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5/8/2008 4:40:31 PM

well, i agree that i am staunchly opposed to wasting MY time with pot, and yes, i do have a condescending attitude towards those that feel they need it in their lives

but i'd still vote to legalize, if it ever came to that...hell, i'd rather see pot legal and cigarettes made illegal (at least the ones chock full of carcinogens...if people want to roll their own, by all means)

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2008 4:41:45 PM

^^^^^^^Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that either. I just don't think he can make a lot of assumptions about what it does to people when he hasn't tried it himself.

^^^^^^The magic number is 47 times. No seriously, it's till you got a clear perspective, and you clearly don't. You assume all pot-smokers are the same, but you just haven't seen how all react to it.

I think Symeguy or someone said it, but you were probably interacting with someone who you know pretty well when they were high and didn't even notice it.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 4:41:56 PM

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"Quote : "you said you drink alcohol...but did you know what it was like to drink alcohol before you yourself actually drank it?" of course not...but one beer or one glass of wine does not impair my ability to form coherent thoughts and make rational decisions, while in order for me to "understand" what it's like to be high, i'd have to give up something i'm not willing to give up...it's the same reason i don't get drunk"

Don't really care if you ever try it or not because I respect your decision to do whatever the fuck you want, but just like you can have just one drink and not be drunk, you can have small amounts of pot and not be high.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 4:42:58 PM

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"The magic number is 47 times. No seriously, it's till you got a clear perspective, and you clearly don't."

aha, my judgments are not acceptable because you disagree, and yet you have the notion in your head that you are fit to judge what a "clear perspective" is? how is your opinion on my life any less baseless than my opinion on yours? hypocrite

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"you can have small amounts of pot and not be high."

then what's the point of smoking it if it does nothing for you? and besides, i'm not saying pot is evil...i'm just saying it's pointless...at least alcohol in moderation is GOOD for you

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2008 4:44:14 PM

so, some people NEED mountain biking, they NEED to go to the gym, the NEED dharma and greg to come back to ABC, they NEED to post on the wolfweb, (ok, just recievedeath and dnl).



AND SOME PEOPLE THINK CUCUMBERS TASTE BETTER PICKLED.




^and i'm leaving my job with an open invitation to come back whenever i want to, and have been offered reccomendation letters by nearly everyone, and i owe it to drugs

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : word]

5/8/2008 4:46:04 PM

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"hell, i'd rather see pot legal and cigarettes made illegal "

I'm with you on that, though I'm biased because I just quit cigarettes a few months ago.

5/8/2008 4:46:34 PM

Maybe I can't say what a clear perspective is, but I can say what's it not. Assuming all pot smokers are useless is clearly not a clear perspective.

5/8/2008 4:47:20 PM

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"one beer or one glass of wine does not impair my ability to form coherent thoughts and make rational decisions"

neither does smoking the one beer or one glass of wine equivalent amount of weed

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"then what's the point of smoking it if it does nothing for you?"

THEN WHY DO YOU DRINK

5/8/2008 4:48:51 PM

The argument is not, and never should be, "why shouldn't something be illegal." It should always be why should it be illegal. In other words, the default state for all things should be legal. You must make a good argument for why it should be illegal to do something. There are good, convincing reasons that you should not be able to kill someone, the benefits of making murder illegal far outweigh the cons. Same with rape, same with robbery, etc.

However, in the case of Marijuana, and really most drugs, the detriments of making it illegal far outweigh any perceived benefits. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if you set up a debate (a real one, not the kind of hack political exchanges that go on in legislatures across this country) it would be almost impossible for the side in favor of making pot illegal to win because there just isn't enough evidence to prove that is detrimental to society.

5/8/2008 4:51:20 PM

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"Legalising"

really? are we British?

5/8/2008 4:58:07 PM

I think it would reduce corrupt police practices. A lot of cops stop hippie-looking types for a bullshit reason, thinking they have pot, so they can have some fun pushing them around, then take their stash and use it themselves or sell it.

I've never used pot myself but I completely support adults' rights to use it recreationally, as long as they don't endanger anyone else while under its influence.

5/8/2008 5:10:48 PM

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"A lot of cops stop hippie-looking types for a bullshit reason, thinking they have pot, so they can have some fun pushing them around, then take their stash and use it themselves or sell it."

lolololololololol

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 5:11 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2008 5:11:26 PM

thats how raleighboy gets his weed that he smokes...he pulls over hippie looking people with his fake cop car crown vic and steals their shit

5/8/2008 5:17:44 PM

I completely support adults' rights to use it recreationally, as long as they don't endanger anyone else while under its influence.

5/8/2008 5:22:05 PM

this thread is funny because there are select people trying to talk about weed but they have no idea what theyre talking about

itd be like me trying to post in the garage or tech talk

5/8/2008 6:02:13 PM

5/8/2008 6:35:27 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/frank.marijuana/index.html

7/30/2008 1:06:49 PM

i'm surprised there haven't been more comments on this....

from cnn article...

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" (CNN) -- The U.S. should stop arresting responsible marijuana users, Rep. Barney Frank said Wednesday, announcing a proposal to end federal penalties for Americans carrying fewer than 100 grams, almost a quarter-pound, of the substance. Rep. Barney Frank's bill would radically curb federal penalties for personal marijuana use. Current laws targeting marijuana users place undue burdens on law enforcement resources, punish ill Americans whose doctors have prescribed the substance and unfairly affect African-Americans, said Frank, flanked by legislators and representatives from advocacy groups. "The vast amount of human activity ought to be none of the government's business," Frank said during a Capitol Hill news conference. "I don't think it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time.""

7/30/2008 1:26:20 PM

i SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hope this passes.........like they said its just a phony war on drugs, u got homeless mofos running around all cracked out and the gov knows there cracked out, but do they arrest the NO..a homeless mofo needs to be arrested to get 3 hots and a cot and get off that rock, but they dont care b/c crack kills, keeps the pop down, and kills minorities. they arrest the sellers though...but weed they arrest users and sellers b/c weed doesnt kill so they just fill u the jails w/ miniorities.....and are like "yeah look what we did"....effin idiots

7/30/2008 2:23:53 PM

i guess i didn't get too excited about it because

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"House Resolution 5843, titled the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008, would allow "a very small number of individuals" suffering from chronic pain or illness to smoke marijuana with impunity. "

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"If HR 5843 were passed by the House, marijuana smokers could possess up to 100 grams -- about 3½ ounces -- of cannabis without being arrested. It would also permit the "nonprofit transfer" of up to an ounce of marijuana. The resolution would not affect laws forbidding growing, importing or exporting marijuana, or selling it for profit. The resolution also would not affect any state laws regarding marijuana use. "

7/30/2008 2:26:17 PM

whats wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it....

7/30/2008 2:29:45 PM

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"well, i agree that i am staunchly opposed to wasting MY time with pot, and yes, i do have a condescending attitude towards those that feel they need it in their lives "

says the guy who has 3 TWW screen names

what the difference between wasting your time on Pot and wasting your time on TWW?

7/30/2008 2:53:23 PM

^^ who is to say what is wrong

7/30/2008 3:35:37 PM

THERE SHOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS A VICTIMLESS CRIME!

7/30/2008 3:37:33 PM

This is relevant to my interests

7/30/2008 3:40:32 PM

ah, i was about to post that link (saw the interview with Frank on CNN while i was at lunch)

here's hoping it goes through

7/30/2008 4:40:59 PM

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"i wish they'd legalize it and tax the ever living fuck out of it. "

i've said this for years

7/30/2008 4:42:53 PM

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"The resolution also would not affect any state laws regarding marijuana use. "

Most importantly those states which have made attempts at decriminalization would not have the federal government leaning over their shoulders, and among those states is NC, despite conservative tendencies. The full list 'decriminalized' states is shown below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map-of-US-state-cannabis-decriminalization-laws2.svg

[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2008 5:00:56 PM

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"whats wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it...."

what makes it wrong but alcohol ok?

7/30/2008 5:07:58 PM

alcohol is so much worse than pot, anyone who thinks otherwise is completely delusional.

the 2 main problems that i see from pot are lack of constant supply (for some people) and lack of funds to buy their medication (also, for some people). thats the only "bad" thing about it. people can already "waste their life" with 40s, why not joints?

but if they allowed it to be grown legally, the black market price hike would be gone, it would be going for 20 bucks an ounce, and they could impose a 500% tax on it and make mad money. not to mention if they pursued it as a prescribed medication for anxiety or stress or whatever...

it would be (to my knowledge) the first thing that ever carried such a high tax to cost ratio, and no one would care, because it would be so much cheaper anyway

and i have no bias, i don't smoke it. i just don't get why the government won't legalize and tax it. its a slap on the wrist to get caught possessing it, you'd have to get something like 4 convictions before even 30 days in jail was even considered. and most responsible people never get caught more than once or maybe twice in a lifetime anyway. so, they already turn their back to it... i just dont get it.

from a purely financial standpoint, it really could rescue the economy AND pay off the national debt in no time


fucking alcohol lobbyists and drunk congressmen

7/30/2008 5:16:32 PM

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"from a purely financial standpoint, it really could rescue the economy AND pay off the national debt in no time"

Come on. While I agree lets go ahead and legalize and tax it, you're GROSSLY overstating the number of pot users out there.

7/30/2008 5:46:29 PM

yeah im sure i'm overestimating it when i say NO time

half a trillion is a lot of money (i THINK thats what i heard the debt was on the news this morning), but i also think you're grossly underestimating how much the stuff costs on the black market compared to other "crops" sold legally. even expensive ass tobacco is only 3-4 bucks for 20 cigarettes. you could sell a pack of good joints for 50 bucks and have 40 go to taxes.

there's no doubt in my mind that over some amount of time, it would pay the debt off. there are enough pot smokers out there (and enough pure tax income per sale) to offset any current borrowing and start eating away at that debt

7/30/2008 5:50:28 PM

are you really that ignorant?

[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 5:51 PM. Reason : ^^]

7/30/2008 5:51:31 PM

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"you could sell a pack of good joints for 50 bucks and have 40 go to taxes. "

Ok, I'm not very well versed in econ, but if pot were legalized, the cost of it would be driven down to cigarette levels in no time as it is just a regular old crop. Maybe I am wrong and there is more to it than that, please educate me.

Perhaps you'd get some organic and boutique grown stuff that would sell for much more, but I doubt your average pot smoker is going to pony up for the good shit all the time (just like your average social drinker is just fine with the bud light).

7/30/2008 5:59:58 PM

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"alcohol is so much worse than pot, anyone who thinks otherwise is completely delusional."

and anyone who uses this argument is either ignorant or a complete dumbass

neither alcohol nor marijuana, by themselves, are "bad"...i can "prove" that both do damage to a person's body and that both are beneficial from a health standpoint

perhaps you meant to say one of these, instead (in which case, my apologies for misinterpreting your statement):

1.) "overuse of alcohol is much worse for your body than overuse of marijuana"
2.) "irresponsible people who drink alcohol are much worse than irresponsible people who smoke pot"

the only one of those statements that is valid is the first one, since the overuse of alcohol can kill you, while there really isn't a way to overuse pot...but an irresponsible person who uses a judgment-impairing substance is dangerous no matter which substance they choose to use (just like you can smoke pot and drink alcohol responsibly and in moderation)...and please don't pull the "there have been more alcohol-related deaths/accidents than marijuana-related deaths/accidents" because that's completely invalid, considering that one of the substances is legal and readily available, while the other is (at the moment) illegal and less readily available

7/30/2008 6:00:11 PM

I think it should be legalized and not taxed heavily. I don't agree with this whole idea of "it's legally acceptable but we should punish people for using it with an embedded fine." You're trading one punishment for another, and it would be better than how it is now, but still wrong. And as people have said, it's no worse than alcohol.

As for the people saying you need to try it to understand it, that's pretty much correct. You probably have an idea of what being high is like, but actually being there yourself may or may not change your perspective. As much as you (people against it) would like to judge marijuana users a whole, I guarantee some of the people you hang out with often or enjoy being around have smoked sometime in the past. Not everyone that smokes is a loser, to believe otherwise is ignorant.

7/30/2008 6:02:46 PM

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"Ok, I'm not very well versed in econ, but if pot were legalized, the cost of it would be driven down to cigarette levels in no time as it is just a regular old crop. Maybe I am wrong and there is more to it than that, please educate me."

we've already established that the price could and would go down.. the point is people would be willing to pay high prices-thus, the difference would be 100% tax money.

7/30/2008 6:03:41 PM

weed is Americas biggest cash crop.

7/30/2008 6:03:58 PM

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"I think it should be legalized and not taxed heavily. I don't agree with this whole idea of "it's legally acceptable but we should punish people for using it with an embedded fine." You're trading one punishment for another, and it would be better than how it is now, but still wrong. And as people have said, it's no worse than alcohol."

really? a pothead who thinks pot should be cheap and easily available? no wai!

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"As for the people saying you need to try it to understand it, that's pretty much correct. You probably have an idea of what being high is like, but actually being there yourself may or may not change your perspective."

but do i have to try heroin or coke to understand that, too? or rape? or perhaps i should put my hand on a hot burner to REALLY understand what it's like to be burned? don't pull this bullshit...while i agree 100% that you have to actually TRY something to TRULY understand it, there are those of us who CHOOSE to get pleasure out of other things than mind-altering substances...you can peg me as a hater or whatever (realize that i'm favor of legalization, though), but i don't HAVE to try weed to know that it has no actual appeal...just because YOU use it to have a good time doesn't mean everyone has to

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"Not everyone that smokes is a loser, to believe otherwise is ignorant."

not everyone who looks at child pornography is a "loser," either, since that term is completely and 100% subjective...again, you are guilty of the similar mistake of judgement - some people might judge all potheads the same, and some of us may just judge its very use as pointless (*raises hand*)...i don't think you're a BAD person, but i do think that it's not something i want to waste my time on...stop judging some people just because they don't agree with your personal choices

7/30/2008 6:11:03 PM

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"really? a pothead who thinks pot should be cheap and easily available? no wai!"

I'm not a pothead. I thought it should be "cheap and easily available" long before I ever tried it.

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"but do i have to try heroin or coke to understand that, too? or rape? or perhaps i should put my hand on a hot burner to REALLY understand what it's like to be burned? don't pull this bullshit...while i agree 100% that you have to actually TRY something to TRULY understand it, there are those of us who CHOOSE to get pleasure out of other things than mind-altering substances...you can peg me as a hater or whatever (realize that i'm favor of legalization, though), but i don't HAVE to try weed to know that it has no actual appeal...just because YOU use it to have a good time doesn't mean everyone has to "

Actually, yes, you probably would have to try heroin or coke to understand them. I never have, and I have no intention to, because I've seen firsthand what those drugs do to people, and how their lives have been damaged as a result. I never saw the same type of thing from marijuana users. If you don't want to use it, then don't - it's simple as that. Just know that your opinion of marijuana users being "less productive," or whatever other generalizations you may have up your sleeve, are going to be perceived as ignorant.

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"not everyone who looks at child pornography is a "loser," either, since that term is completely and 100% subjective...again, you are guilty of the similar mistake of judgement - some people might judge all potheads the same, and some of us may just judge its very use as pointless (*raises hand*)...i don't think you're a BAD person, but i do think that it's not something i want to waste my time on...stop judging some people just because they don't agree with your personal choices"

You said something like marijuana users were not worth hanging out with. Maybe you don't think they're losers, but you do seem pretty judgmental.

7/30/2008 6:23:59 PM

yea those are pretty rash comparisons

7/30/2008 10:39:51 PM

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"weed is Americas biggest cash crop."

That the gov doesn't get to tax.

How much do you think the alcohol and cigarette industry pay to keep any kind of legalization effort suppressed? I wonder...

7/30/2008 10:50:07 PM

starting to appear, huh?

like its just now apparent?

7/30/2008 10:53:00 PM

Quinn, you're the only poster that's made sense. Trolenuts and i think it was fagmire are idiots for the sake of being douchebags.

[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 11:18 PM. Reason : since, cents, sense.]

7/30/2008 11:18:22 PM

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"Current laws targeting marijuana users place undue burdens on law enforcement resources, punish ill Americans whose doctors have prescribed the substance and unfairly affect African-Americans"

*carl face and that's racist gif*

7/30/2008 11:24:05 PM

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"yes, i drink alcohol, but no, i've never been drunk "

fail

7/30/2008 11:29:28 PM

any advancements?

10/13/2008 2:42:34 PM