^ we're the greatest nation on earth... but we could be greater. I guess if you're the kind of person to settle for mediocrity, McCain's your man.

9/2/2008 11:23:21 PM

^^you get increasingly intelligent with each post. how do you do it

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM. Reason : ^]

and you should do some more research on your theory that america is the greatest country in the world. maybe it is for right now. but the world is changing, in particular, the global marketplace. watch out. people like Fareed Zakaria ( The Post-American World --- book) raise some interesting issues. the rise of "everyone else"




[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 11:26 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2008 11:23:34 PM

haha, i thought that was to me for a second

9/2/2008 11:25:42 PM

I thought tonight was totally weaksauce.

9/2/2008 11:34:24 PM

Well, Wednesday we get to hear Sarah.......then Thursday McCain gives his standing on the 9th ward levee......

I guess now if you are a just a mayor that gives you experience to be next in line for the Presidency.....food for thought....does McCain have executive experience?

Obama no
Biden no
McCain no?
SARAH yes

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 11:50 PM. Reason : w]

9/2/2008 11:48:07 PM

If people honestly think that she has more relevant experience than McCain, Biden or Obama, than they drank the Republican criticism deflection Kool Aid.

Remember:

Its not a withdrawal timeline, its a "horizon".

The war will pay for itself.

The mission is accomplished.

Ideology is better than experience.

War is peace; freedom is slavery; ignorance is strength.

Wait, where have I heard that last part before.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 12:05 AM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 12:01:11 AM

Chuck Amato has executive experience as well:

Quote :

"Position: Executive Head Coach/Linebackers"

http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/amato_chuck01.html

9/3/2008 12:59:06 AM

This video is interesting and sad at the same time. It's a clip from Larry King Live where he asks people from both parties what their feelings are with regard to Palin being the VP pick. I'll let you draw your own conclusions, but there is blaringly obvious question avoidance going on...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/02/lkl.palin.controversy.cnn

9/3/2008 1:32:57 AM

Fred's speech was great. I listened to it and thought "gee, so why isn't this guy the nominee?" Oh well, maybe next time...

Content-wise -- well, Fred is himself a maverick but he loses on the agenda. McCain stands up to pork? Sure. But the Republican party puts it there. McCain opposes increased taxation? Ummmmmmmm ... no. Not even. He's about as anti-tax as Romney is pro-life. McCain is a war veteran/hero/saint? Well yea, but he's an old guy who had the shit beaten out of him and now he's still kicking ...

The party has rather fallen off the bus this time. If the Democrats lose just because they're Democrats, that isn't much of a vote of confidence for our nation. I think they're basically at where the Tories were just a few years ago -- they need a charismatic young leader and more appeal to the middle. Having big conventions with Christian Inspirational music and people waving Service as the slogan isn't working. The brand needs repair so why more of the same-old, same-old?

Bush talks about standing up to the Angry Left, but it wasn't the Angry Left that booted out the GOP in 2006. It was average people who were and are pissed. Who in the GOP can stand up to the Angry Middle?

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 2:29 AM. Reason : foo]

9/3/2008 2:29:37 AM

^ i will agree with you

9/3/2008 7:40:42 AM

It was a good night for the repubs. Thompson was great.

Anyone see Newt go off on MSNBC? Outstanding.

Im looking forward to tonight. Palin NEEDS to do well tonight.

9/3/2008 8:13:37 AM

really? i thought it was pretty lackluster. the taped presidential address was just akward with the pre-planned pauses in the speech. thompson told a sob story that killed whatever energy was still in the building. and lieberman was just a wasted speaker slot. he just repeated the same "we need to work together" line over and over again and you could see that the crowd really didn't want him to be there. conventions are all about bringing the party together, and lieberman was more interested in tearing down the idea of party politics. a fine idea, but i didnt think it was the right setting. the crowd looked bored and uniterested with him.

im not trying to say one convention was better then the other, but even during the "down" days at the dem convention there was way more energy and enthusiasm it seems. i felt like the repubs were just going through the motions last night.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 8:34 AM. Reason : d]

9/3/2008 8:31:37 AM

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"OK..umm, if in your speeches you like to be reminded a thousand times that McCain was a POW (Like we already DONT KNOW THAT ONE), twisting and spinning Obama's stance on abortion, and reminding the wealthy crowd that the scary dems are going to raise your taxes. In fact it's misleading, 90% of tax brackets get a cut that's far more from Obama's proposals....and the middle class are main benefactors (despite the spin). That's about all that was there. And Fred you're dead wrong...Bush DOES need to apologize to this country. "

Ok I take issue with most of that rant. Obviously you are not going to be swayed by anything the GOP does at this convention, you are an Obama man through and through and thats fine. Obama's tax plan it is true that the middle class will get tax cuts, but just like Fred Thompson said last night, he wants to tax businesses. Do you buy products from stores. Do you work for a company. If you tax businesses that cost gets passed on to John Q. Public, in the form of higher prices for goods, more layoffs and lower wages for employees. McCain may be more of the same as Obama and Biden keep preaching. I personally hate that the Abortion issue keeps coming up in Presidential races its always a major issue and nothing is ever done about it.

I thought Fred Thompson was great last night. Lieberman was ok. Palin needs to knock it down tonight but the world will see tonight why McCain picked her.

9/3/2008 8:35:52 AM

^^ Elections ain't about who can clap the loudest.

This will come down to Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, and possibly Michigan again.

Obama will win California, Illinois, all of New England, save the possibility of New Hampshire.

McCain will win the South most states will be a landslide. (Though Obama will probably win Mecklenburg, Wake, Fulton, and Dekalb counties). McCain will win Texas and the heartland.

All the money will be spent in the 4 states above and whoever wins a majority of those states will be President.

9/3/2008 8:40:26 AM

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"Elections ain't about who can clap the loudest. "

i agree completely, but the conventions are about rallying the party behind a candidate and getting people excited about the party. enthusiasm generated from the conventions can easily drum up more support in the final push before the election.

the republican convention is far from over, and their best is yet to come, but compared to the catch phrases (sounds stupid but people remember them) and excitement that has come from the past couple of republican conventions, this one seems a little tame.

9/3/2008 8:45:55 AM

sober, I disagree on the speaches. I will agree on the energy level though. I think tonight will have alot more energy.

9/3/2008 8:56:52 AM

I liked liberman's speech last night....especially the part about how McCain isn't afraid to tell the people what he thinks, even when its unpopular.....

Oh wait, isn't McCain the one who walks off interviews when he gets a question he doesn't like, refuses to define "honor" in his own words, has effectively banned reporters from his "straight talk express" ect....

what a joke....Where's the McCain from 2000?


and what was thompson talking about draining some swamp, regardless of agitating the alligators?..I only caught the end of that one.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 9:13 AM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 9:07:40 AM

Quote :

"I think tonight will have alot more energy."

Looks like your peeps could use some motivating.

9/3/2008 9:20:45 AM

wait, wait, wait - let me get this straight.
here are two quotes concerning John McCain as a POW. One is from a retired Army General, and one is from a lobbyist, actor and Senator

Quote :

"I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war..... I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."

Quote :

" Now, being a POW certainly doesn't qualify anyone to be president. But it does reveal character."

one gets slammed for being unpatriotic and all but ends his long-shot at being a VP, and the other gets lauded for giving a powerful and emotional speech?

9/3/2008 9:30:16 AM

I do love that picture. Makes me laugh


Here is the Newt video. Poor reporter. Awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zXi90EVeg

9/3/2008 9:30:36 AM

My favorite part of thompson speech was his glowing endorsement of sarah palin.

Quote :

"I say give me a tough Alaskan governor who's taken on the political establishment in the largest state of the union and won over the beltway business as usual crowd any day of the week."

9/3/2008 9:31:30 AM

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"I liked liberman's speech last night"

maybe I hated it just because i cant stand the guy....i always have. he just seems like the biggest suck up politician. he uses nothing but anecdotal arguments in debates and it seems like he never answers the question he was asked. he can't stand it when he's not the center of attention....which was obvious from his speech last night.

9/3/2008 9:37:51 AM

agent, you seriously dont see the difference?

9/3/2008 9:40:30 AM

its the way both statements ended, one ended positively, the other negatively, its sets the tone for the whole statement. Thats all people remember.

9/3/2008 9:44:57 AM

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"maybe I hated it just because i cant stand the guy....i always have"

^^^read the rest of the post.

9/3/2008 9:55:27 AM

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"agent, you seriously dont see the difference?"

the actual substance of the statements - no, i don't see a difference. They're using slightly different language to say the same thing.

The tact of the statements - yes, obviously there is a difference. One was said off-the-cuff in an interview by a Democrat, and came off as cold and somewhat callous. The other was said in a prepared speech (i.e. not off the cuff, and carefully worded to be non-offensive) by a Republican.
But I still content the overall point and intent of the statements are nearly identical.

9/3/2008 9:59:23 AM

i dont agent. One is clearlly an insult and denegrades what he did. "riding in a plane and getting shot down is qualification to be president." GTFO with that shit.

One does not have to be a POW to be president, obviously, no one is saying that other than libs who are pissed. But it does show he fought and suffered for his country, and showed character by not taking his chance to end it all early. That shows honor and character. Exactly what Fred was talking about.

It would be like me saying. Its great and all what kennedy did for civil rigths and all, but riding in a car getting your head shot doesnt make you a great president. See the difference?

9/3/2008 10:07:35 AM

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"Its great and all what kennedy did for civil rigths and all, but riding in a car getting your head shot doesnt make you a great president."

so you're saying it would be better is someone said instead

Quote :

"Being assassinated doesn't not make one a great president. But it does show the sacrifices he made for the country"

again, same thing, just different tact.

9/3/2008 10:10:26 AM

Quote :

"again, same thing, just different tact. "

No, different MEANINGS and purposes. Just not how it is presented.

9/3/2008 10:13:03 AM

WOOW. Just saw a news story about those "Anti-war protestors" who were throwing bleach at some of the RNC delegates who were walking to the arena. 3 or 4 people were treated for injuries, including an 83 year old woman.

I am 100% for free speech, but things like this gives protestors everywhere a bad rep.

9/3/2008 10:21:28 AM

you don't have to qualify those kind of actions with "i am for free speech". Any reasonable person knows that is not free speech.

9/3/2008 10:29:41 AM

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"Just saw a news story about those "Anti-war protestors" who were throwing bleach at some of the RNC delegates who were walking to the arena. 3 or 4 people were treated for injuries, including an 83 year old woman. "

Was she holding a flower?

9/3/2008 10:42:35 AM

Quote :

"Looks like your peeps could use some motivating"

They're not sleeping....They're praying for the Hurricane victims

9/3/2008 10:46:46 AM

looks like old guy in the front forgot his depends

9/3/2008 11:47:04 AM

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" One does not have to be a POW to be president, obviously, no one is saying that other than libs who are pissed. But it does show he fought and suffered for his country, and showed character by not taking his chance to end it all early. That shows honor and character. Exactly what Fred was talking about."

The way the GOP talks about him is intellectually dishonest. They talk about his character but tip-toe around that whole thing where he dumped his crippled wife and kids for a younger, richer woman (after fooling around for a while). In doing so they tacitly admit that his whole character and life story are about what happened in Vietnam and nothing else matters vis a vis whether or not he should be President.

You can't just pick and choose what makes a man for your stump speeches. Both parties do it but in my view Obama has had much more 'exposure' in this regard and McCain's faults have been glaring. Do we simply not come to terms with them because they happened a long time ago; while simultaneously building our image of this man on what happened to him in Vietnam? That doesn't seem reasonable.

I am not an Obama fan by any stretch but McCain is a ticking time bomb until there's a lot more open discussion about who he is.

9/3/2008 1:28:53 PM

I hope Sarah Palin doesn't choke tonight....

9/3/2008 2:24:13 PM

I think it is funny that last night Jo Ann Davidson called the Snowbilly, Sarah Pawlenty.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 2:27:46 PM

Interesting tactic, Romney..... DC is too liberal now, including everything the Administration has done for the last 8 years

9/3/2008 9:09:47 PM

Quote :

"prescription for every American who wants change in Washington." Mitt Romney says the nation needs a change from "liberal Washington." Mitt Romney says the nation needs a change from "liberal Washington." He also said it's time to take a "weed-whacker" to excessive regulation and to impose lower taxes and to stop big-government spending. "Throw out the big government liberals and elect John McCain," Romney told the Republican National Convention."

LMFAO!!! Has this guy been kept in a cryogenic chamber the last 8 years????????

Any big gov't spending is thanks to their boy George W. Yes, it would be very nice if future the next president commits to stop big-gov't spending. However, the republicans have proved the last 8 years they are not to fond of this. Unless the Zionist liberal agenda is secretly controlling Bush. Ironic he even speaks of "excessive regulation" when the new VP advocates gov't regulation of abortion and making schools enforce abstinence education.

Even if he solely speaks of congress as "liberals" washington; this is primarily due to republicans losing ground thanks to the high disapproval rating of Bush and the Iraqi war. So he only has his colleagues to blame for "liberal washington"

9/3/2008 9:29:43 PM

wow. Go huck

"IM not a republican bc im rich. Im a republican bc I didnt want to spend my life poor waiting for the govt to rescue me."

9/3/2008 9:33:49 PM

Huckabee is knocking it out of the park right now

"I'm not a Republican because I grew up rich, I'm a Republican because I didn't want to spend the rest of my life poor waiting on the government to rescue me"

9/3/2008 9:35:19 PM

not quite sure how anyone could enjoy this

9/3/2008 9:37:15 PM

Yeah, he is swinging for the fence.

"palin got more votes when she ran for major, than joe biden got when he ran for president."

9/3/2008 9:37:46 PM

He is a great speaker.....

but the tired old rhetoric that all liberals want is to be saved by the government is just, well.... tired old rhetoric

9/3/2008 9:38:07 PM

holy shit, that was so lame

I like when they show the token black guy haha

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 9:40 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 9:39:31 PM

Quote :

"but the tired old rhetoric that all liberals want is to be saved by the government is just, well.... tired old rhetoric"

seems pretty spot on to me

9/3/2008 9:40:43 PM

Quote :

"holy shit, that was so lame"

9/3/2008 9:41:27 PM

I disagree agent. You listen to what obama promises, that is exactly what he is saying. More spending and programs.


Huck did well, as did Fred.

I think most people are waiting to see Palin

9/3/2008 9:42:35 PM

After all these speeches, I almost feel like I'm right there with John McCain in that POW camp

9/3/2008 9:43:06 PM

^LOL. gg

9/3/2008 9:43:38 PM