no, i'm doing it because i want to have the option of an academic job in the future and it takes a lot less money/time if i do all my schooling at once.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:34 PM. Reason : not to mention a BS in my field isn't particularly marketable for jobs i would want]

6/10/2008 1:33:06 PM

Is the next step to argue that only certain sectors of the economy are acceptable real world experience?

6/10/2008 1:34:34 PM

^^nobody (not me at least) is saying there is ANYTHING wrong with that

i just dont know why you seem so adamant that you can know all about working full time, paying bills, taxes, etc full time, without actually doing it

^i thought the next step was to talk about how great Iran is and how its a democracy

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 1:35:00 PM

what exactly would i learn?

i pay bills, i pay taxes, i work.

6/10/2008 1:35:35 PM

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"This, it goes without saying, does not apply to those of you who will seek your careers and your fortunes as government employees."

this probably explains why sarijoul and nutsmackr are so defensive

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"what exactly would i learn?"

thats up to you

6/10/2008 1:36:40 PM

so you can't answer the question

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM. Reason : twista ghost edit]

6/10/2008 1:37:50 PM

we all know YOU certainly cant answer the question, since youve never worked full time

but dont let that stop sarijoul from thinking he already knows everything...i mean, what exactly could he learn!

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:42 PM. Reason : omg i added something to a post...GHOST EDIT! DONT LISTEN TO ANYTHING THIS GUY SAYS HE GHOST EDITS]

6/10/2008 1:39:18 PM

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"what exactly would i learn? i pay bills, i pay taxes, i work."

idk, one day you'll make enough $ and look down at your paycheck and read it.

you'll notice you are making 2x the amount of money you earned at the previous job. you'll probably write your gf, or tell your parents, and spread the good news. you might even think you can afford a nice car. it'll be awesome!

then you'll continue reading your paycheck and look at few other items: income tax, and other taxes and fees.

then you ---might--- even just go "Huh? something is wrong. my taxes quadrupled, yet my salarly barely doubled. i think something must be wrong here"

then when you see obama on tv next time you might just sit back and listen with both ears open and your mouth shut not screaming that he is the messiah of this country for once.

6/10/2008 1:40:25 PM

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""This, it goes without saying, does not apply to those of you who will seek your careers and your fortunes as government employees.""

That makes the extremely false assumption that my career path is in the government.

6/10/2008 1:42:54 PM

^^^of course i can't answer the question that i asked you. what would be the point of the question?

^^and of course that's what you're all getting at. at some point in the future i'm going to be outraged by how much of my money is being taken in taxes and then i'll become a conservative. like somehow i'm less impacted by the taxes taken out of my paycheck because i make less money.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 1:43:47 PM

^^you currently work for the government, correct? so are you just playing the semantics game with the phrasing of the statement?

^no...you're trying to guess what you'll learn...YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO IT YOURSELF to understand...you can't just learn everything in life by asking questions...get real

6/10/2008 1:44:17 PM

so your argument is basically: "you're too young/inexperienced to understand and i couldn't possibly explain it to you because you're so naive".

and you call me arrogant.

6/10/2008 1:46:14 PM

Yes, I currently work in government, however, my future and career path lie outside of government.

6/10/2008 1:46:46 PM

^^you are just so convinced that you already understand everything

^like i said, you're playing the semantics game

6/10/2008 1:46:55 PM

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"like somehow i'm less impacted by the taxes taken out of my paycheck because i make less money."

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ding-a-ling-aling-a-ling

just wait till it hits the fan and you finally feel like you've gone to school for a reason after you get that nice job. then mr. obama will park his big ole dump truck right next to you and expect you to start forking it over.

consider it your prize for "making the best of your life"

6/10/2008 1:47:17 PM

^^i'm not. but you're providing no evidence for your claims other than "you're too naive to understand"
^something tells me i'll be just fine.



[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 1:48:30 PM

survival of the fittest at its finest ^

6/10/2008 1:51:51 PM

huh?

6/10/2008 1:52:29 PM

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"you're providing no evidence for your claims other than "you're too naive to understand""

thats total bullshit and you know it

my claim is "go find out for yourself"

you have some fucked up perception that you can learn everything in life by someone explaining something to you...that theres nothing that can only be learned from personal experience...get a clue...thats along the lines as thinking you know everything there is to know about raising a child from just asking some parents...and then getting pissed at them when they tell you that you don't understand some things without raising a child of your own

6/10/2008 1:53:03 PM

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"^like i said, you're playing the semantics game"

Do you understand what semantics means? You said, that I am seeking my career and fortunes as a government worker. Currently working for the government and being a career government worker are not the same.

Some people, especially those in my situation, work in government for a few years before jumping into the corporate world, where we realize massive starting salaries.

for someone who touts "real world experience," you sure as hell do not understand how it works.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 1:53:51 PM

speaking of real world experience, are you still a big proponent of unions? unions are another thing that sound great in theory but, when you experience them in real life, turn out to be a cesspool of corruption...but you work a govt job so what the fuck do you care

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"Some people, especially those in my situation, work in government for a few years before jumping into the corporate world, where we realize massive starting salaries. for someone who touts "real world experience," you sure as hell do not understand how it works."

I got a private sector job out of college without working for the government...i work in the real world, but clearly i dont understand how it works...lot of sense that makes...

6/10/2008 1:56:08 PM

Good read.

6/10/2008 1:57:42 PM

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"I got a private sector job out of college without working for the government...i work in the real world, but clearly i dont understand how it works...lot of sense that makes..."

Depends entirely on your field. But I shouldn't have to tell you that, since you work in the real world.

6/10/2008 1:59:05 PM

i like how all that twista is doing in this thread is just questioning the credibility of anyone who disagrees with him.

6/10/2008 1:59:07 PM

i like how sarijoul knows everything about what its like to give birth because he asked a woman who had had kids what it was like

6/10/2008 2:02:13 PM

i like how sarijoul is the exact audience that boortz describes that would never believe him.. lol classic

6/10/2008 3:31:22 PM

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"Policy should be derived from logic and reason"

this is why i think a little socialism and little communism are the bomb...with a little capitalism of course

6/10/2008 3:34:29 PM

^there's a country out there that serves your purpose well

It's the Peoples Republic of China. I encourage you to get a visa.

6/10/2008 4:09:09 PM

i know...there are already countries out there with different political and social systems in place...why must you try to transform the united states into one of those places and fuck up a good thing

6/10/2008 4:13:22 PM

he won't. that's the best part. he'll continue to suffocate in his basement thinking everybody else will just put up with it.


this country rose up against the evils of civilization many a time.

and has beaten the ever living fuck out of all those who have opposed the good men and women of it. even within its own boundaries. dnl, if it turns into war, even civil war, i'm sure the great people of this nation will rise up and throw down those evils just like they have in the past. and they will win again and you know it.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 4:16:32 PM

Why does Boortz (or any capital-L Libertarian) insist that thinking and feeling are mutually exclusive?

6/10/2008 4:48:09 PM

I think most men can separate thinking and feeling, whereas many women have a tough time compartmentalizing things

6/10/2008 4:54:35 PM

that's absurd. distinction between thinking and feeling is contrary to psychological evidence. what is the distinction between a thought and feeling anyway? it's generally just a notion by the "thinker" that they're unbiased which is impossible.

this is particularly absurd coming out of boortz's speech, since his main argument seems to fueled by an emotional argument.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 4:58:13 PM

i'll bet you guys use logic and not feeling when talking about your views on religion though, right?

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"what is the distinction between a thought and feeling anyway?"

are you serious?

6/10/2008 4:59:21 PM

what?

i've never claimed to be unbiased or free from emotion in my views.

your basic argument is that i can't logically think about this situation until i've felt the stings of taxes and whatnot on my own.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 5:00:16 PM

^^ Again, you miss the point. Surprise!

You can't have one and the not the other. Humans think and feel. Fact.

You can base your rational thoughts on benevolent feelings, or you can base your rational thoughts on being a selfish dick, as Boortz has gotten rich doing.

6/10/2008 5:01:56 PM

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"You can base your rational thoughts on benevolent feelings, or you can base your rational thoughts on being a selfish dick, as Boortz has gotten rich doing."

those are the only two ways to think? thats absurd...some people base rational thoughts on logic and reasoning...which obviously you two would have a really hard time understanding since you arent capable of separating your thoughts and feelings...sarijoul doesnt even realize theres a difference

6/10/2008 5:03:29 PM

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"Again, you miss the point. Surprise! You can't have one and the not the other. Humans think and feel. Fact."

Do you not understand that rational decisions are based on values?

Where exactly do you get said values?



Two people can make rational decisions and come up with two completely different decisions.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 5:05:20 PM

do you have emotional struggles and battles with your feelings when you are thinking about what to eat for dinner? are you overcome with joy or livid with anger when thinking about what shirt to wear?

man the fuck up...you guys are perfect examples of the pussification of this country...congrats

6/10/2008 5:06:16 PM

well, emotions definitely impact what clothes one picks to wear and what to eat.

6/10/2008 5:07:54 PM

^^It's a good thing all decisions in life are that simple.

Otherwise that argument would crumble apart.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:08 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 5:07:57 PM

you drama queens keep proving boortz' point...gg

6/10/2008 5:08:55 PM

drama queens? it's simple psychology.

6/10/2008 5:09:52 PM

do you cry a lot? or are you man enough to be able to handle yourself like an adult?

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:10 PM. Reason : serious question]

6/10/2008 5:10:33 PM

So what you're saying is that rational decisions aren't made based on how you value your options?

6/10/2008 5:10:42 PM

^^you don't seem to have a grasp of psychology. there's more to emotion than crying or going on a tirade.

6/10/2008 5:12:00 PM

maybe you guys have ADD or are clinically depressed or something and dont even know it

the anger and rage you're showing in these last few posts is more evidence that boortz is right though

maybe yall just have a warped sense of entitlement and thats the outcome, i dunno

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:13 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 5:12:13 PM

anger and rage? where?

6/10/2008 5:12:53 PM

oh well, theres really no sense in me trying to convince you otherwise...i dont argue with enough feeling and emotion to get through to you guys

6/10/2008 5:15:53 PM

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"the anger and rage you're showing in these last few posts is more evidence that boortz is right though"

Have you ever heard Boortz's show?

The guy flies off the handle every half hour.

6/10/2008 5:19:07 PM