It's people like Boone that would vote for obama

even if obama stood up and pissed in his cereal and was laughing. he'd probably celebrate it and ask for higher taxes on cereal.

i just don't get how people can take things so much out of context to try and disprove obvious flaws in his campaign and say they have nothing to do with him.

6/5/2008 5:02:02 PM

I'm ready for a debate where they are on the same stage where Obama can't hide behind the press. His whole campaign is about how McCain will be another Bush term, when anybody who has a mind and can think logically knows that McCain is nothing like Bush at all.

6/5/2008 5:03:05 PM

twister is kidding.

Its funny but i thought that the majority of people who attend KKK rallies hate minorities. But its very possible that they like the preacher, but disagree with some of the message. Until one says something racist.. its just guilt by association. Even though the action of attending such a group kinda expresses those views.

6/5/2008 5:04:34 PM

^^and that's exactly what he's been tucking his tail behind so far. i wish he'd come out and say, "my fellow americans, yes i'm going to drastically raise your taxes for these causes i wish to implement as well as not provide any real fix for gas prices besides biodiesels"

[Edited on June 5, 2008 at 5:05 PM. Reason : ^^]

6/5/2008 5:05:07 PM

Quote :

"Yeah, but do any of your pastor's views downright offend you?"

that was my point...i dont actually even go to church...but i could never see myself going to the same church or the same anything for 20 years if i shared zero common thoughts with the person in charge...it makes absolutely zero sense at all...unless of course you're bending over backwards to defend obama

6/5/2008 5:07:16 PM

but obama doesnt go there anymore treetwister. so you can't say that anymore.

knowing someones past isnt important these days as ppl have proven in this thread

6/5/2008 5:14:11 PM

Show me one shred of evidence that he shares these views with Wright, beyond the fact that he associated with him.

One would think he would actually act on all these horrible beliefs.

6/5/2008 5:58:52 PM

i'm probably gonna be peer pressured into voting for mccain cause i'm white

6/5/2008 6:02:04 PM

I'd vote for Barry if it was clear that McCain was not going to nominate morally reasonable judges. This has the side benefit of a moderate losing the campaign and helping the republicans give us conservatives the respect we'll never get in a party built by McCain.

Sure it would be 4 years of absolute garbage, high taxes, new social programs we'll never get rid of etc... but we never would have gotten Reagan without the Carter. The danger is that I see no Reagan on the horizon, all the current rep. hopefuls are in some way sell-outs to this or that form of big government solutions. I don't see anybody whole-heartedly championing self-reliance.

And McCain is to busy cutting down Bush to take time to talk about what is good about America. McCain should just quit the campaign and start a sunday morning show. That's where he belongs.

6/5/2008 6:09:06 PM

^how bout 4 years of obama and then 8 of hagel?

6/5/2008 6:12:03 PM

Hillary is already planning her 2012 campaign against McCain's VP. Hillary is ridiculously power hungry and will play her cards right. She was so close to the presidency she could taste it.


No way in hell she is letting obama win

6/5/2008 6:59:22 PM

dont put anything past a Clinton

6/5/2008 7:00:54 PM

Quote :

"Yet somehow she's done much more with her life than you will ever do. Feel great that you're such a hate-filled piece of flesh that won't ever achieve anything, Rat."

Pretty pathetic. If you want to talk about people doing so much with their lives, she should mention how substandard black students like herself are accepted into Princeton over deserving white students. The funny thing is that most people in America would assume that she is highly intelligent since she has a degree from Princeton. But the average high school student in my honors classes could write a superior paper than that. It really was something that you'd expect from an above average middle school student or an average high school student.

6/5/2008 7:02:47 PM

This has clips of McCain's recent speech that he planned for weeks as a counterpoint to Obama's victory speech over Hillary during the primaries. With quality speeches like this Obama is going to have trouble courting McCain voters.


"McCain Leaves Fox Speechless"

6/5/2008 7:05:44 PM

^ That's really odd. I did not realize that the pundits hated it so much (I was at work when he gave it and missed all the coverage, had to watch it on YouTube). And I didn't think it was bad at all. The content of McCain's speech is actually exactly what I've been wanting to hear from him for a while.

Since when did these people become Theatre critics anyways? They're bitching about the background and the venue? THE FUCKING VENUE? What about the actual FUCKING ISSUES!!!!

Good grief man!!!! I am glad I did not watch the coverage. I think I am getting fucking high blood pressure form bullshit likes this!! WHAT THE FUCK, NEWS MEDIA!!??

ARRRR!!! I wish I could walk right up to Anderson Cooper and pop him in the fucking jaw.

6/5/2008 8:50:21 PM

sometimes i think obama would have to jump through hoops of fire for republicans to trust this guy

6/6/2008 12:55:26 AM

Quote :

"I'm ready for a debate where they are on the same stage where Obama can't hide behind the press. His whole campaign is about how McCain will be another Bush term, when anybody who has a mind and can think logically knows that McCain is nothing like Bush at all. "

I'm waiting for the same thing. Obama is going to come off looking MUCH better than McCain in the debates. Firstly and probably most importantly to average joe, he speaks more clearly and intelligently (and doesn't have a creepy pedo-smile). Secondly, his ideas are much more fleshed out relative to anything of the things McCain has said so far. Most clearly evident of this is the information on their websites. The people who are deluded that all Obama talks about is "change" will hopefully see reality when McCain can't really explain or defend any of his views.

6/6/2008 2:05:55 AM

Quote :

"sometimes i think obama would have to jump through hoops of fire for republicans to trust this guy "

nah, they just want him to shine their shoes

6/6/2008 2:11:53 AM

Quote :

"Yet somehow she's done much more with her life than you will ever do."

Yeah, I'd consider MANY things more worthwhile than being vice president for community affairs at a Chicago hospital.

6/6/2008 4:58:23 AM

moron,

If you really think Obama is good at explaining his views, then you have no watched any of the Democratic primary debates. Eventually, Obama was getting points from the press for not fucking it up so bad (sound like any other Presidents in the past we can remember?).

He is not detail oriented and he has a tendancy for using strong language that he ussually has step away from later (examples, saying he would be with our enemies unconditionally, implying that Al Qaeda is not in Iraq, saying that his campaign never brought up the Hillary sniper incident). Why? Because he isn't worried about being right, he's worried about sounding sincere. And it apparently works on a lot more people than it should.

6/6/2008 7:45:03 AM

Part of the problem with him not going into detail on a lot of his policy was that 1) He and Hillary had very similar policies and it doesn't really pay to go into detail when they have the same ideas on the same things and 2) There were so many of those debates he had to say a bunch of different shit to keep from saying the same things over and over. If he ever does debate McCain, I certainly expect him to appeal to peoples' emotions, but he's also going to go into detail on what to expect from his policies as well as highlighting how similar McCain is to Bush in what he believes. In other words, it's really hard for there to be a good debate when there are either 8 people on stage, or the only 2 people left are mostly the same candidate.

6/6/2008 8:11:43 AM

^ You might be right, but I'm just judging from past experience. I'm really hoping that Obama agrees to do the town hall tour that McCain is proposing for this summer. I think it would help give us a better idea of how things will play out when things really heat up this fall (how well they do in debates, how they contrast them selves from each other, etc).

In part I want to hear a bit about what Obama has to say now that he is not courting the base for the nomination. But also because I want to see how McCain does in his best venue. Despite the poor delievery of his GE kick off speech this week, I really liked what he had to say. I'm hoping to hear more of that. And I think if McCain can show that he is quick on his feet and can provide sharp answers, he will be able to throw off most this "he's too old jazz."

Either way this should be good.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 9:17 AM. Reason : ``]

6/6/2008 9:16:44 AM

Quote :

"Sgt. Paul Williams, a Baltimore, Md., native, takes aim at a suspiciously moving vehicle that was approaching his team during a foot patrol through a section of Baghdad’s Ur neighborhood Feb. 24. Williams serves as a team leader with Company D, 2nd Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Multi-National Division – Baghdad. Photographer: Sgt. Michael Pryor, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division Public Affairs. Got this email from a paratrooper (not the one pictured above) via Blake H.: I saw a speech being made a couple of nights ago and it was a bit "Scary". (By the way... I watched this on CNN being aired on AFN as I sat down to eat chow the other night at 0200 hours... In Iraq) The speech was being made by Senator Obama... People, you better be paying attention, or you better be prepared to just pay. During this speech he mentioned how he was going to get all the troops out of Iraq... He also stated how there were no Al Qaida in Iraq... Some things on those two things (from my perspective - of course) Note: My friends and I would like nothing more than to come home! Hell, myself and most everyone else I know, we were OK when we had never even been here - or to Asscrackistan for that matter. But since the people who governed these places decided that they couldn't act responsibly and live in a peaceful world and couldn't manage to police up the trash in their own country - Or live up to countless UN (there is a completely worthless organization) resolutions that ended the 1st gulf war... Oh by the way AQ did attack us (lots of people must have missed that one on CNN - Hard to see real sh*t through a liberal spin moving like a hurricane. - Note: hurricane probably caused by George Bush / per CNN coverage of Katrina) Well anyway here we are "Team America - World Police"... Now if you think we are going to be able to just pick up at the stroke of a pen and get all the troops out of these wars... you are sadly mistaken. - And if we were to do it - Better go buy your guns now (Before the democrats get them too) 'Cause we will be fighting these AQ guys in our own backyards. There is a reason why - if you watched the news over the past few days that the overall majority of places in the mostly muslim populated countries think Obama being nominated is a good thing... figure it out. Appeasement - The theory of "if we suck up to these guys and give them countless millions in funds, they will like us... Hate to tell you - it doesn't work. The people in AQ are committed and patient and what they are committed and patient to doing is killing your infidel asses. As for the no AQ in Iraq... The well trained paratroopers are working hard on that! Trust me - there are a lot less... Just don't believe we have gotten them all yet... But, when we do, I'll let you know. Something to ponder... Joe "

6/6/2008 10:19:49 AM

Who ever said anything about sucking up and giving millions of dollars to Iran, Al Qaeda, or any other group over there

Well aside from the Sunni militias in Iraq that the Bush administration is already paying $27 million a month not to attack us

6/6/2008 10:27:50 AM

^look he's already trying to defy the truth staring him down the throat. lol

^^this ultimately proves how every liberal supporting obama is an uneducated, tax hiking, hippy loving schmuck who wants nothing more than a pretty face with no experience b/c they really don't give a shit for this nation or any other


there are countries out there for you people. you should look into getting a visa

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 10:29:59 AM

BEU, that looks like every other chain mail that's forwarded around by conservatives. There's no real reason to believe it's written by anyone in the military. Even if it is, I'm sure you could find the 'liberal' cut of that e-mails floating around as well.


But seriously, chain mail BEU? Is that your evidence?

6/6/2008 10:31:36 AM

^^What truth am I supposed to be defying here exactly

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 10:33:11 AM

I heard that Obama's a muslim.

6/6/2008 10:34:49 AM

^^^ & ^^ & ^i'll give you some email addresses of some special ops currently on the ground and in an active fighting zone if you want the truth

everything they say is screened but they can still get the point across to you.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 10:35:20 AM

THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT YOU STUPID FUCK

6/6/2008 10:35:59 AM

I give up in regards to some of you guys. It's clear that some of you are not using deductive reasoning to reach conclusions. Instead you use findings, which may not be right, to support your ideology. If you want to convince someone else of your position, at least be honest with yourself first.

Cognitive dissonance, or the "...uncomfortable feeling when a person begins to understand that something the person believes to be true is, in fact, not true..." can either "make" or "break" your journey for the truth.

Believe what you want, but don't confuse belief with truth.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:45 AM. Reason : -]

6/6/2008 10:40:19 AM

Okay well fine, I don't really know how to give much in the way of evidence for the "appeasement" argument since no one has actually offered to do anything but negotiate but here's a Time Magazine thing about it, maybe they're considered more credible than me: http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2008/05/obama_appeasement_or_engagemen.html

On the subject of Sunni militias:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/21/iraq.alqaida
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article2937104.ece
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080321_U_S__must_end_support_for_new_Sunni_militias.html

6/6/2008 10:49:55 AM

we get it actionpants. you like to cry thinking about the horrible things we've done to the world by freeing the iraqis

6/6/2008 11:00:55 AM

Let's see your evidence if you want to have a shred of credibility

6/6/2008 11:22:51 AM

do i hear a baby crying? are you that afraid?

6/6/2008 11:23:41 AM

Afraid of what?

6/6/2008 11:26:10 AM

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"Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees. "

aka make it more likely americans will just sign away more money to the federal government than they owe.

6/6/2008 11:26:22 AM

If people are too lazy or stupid to check their tax forms then fuck em

I'd actually expect most of you guys to agree with me on that

BTW I didn't realize you cared so much about the freedom and well-being of the Iraqis, Rat, that's very kind of you, but as of 2006 there are 655,000 civilians that are just as dead as a result of the war as they would have been if Saddam had killed them, and I've heard that number is over a million now. I really just want us to stop spending money on it vv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 11:33:32 AM

Quote :

"If people are too lazy or stupid to check their tax forms make their own money instead of wanting a government handout, then fuck em."

There, I fixed it for ya.

V Nobody said you weren't. You just seem hell bent on voting for someone who doesn't seem to agree with the above quote. Obviously there are shades of gray in everything. I just don't feel Obama is going to worry about distinguishing between the people who really deserve help and those who are just looking for a handout.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM. Reason : so...]

6/6/2008 11:44:52 AM

I fully intend on making my own money sooooo....

6/6/2008 12:01:07 PM

if obama used this, instead of trying to invite the guy over to a housewarming party, i might reconsider my stance

6/6/2008 12:45:58 PM

Quote :

" examples, saying he would be with our enemies unconditionally"

Is that what he said? I thought it was "without precondition" which is a different and more ambiguous meaning. And I somehow doubt anyway the anti-diplomacy supporters would find a meaningful difference between meeting with the enemy and meeting with the enemies with preconditions.

6/6/2008 1:14:08 PM

somebody tell obama that they don't speak arabic afghanistan. like AT ALL. and not to strand our translators there

he might get +1 vote

6/6/2008 1:23:39 PM

^^^ Shows what you know on the topic.

al Qaeda in Iraq actually is very busy getting rid of Shi'ites right now. That's the problem.

It appears you share McCain's knowledge on the ins and outs of these things.

6/6/2008 3:05:48 PM

Do you actually expect these retards to know the difference between the Shias and the Sunnis and their hatred of each other?

6/6/2008 3:08:01 PM

^ You know arrogance isn't that much better than ignorance. Especially when it's unfounded.

V Right about Rat, sure. Others in this thread, not so much.


[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:24 PM. Reason : And that post was pretty arrogant too. You're batting a thousand.]

6/6/2008 3:12:47 PM

It's not arrogance when one is right.

6/6/2008 3:19:48 PM

Quote :

"Do you actually expect these retards to know the difference between the Shias and the Sunnis and their hatred of each other?"

nope. napalm em all. the ole orange juice shit. they are nothing but a burden to humanity

6/6/2008 3:26:12 PM

it people like you that bring humanity down you fascist racist fuck

6/6/2008 3:45:45 PM

^don't worry, you're still just another zionist to them and always will be

6/6/2008 3:47:38 PM