nobody likes you, Noen

go away

10/29/2008 9:41:44 PM

i agree with the professor thing (to an extent). most of my fav. profs had awesome stories and experiences. i'd love to teach but i want to be able to share the same experiences and stories so i guess i have to do shit first.

i did have a couple of strictly academic professors who were awesome, too though. they knew EVERYTHING (or so it seemed at the time)

[Edited on October 29, 2008 at 9:42 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2008 9:42:08 PM

i like Pittsburgh and its weather

10/29/2008 9:43:13 PM

you still owe me that shit!

10/29/2008 9:43:20 PM

i like pittsburgh and its football teams

10/29/2008 9:46:34 PM

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"Hahaha, I love how you say that like it's a good thing. Academic ladder climbing ain't shit. 350 people for each position? Sounds like a lot of people made pretty bad decisions in their career paths. Nothing like getting into totally saturated field and trying eek out some tiny niche to call your own. Hell, one of the main reasons I went back for a master's was to teach one day after being in industry long enough to be able to actually impart knowledge to other people. Maybe it's different in the make-believe world of mathematics, but nearly every GREAT professor I ever had was professionally accomplished long before beginning to teach, and it showed."

nothing says "i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about" more than this post

10/29/2008 10:33:51 PM

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"nothing says "i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about" more than this post"

How about when you said you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

Please sir, do tell how you have a 350:1 disparity in positions to applicants, and that be a good thing?

Keep in mind, you said for your FIELD, not your institution. I could buy you teaching at a well sought-after university and there being that kind of competition, but 350:1 for a FIELD is worse than the .com bubble bursting. It either means you have a LOT of not-very-qualified people out there competing against you, or the field is stagnant or shrinking.

10/29/2008 10:40:13 PM

There are a lot of qualified applicants for positions. How many university posts do you see in philosophy and mathematics?

Yeah.

Shut the fuck up.

10/29/2008 10:41:37 PM

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"or the field is stagnant "

Like I said, you picked some super-obscure field to go into. So are there 350 people IN THE FIELD, and just you got the job? Isn't ALL advanced mathematics philosophical?

10/29/2008 10:48:39 PM

what? no

there are more than 350 people in the field can you not fucking read

usually there are at least a couple of hundred applicants for a tenure track position

what is hard about that to understand

there are plenty of intelligent PhD's in physics who, for instance, work at places like the EPA doing computational toxicology -- not because they suck or are stupid, but because the field is saturated as shit

not everybody can get a tenure track in physics/math/philosophy/linguistics/etc. It means it's a very competitive field, which means it's far from "safe academia"

do you have any fucking idea what you're arguing for anymore

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" Isn't ALL advanced mathematics philosophical?"

not necessarily and the fact that you think this means you should probably shut the fuck up and back out of the conversation

[Edited on October 29, 2008 at 10:53 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2008 10:53:23 PM

: you talked about how exclusive and difficult your field is. it sounds like it's just saturated, not that it's particularly difficult.

I'm WELL aware of the fact that academic PhD's can and do venture into industry being that my former roomate does something similar to your physics reference, and my uncle made the move in his career as well.

yes I know what I'm arguing for. You're Ph.D quest is not any more difficult or unique than most of the rest of us on this site who have educations and happy carreers. Yet you seem to think that going for another degree somehow puts you on a higher playing field, or that YOUR particular area of interest is MORE important, difficult than anything the rest of us do.

And it's not. You have it just as easy or hard as the rest of us. I can call out all kinds of terminology, research, history and fundamentals that you wouldn't have a clue about either. Does that make me better than you? No, we have different interests.

10/29/2008 11:36:38 PM

oh look. you guys are still arguing.

10/29/2008 11:37:42 PM

10/29/2008 11:43:37 PM

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"You're Ph.D quest is not any more difficult or unique than most of the rest of us on this site who have educations and happy carreers."

You are PhD quest

Ask any grad student in CS, math, linguistics, philosophy, etc. If they aren't getting their ass kicked on the order of 10+ hours a day, then they're in shitty programs.

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"it sounds like it's just saturated, not that it's particularly difficult."

You are a fucking idiot if you think a top math, physics, etc program is "not particularly difficult"

EDIT:

I realize at this point that I'm getting trolled like a motherfucker, but I'm convinced Noen might actually believe his own bullshit here, which is absolutely unreal. You think that producing original results in say, math or statistics is "not particularly difficult"? How fucking severe is your Aspergers?

EDIT EDIT:

Just because I'm trolled so damn hard I'm going to post this a few times to reiterate that it was said:

"you talked about how exclusive and difficult your field is. it sounds like it's just saturated, not that it's particularly difficult."

"you talked about how exclusive and difficult your field is. it sounds like it's just saturated, not that it's particularly difficult."

"you talked about how exclusive and difficult your field is. it sounds like it's just saturated, not that it's particularly difficult."

YEA MAN I GRIND OUT NEW RESULTS IN MODEL THEORY ON THE CAN ALL THE TIME. SHOOTIN' FROM THE HIP MAN, IT AIN'T PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT.

Man the fact that guys like you exist trolls the shit out of me. Being a CS guy from undergrad I know the type -- can code, thinks he's got the world by the balls. eat a cock, coding is easy

[Edited on October 30, 2008 at 3:06 AM. Reason : .]

10/30/2008 2:54:28 AM

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"Ask any grad student in CS, math, linguistics, philosophy, etc. If they aren't getting their ass kicked on the order of 10+ hours a day, then they're in shitty programs."

I went through 3 years of grad school, and put in my 80 hour weeks the whole time. Never did I say it was easy. But it doesn't make you better than someone else who works their ass off in another career in industry. Working hard is working hard.

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"You are a fucking idiot if you think a top math, physics, etc program is "not particularly difficult""

Yet somehow, ~25,000 doctorates are given out yearly in the US. You picked a tough, prestigious program. Congratulations. SO WHAT? No, it's not particularly difficult. It's a damn academic program, you aren't fighting for your life, you aren't at risk of being thrown out on the street, you have no family or kids to support, you work on research and have a singular focus.

Granted this is limited, anecdotal evidence, but in ALL of my experience with Ph.D's coming from academia to industry, they crash and burn for the first year or three. It amazes me that someone who is so highly educated (like yourself) would be entirely incapable of operating in a common work environment. But then I realize that most of them (like yourself) likely haven't had a real job in their entire adult lives, so you get the benefit of the doubt and eventually figure out how to work with other people.

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""you talked about how exclusive and difficult your field is. it sounds like it's just saturated, not that it's particularly difficult." YEA MAN I GRIND OUT NEW RESULTS IN MODEL THEORY ON THE CAN ALL THE TIME. SHOOTIN' FROM THE HIP MAN, IT AIN'T PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT."

Caps-lock me all you want. Facts are there are more Ph.D graduates year over year (~25,000 new degrees awarded in 2004 alone), while faculty positions haven't grown at anywhere near that rate. Just like Bachelors, and now Master's degrees, a Ph.D is not quite the ticket it used to be.

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"Man the fact that guys like you exist trolls the shit out of me. Being a CS guy from undergrad I know the type -- can code, thinks he's got the world by the balls. eat a cock, coding is easy"

You don't know my type at all, because you don't know me. So far pretty much every assumption you've made of me has been completely wrong, so why stop there? Looks like all that analytical study hasn't helped you a whole lot. I was and am a pragmatic programmer, coding was never more than a means to an end for me. The CS degree was my choice because it was easy and I could finish it early, I didn't pick it because I was passionate about it. Luckily I did end up stumbling into HCI, ergonomics and Human Factors as a result, which led me down the path I'm on today.

10/30/2008 5:23:58 AM

Fucking humid ass sweathole.

10/30/2008 9:55:30 AM

It's still cold as shit!
oh don't be knockin the aspergers!!!

10/30/2008 10:03:58 AM

You know what I was typing up a reply, but I'm not going to argue with you

people on this site are right, you're a glorified web designer with a chip on his shoulder who thinks he knows shit

i could go point by point and talk about why you're incredibly wrong, but you'll try to shift the conversation because you're master internet debater or some retarded shit like this

the only person you're fooling is yourself -- keep walking around talking about how PhD programs in computational fields are "not so hard" because your dinky piece of shit terminal master's degree wasn't that conceptually hard

BACK TO PITTSBURGH CHAT

shit's cold today, fuck raleigh

10/30/2008 10:04:28 AM

You know what I was typing up a reply, but I'm not going to argue with you

people on this site are right, you're a glorified high school math teacher with a chip on his shoulder who thinks he knows shit

i could go point by point and talk about why you're incredibly wrong, but you'll try to shift the conversation because you're master internet debater or some retarded shit like this

the only person you're fooling is yourself -- keep walking around talking about how anyone who doesn't pursue your PhD program in computational fields is totally inferior to you as a human being while ignoring the fact you are an extreme specialist and incapable of performing in any private industry.

BACK TO SEATTLE CHAT

shit's awesome today, but raleigh is still alright

10/30/2008 5:39:14 PM