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"She's re-writing the paper with proper references"

It's fair. People make mistakes, don't fuck her over to bad.


[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 4:30 PM. Reason : ]

8/21/2008 4:29:59 PM

Seriously, people make mistakes. Don't penalize her to the point where she fails out.

8/21/2008 4:34:43 PM

I would have given the student a zero

It's not fair to students who did original, decent work if she gets a good grade on the assignment AND has more time to complete it now

8/21/2008 4:35:45 PM

A question for the OP:

Do you select random parts of every essay you are submitted and run them through google?

8/21/2008 4:38:25 PM

As a TA, I frequently encountered such things. One guy copied and pasted from Wikipedia and didn't even bother to remove the edit brackets and formatting from the Web site. I wasn't in charge of the class, but if I had been, some students would have received warnings and big fat zeros. And if anything of the sort had happened again, I would have taken action in accordance with policy.

This shit is one big reason society doesn't value the college degree in the same way anymore. Cheaters are hurting us all, folks.

And I agree with ambrosia1231:

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"You were far, far too nice, GB."

8/21/2008 4:39:48 PM

maybe she meant to add the proper citations?


Doubt it, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.


You should burn her at the stake.

8/21/2008 4:42:47 PM

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"I'd send her a stern email telling her that you know what she did. Tell her to come to your office one day so she can explain why she thought it was ok. No need to fail her or get her in trouble, really. Just make her think about what she did. That's bad enough."

Omg, you have to be shitting me. Hell no, at 21 years old, you should KNOW BETTER before hand. She knew the consequences when doing it before hand, and if not, ignorance doesn't make her exempt.

So you have two options I think that would be awesome.

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"grade it like you would any paper, and write that grade on the front as well as a 0 write "so-and-so's grade" above the grade and "your grade" above the 0 "

or if you are feeling linient, just grade the paper in proportion to how much was actually hers. (ie: give her a 0 for the part she plagerized and average that in with the rest of the paper...)

I prefer the first

on another note, oh nm.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

8/21/2008 4:45:55 PM

yeah far to lenient. she definitely should've at LEAST gotten a zero (if not negative). she's going to tell all her friends what a push-over you are... she needs to wake up and realize college isn't her middle of nowhere high school.

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8/21/2008 5:30:09 PM

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"Do you select random parts of every essay you are submitted and run them through google? "

No.


I read her paper and it was terrible. None of her ideas flowed, and she mentioned a bunch of shit that wasnt on topic. It just didnt smell right, so i investigated a little.

Next thing i knew, i had 4 different sites with verbatim writing.

I wish i could post the paper, lol.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 5:32 PM. Reason : she took bulletted points from one site, and merged them into a paragraph.]

8/21/2008 5:31:08 PM

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"I wish i could post the paper, lol."

didn't read the thread, but why can't you? most of it is already on the internet anyway, right?

8/21/2008 5:32:11 PM

hahaha


zing

8/21/2008 5:32:29 PM

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"if she gets a good grade on the assignment AND has more time to complete it now"

She turned it in early. It wasnt due until this sunday.


So she'll have just as much time.

8/21/2008 5:38:54 PM

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"A APPROPRIATE"

self pwn, maybe?

8/21/2008 5:41:36 PM

yes, self pwn.



lol

8/21/2008 5:44:09 PM

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"This shit is one big reason society doesn't value the college degree in the same way anymore. Cheaters are hurting us all, folks."

No, grading is. Not to mention the entire sorting process.

8/21/2008 5:54:58 PM

if you really wanted to fuck her up you'd have given her an A+++ and told her how clever she was

that would completely ruin her for further education

8/21/2008 6:03:43 PM

ahahaha



i should've done that.



"THIS PAPER IS MARVELOUS. I'M CURVING YOUR ENTIRE SEMESTER AVERAGE!"

8/21/2008 6:06:11 PM

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"Don't penalize her to the point where she fails out."

If she so stupid as to blatantly copy and paste from the web for a one page paper, she's going to fail out anyway.

8/21/2008 11:16:10 PM

whatever if she was a guy you would've given him a 0 on the spot, just reinforcing the stereotype.

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8/21/2008 11:26:01 PM

Quote :

"yeah, im not so worried about a lawsuit, but if i start playing hardball then i'll be making waves fast. this is my first semester, so i dont really want to be known as a pain in the ass by my peers, either."

too lenient. Student conduct may be considered making waves but a rewrite? Thats not really fair to the folks who did their job correctly the first time. I would tell her she has a few days to do the assignment again, on an alternate topic, for half credit and that it needed to be twice the length. If she cares at all about the class or your respect then she will do it again. If it was me and she ended up not doing the assignment I would have reported her to the university because she's probably lazy and a cheat.


[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 11:38 PM. Reason : asd]

8/21/2008 11:28:54 PM

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"Ask dezidelight what to do Same thing happened to her last year, parents threatened lawsuits etc."

let me guess, these parents live in Cary?

8/21/2008 11:31:11 PM

I think it was a good call. Awesome that you COPY AND PASTED MY WORDS "A STERN WARNING" WITHOUT CITING "So one of my students just submitted a paper. 21 August 2008. bethaleigh. http://www.thewolfweb.com."

But anyway... ... I mean, if it had happened later in the semester after other papers had been done, I would have said go with a harsher punishment. But the first assignment deserves a warning.

8/21/2008 11:33:54 PM

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"To hell with that! My English 111 professor freshman year accused me of plagarism (on a portion of a paper) and failed me on it. The kicker is I didn't plagarise, but she refused to believe me."

Same thing sorta. I had a really long quote that I was using to prove a point and sited and everything and my professor still gave me an F on the paper.

8/21/2008 11:36:06 PM

a+

it's just college

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 11:37 PM. Reason : at least she turned it in on time]

8/21/2008 11:37:04 PM

A couple of my friends told me about this one particular English professor that would some how know about your past papers and would accuse you of plagarising your own work...

8/21/2008 11:42:05 PM

^^^ "really long" like a paragraph or "really long" like two pages?

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 11:43 PM. Reason : ^ I could see that if you had written papers for other professors and they shared that information.]

8/21/2008 11:42:13 PM

i still dont understand how teachers can ride your ass when you use a paper you have written previously for a current assignment

8/21/2008 11:48:03 PM

just cite yourself.

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8/21/2008 11:48:39 PM

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"No, grading is. Not to mention the entire sorting process."

GoldenViper

No, I was actually correct--and many of you sound like cheaters defending cheating.

Are Millennials Prone to Cheating to Get Ahead?

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"Knowledge: As more Generation Y-ers enter the work force, employers have to deal with this new breed of employee. They're young, bright, eager and tech savvy. They also demand frequent validation, want quick rewards and like to shape the rules to fit their lives. Now, academics and employers are wondering if Generation Y's comparatively privileged upbringing has created an environment in which a significant number of young workers view cutting corners, stretching the truth and out-and-out cheating as an acceptable way to get ahead. Barbara Keats, an Associate Professor of Management at the W. P. Carey School of Business, says cheating has always existed in some form in the business world, but she wonders if Generation Y may be taking cheating to a new level."

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"Knowledge: Do some of these Millennials, do they reach a point where they might even believe some of the stuff that they're saying? Keats: Well, it's interesting. If you read some of the literature they often will say things that can be sort of characterized by saying, 'I know that I have to do this now. I have to do this to get into the right college; I have to do this to get the right job, or the best PhD program. I have to do this to get promoted. I have to do this. Whatever the excuse is, but it's really not changing who I am inside. Whenever I reach that, whatever that end goal is, whenever I get there, I won't have to do this anymore. But for now I do. But it's not changing who I am.'"

http://knowledge.wpcarey.asu.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1590

But grade inflation is also an issue.

Making the Grade
Many students wheedle for a degree as if it were a freebie T-shirt.
BY KURT WIESENFELD

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"Most of my students are science and engineering majors. If they're good at getting partial credit but not at getting the answer right, then the new bridge breaks or the new drug doesn't work. One finds examples here in Atlanta. Last year a light tower in the Olympic Stadium collapsed, killing a worker. It collapsed because an engineer miscalculated how much weight it could hold. A new 12-story dormitory could develop dangerous cracks due to a foundation that's uneven by more than six inches. The error resulted from incorrect data being fed into a computer. I drive past that dorm daily on my way to work, wondering if a foundation crushed under kilotons of weight is repairable or if this structure will have to be demolished. Two 10,000-pound steel beams at the new natatorium collapsed in March, crashing into the student athletic complex. (Should we give partial credit since no one was hurt?) Those are real-world consequences of errors and lack of expertise. But the lesson is lost on the grade-grousing 10 percent. Say that you won't (not can't, but won't) change the grade they deserve to what they want, and they are frequently bewildered or angry. They don't think it's fair that they're judged according to their performance, not their desires or 'potential.' They don't think it's fair that they should jeopardize their scholarships or be in danger of flunking out simply because they could not or did not do their work. But it's more than fair; it's necessary to help preserve a minimum standard of quality that our society needs to maintain safety and integrity. I don't know if the l3th-hour students will learn that lesson, but I've learned mine."

WIESENFELD, a physicist, teaches at Georgia Tech in Atlanta.

http://euler.slu.edu/~marks/Pedagogy/Wiesenfeld_essay.html

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 12:49 AM. Reason : .]

8/22/2008 12:42:48 AM

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"i still dont understand how teachers can ride your ass when you use a paper you have written previously for a current assignment"

It's in the Code of Student Conduct.

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"9. CHEATING Cheating includes but is not limited to the following actions: 9.11 Submitting, without prior permission of the instructor, any work by a student which has at any time been submitted in identical or similar form by that student in fulfillment of any other academic requirement at any institution."

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 1:10 AM. Reason : I'm not particularly sure of the reasoning, though.]

8/22/2008 1:09:27 AM

she did some kind of research, you go to give her that much.

no bib. tho, thats 4th grade shit

8/22/2008 1:11:02 AM

This is a shitty situation.

You don't want to adversely affect someone's life in any extreme way.

But cheating is bad and wrong. It's not fair to the students who aren't cheating to tolerate it from some people. And some other people are really good at cheating and will never get caught so it's almost not fair to punish the people who suck at it and do get caught.

If I was a professor, I would just make it really, really clear what the consequences are from the start and enforce the consequences.

There are kids all tangled up with student conduct for smoking weed. Cheaters should get the same shit.

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 2:16 AM. Reason : I hate cheating.]

8/22/2008 2:15:59 AM

tell her you're gonna need to see her in your office

and keep putting her off

eventually, the guilt will get to her so bad that she'll be begging for some sort of punishment

if she acts like she doesnt care, remind her that you know what she did

8/22/2008 2:34:24 AM

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"I'm not particularly sure of the reasoning, though"

thats my point. If you wrote it, and as walls said cite yourself, then im not exactly sure upon what grounds your cheating. I can understand turning in the exact same assignment twice being viewed as cheating (imo not really cheating but i would expect to get a 0 anyway for not doing the assignment as intended) but if you had a previous work and you could pull components from that would enhance a current assignment why would that not be allowed (assuming its documented)?

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 2:40 AM. Reason : btw, i have never done this nor intend to, im just saying i think that partiular policy is overkill ]

8/22/2008 2:38:20 AM

Give her DNL's phone number and make her call it.

8/22/2008 3:11:09 AM

from this thread forth, graniteballs shall be known as cottonballs

8/22/2008 8:56:42 AM

I'm going to fucking crucify the next chick that does this.

8/22/2008 9:11:02 AM

no seriously, I know what you're saying. I've been put in this situation before.

it's like, you don't want to fuck up their whole academic career just because they're too stupid to know how stupid they're being.
at the same time.....they fucking cheated, and tried to trick you

8/22/2008 9:18:11 AM

8/22/2008 9:23:36 AM

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"Mr. Graniteballs, I deeply apologize for my mistake and to any inconvenience this may have caused you. This paper was not intended to be plagiarism and I completely understand the steps you needed to take to correct this. For now on my sources will be listed and my paper will be corrected and resubmitted. This will be for "sure" never to happen again. Thank you Mr. Graniteballs"

8/22/2008 1:23:37 PM

for "sure"

8/22/2008 1:32:27 PM

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"Seriously, people make mistakes. Don't penalize her to the point where she fails out."

She accidentally copied the whole paper?

8/22/2008 1:33:26 PM

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"This paper was not intended to be plagiarism"

until she got caught..

I mean, what do you expect this person to say?

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"Dear GraniteBalls, You got me. I cheated. I copied and pasted some articles and you fuckin' got me. Nice job. Sincerely, Scum."

To think that they're not going to kiss your ass after you call them out is a bit ignorant. You should let her know that you're going to cross-reference everything she turns in for the rest of the term.

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ~~~~~!!!!!]

8/22/2008 1:48:39 PM

GET A BIG RED MARKER

ACROSS THE FRONT PAGE WRITE THE FOLLOWING PHRASE

"EPIC

FAIL"

~see me

8/22/2008 1:50:10 PM

lolol

8/22/2008 1:57:29 PM

It's too bad you couldn't have done what I said.

8/22/2008 1:58:24 PM

Is that the letter she sent you? Is english her second, or perhaps third, language?

She doesn't belong in college. People like her are making me go to graduate school so I can prove I am not retarded.

8/22/2008 2:09:46 PM

As much as I think you should bitchslap her because she should know better at this point, there is a possibility she really doesn't get it. You may want to explain to her what exactly plagiarism means, because it sounds like she thinks that if she does the same thing she did and cites her sources, that's fine.

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 2:13 PM. Reason : heh]

8/22/2008 2:13:15 PM

I had a similar situation last year. Granted, I teach high school but I wanted to give the kid a 0. His parents kept telling me it wasn't plagiarism even though i had the print out right next to the kid's paper. I ended up just taking away citation points, but in college, you should know better. Ignorance of the rules doesn't mean you get to break them. Everyone knows they're supposed to cite work that's not original.
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8/22/2008 2:16:25 PM

set em up

8/22/2008 2:24:13 PM