their enemies, they declined to assist in his security:

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"Another source described the snub as an "unprecedented" breach between the Israeli Shin Bet and the U.S. Secret Service, which protects all current and former U.S. presidents, as well as Israeli leaders when they visit the United States."

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"Carter included the southern Israeli town of Sderot on his itinerary. The area is often hit by rockets from the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip and one of the sources described the lack of Shin Bet assistance there as particularly "problematic"."

Even if you disagree with what Carter is doing in visiting Palestine... does that really make this kind of spitefulness on the international scale Okay? He doesn't represent America today, but he is a former president like it or not. I'm not saying they're required to do him the courtesy, but anybody ever heard of the High Road?

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1464259420080414?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true

4/14/2008 8:55:25 AM

^ Not that I'm a big Carter fan, but you'd think the Israelis would extend him this minor courtesy at very least. He did after all, only helped facilitate a peace accord between Israel and former enemy Egypt. That alone should have earned him at very least a security detail despite what he's said since then.

4/14/2008 10:28:37 AM

^Agreed. Seems to me the proper way to deal with the situation would be to continue assisting with security as they always have... and make some kind of strong worded statement against his willingness to meet with Hamas.

4/14/2008 10:34:25 AM

lol. the democrats are pissed at carter.

go meet with osama while your out there ole carter boy!!

4/14/2008 10:36:12 AM

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"Its so fun to try and talk about how the United States is evil or something. Go live in a country that doesnt give you as many rights"

What if U.S. foreign policy denies rights to people in other countries? Is it okay to talk about that?

4/14/2008 9:51:56 PM

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" "Since Syria and Hamas will have to be involved in a final peace agreement, they have to be involved in discussions that lead to final peace," Carter said Tuesday."

That's just crazy talk.

4/15/2008 1:58:59 PM

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"[Carter] is on the verge of endorsing, presumably, Barack Obama. The Obama campaign was asked what do you think about this trip to Hamas, and, at first, the staff put out a statement saying that Obama disagreed with this. Then Obama was asked by a reporter what do you think about it, and he said I'm not going to criticize Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is free to do what he wants to do. And then the boom started to be lowered by the Jewish community in the United States, and they went back to the first statement that he doesn't accept it."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351346,00.html

Ha-ha! Look at Obama's flip-flop on Carter's Hamas meeting.

4/15/2008 6:38:40 PM

how is that a flip flop?

4/15/2008 6:40:34 PM

yeah thats not really a flip flop...sounds like he was saying that he didnt agree with it but carter could do whatever he wanted...sounds more like fox news is trying to make it sound more like a flip flop than it actually is...i mean really...lets talk some issues...the repubs dont want to cause they know they are out of touch with a majority of america

4/15/2008 6:58:12 PM

^^ and ^ Well, let's see:

1. Obama's staff issued a statement saying he disagreed with Carter's Hamas visit.

2. Then, Obama himself said Carter is free to do what he wants.

3. Then, the Jewish community got involved and Obama flip-flopped and said he doesn't accept Carter's trip.

Get it?

4. In addition, Carter is a somewhat influential superdelegate, so Obama doesn't want to piss him off.

5. For the record, I don't give a flying fuck what either of you think of Fox News--I use it as a source when (Surprise!) I can't get the info anywhere else. I just get sick of some of you screeching like scalded cats whenever you see Fox News--oh, the horror!

BTW, can you dispute any of the facts that Fox News reported? No? Didn't think so.

6. The Republicans are out of touch? Really? I think you mean the Ivy League elitist Obama is out of touch with mainstream America.

In any event, McCain--you know, the supposedly out-of-touch guy--is still leading the national polls against Obama and Hillary. And McCain's favorability numbers are higher:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Tuesday, April 15, 2008

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"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows John McCain leading Barack Obama, 47% to 43% [note from hooksaw: This is within the margin of error]. The presumptive Republican nominee also leads Hillary Clinton 48% to 41%. Daily tracking results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time. Overall, among all voters nationwide, McCain is viewed favorably by 53% and unfavorably by 45%. Obama’s ratings are 49% favorable and 49% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 43% favorable, 54% unfavorable."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

So I guess you're free to suck eggs.

[Edited on April 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2008 11:42:26 PM

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"3. Then, the Jewish community got involved and Obama flip-flopped and said he doesn't accept Carter's trip."

u could at least try to read my post

4/16/2008 2:27:31 AM

Hooksaw's parsing sounds a lot like Hillary's reject-denounce bullshit.

4/16/2008 10:41:56 AM

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"1. Obama's staff issued a statement saying he disagreed with Carter's Hamas visit. 2. Then, Obama himself said Carter is free to do what he wants. 3. Then, the Jewish community got involved and Obama flip-flopped and said he doesn't accept Carter's trip. Get it? "

I get it - you, being a TOOL of Fox news, is trying to convince us of something that isn't true by using "arguments" riddled with logical fallacies that even a 6-year-olf could see through. You're an idiot.

4/16/2008 4:43:21 PM

so if anybody here actually is 'glad' or 'happy' to see him visiting with hamas recognize yourself

also.. i'd also like to ask you all another question.. would you also be 'glad' if he visited with osama bin laden or the al qaeda in iraq leaders or the current shitte or sunni militia leaders?

interesting viewpoints if so. i'd just like to know why. it's like having a meeting with fidel castro when he's launching rockets and suicide bombers daily into florida right?

4/16/2008 8:55:33 PM

^^ The real tool is Carter. And this is abundantly clear to any rational person--you know, meaning not you.

And if the following ain't a flip-flop by Obama, I don't know what is:

Obama's previous position on Carter's Hamas visit:

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"[Former President Carter is] a private citizen. And it's not my place to discuss who he shouldn't meet with [emphasis added]. I know that I've said consistently that I would not meet with Hamas given that it's terrorist organization, it is not a state. And until Hamas clearly recognizes Israel, renounces terrorism, and abides by or believes that the Palestinians should abide by previous agreements that have been entered into, I don't think conversations with them would be prudent [emphasis added]."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DwD_NhgR1OI

Obama criticizes ex-President Carter's Hamas meeting

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"'That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas' [emphasis added], Obama said. 'We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction. We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements.' 'Hamas is not a state. Hamas is a terrorist organization,' he said. Obama's opponents have criticized him for saying as president he would be willing to meet with foreign leaders who are hostile to the Unites States. Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain have called those comments naive and said such meetings would bestow credibility on those leaders."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4665989

Oh, and here's a little extra of Obama pandering to Jewish leaders:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4666704

BTW, evidently, Obama also rejects the anti-Israel statements made by Reverend Wrong:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24162940#24162940

And while we're discussing him, Reverend Wrong just happens to be moving into a rather large new home in an area that I understnad has less than a two-percent black population--so much for black values, am I right?

Church financing luxurious retirement townhouse for Obama's former pastor

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"TINLEY PARK, Ill. (AP) - Church officials have defended a decision by Barack Obama's church to buy a retirement townhouse for its controversial departing pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. The SouthtownStar reports Wright's 10,000-square-foot home in a southern Chicago suburb will cost around $1 million. It'll feature an elevator, a bar, a rubberized exercise room and room for a future theater."

http://www.wthitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8088653

And there are these facts, which I'm sure you and the other fucking moonbats will ignore:

House Chair Condemns Carter, Hamas Talks

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"WASHINGTON (AP) — The new chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Monday criticized fellow Democrat Jimmy Carter for plans to meet with Hamas, saying the former president holds 'warped' views on the Middle East. By meeting with the militant Islamic group that controls Gaza and does not recognize Israel's right to exist, Carter 'in effect is undermining a current policy which is not just American but held by many others,' Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., said in an interview with The Associated Press. The Bush administration also has criticized Carter's plans to meet in Syria this week with the leader of Hamas, and the plans have angered Israel. There's been less public criticism from other Democrats."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iihUfGqvvx-3JR2f5A_1zmdK0cmgD901TQVO0

Knollenberg Introduces Legislation to Prohibit Federal Funding of the Carter Center

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"Congressman Joe Knollenberg (MI-09) today introduced legislation that would prevent the federal government from giving taxpayer money to the Carter Center, headed by former President Jimmy Carter. 'America must speak with one voice against our terrorist enemies,' Knollenberg said. 'It sends a fundamentally troubling message when an American dignitary is engaged in dialogue with terrorists. My legislation will make sure that taxpayer dollars are not being used to support discussions or negotiations with terrorist groups.'"

http://www.knollenberg.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=88797

And last but not least:

Hamas says Carter visit a boost to militants' legitimacy

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"CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — Hamas officials said Wednesday that Jimmy Carter's meetings with leaders of the Palestinian militant group will boost its legitimacy despite criticism by Israel and the U.S. government of the former president's personal peace mission. Carter arrived in Egypt from Israel and the Palestinian territories, where he raised Israeli anger Tuesday by embracing a Hamas official in the West Bank."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jemWR1dnH-ATQzPTG3EZpMf6uSogD9035KS80

You stupid motherfuckers are at odds with your own presidential candidate(s) and party. As usual, Democrats can't hit their asses with both hands.

[Edited on April 17, 2008 at 8:24 AM. Reason : .]

4/17/2008 8:11:40 AM

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"also.. i'd also like to ask you all another question.. would you also be 'glad' if he visited with osama bin laden or the al qaeda in iraq leaders or the current shitte or sunni militia leaders? "

You mean meeting with and retaining close ties to shiite militias, like the US backed Iraqi gov. does?

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" A resumption of fighting by his militia could kill more U.S. soldiers and threaten _ at least in the short run _ the security gains Washington has hailed as a sign that Iraq is on the road to recovery. The confrontation will also test the skill and resolve of Iraq's Shiite-led government in dealing with Shiite militias, with whom the national leadership had maintained close ties."

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Mar25/0,4670,Iraq,00.html

what I would really like is for the US army to have a little meeting with Bin Laden....you know, like the original battle cry was, which was promptly forgotten and has led to a resurgence of the taliban?

^You're totally right, decades of warfare have done wonders to secure the Isralis and increase their quality of life



[Edited on April 17, 2008 at 10:00 AM. Reason : .]

4/17/2008 9:59:24 AM

^ Do you support Obama for president? Yes or no.

4/17/2008 10:08:52 AM

Undecided. I'm waiting in part for head to head McCain/Dem debates.

I am probably going to vote for him in the primary tho.

4/17/2008 10:17:31 AM

I fail to see how Obama saying that "[Former President Carter is] a private citizen. And it's not my place to discuss who he shouldn't meet with " and at the same time saying he disagrees with meeting with the group is contradicting itself.


"You can meet whoever you want, and I won't tell you that you can't, yet it doesn't mean I don't have disagreements with your choices."

4/17/2008 10:20:07 AM

^its b/c of blind party loyalty....Dems can do no right.

4/17/2008 10:25:39 AM

it's probably b/c rev wright is part of hamas and told him to say that. i mean.. would that honestly suprise anybody if we found out that it were true?? amirite? or amirite??

4/17/2008 10:48:00 AM

^ No, but Reverend Wrong did travel with Louis Farrakhan to meet with Libya's Muammar Gaddafi.

^^^ I fail to see how you fail to see.

[Edited on April 17, 2008 at 12:07 PM. Reason : .]

4/17/2008 12:06:18 PM

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"I fail to see how you fail to see."

oh wow thats so clever


(see kids, anyone can post like hooksaw. just make sure to use lots of and act like a bitter old man)


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.6Q16jadkxk&refer=home

4/17/2008 4:26:25 PM

^ First, I'm just tired of people starting with "I fail to see" this or that. It's fucking pretentious bullshit.

Second, I'm not bitter about anything, you fucking nutriding elitist. Go vote for Obama with that shit.

Just for you. . .

4/17/2008 4:52:50 PM