I just got my flag back









thank you, America.

11/4/2008 11:17:04 PM

yaaaaaay! now you can go burn it

11/4/2008 11:17:22 PM

Oh, no pithy comeback, joe?

Apparently that flag stands for a lot less than one originally might think.

11/4/2008 11:18:56 PM

wut?

if burro wants to burn a flag, that's his business.

my flag is stronger than unamerican haters like him

11/4/2008 11:21:24 PM

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"You tell me. Is Joe Biden a vociferous critic of the Iraq War... oh wait, no. How about rule by fear and paranoia? Ah, sucks, PATRIOT Act. Again and again. But warrantless wiretapping, we're totally good on that one, right? Obama or Biden, right? No? Well shucks. Guess maybe those things aren't so important after all, are they?"

Like I said - old Glory just don't seem to mean as much as it used to...

11/4/2008 11:24:02 PM

goddamn, you're a whiny bitch

it's going to take a while to undo 8 years of the culture of fear and division that BushCo has installed in washington

pardon me for being optimistic.

as KWSMITH2 has noted on these boards, we FINALLY now have a true empiricist for a chief executive.

that's gold.

11/4/2008 11:27:02 PM

Dude. Is this the case of once again faith triumphing over experience? I thought the faith-based ticket lost.

I'm going on the "empirical" record, here. You're the whiney little bitch pining about his flag - I'm just here to bring a strong dose of reality back to the conversation. That's what "empiricists" do, right?

11/4/2008 11:28:34 PM

joe you're a whiny bitch

drSteve no i'm not. YOU'RE a whiny bitch.


LOL

11/5/2008 12:15:24 AM

joe_schmoe: Reading is hard.

Carry on.

11/5/2008 12:22:09 AM

you "got your flag back"

ease up, old man.

11/10/2008 8:47:00 AM

Wow. I can't believe someone would actually admit that they only love their country when their favored political party is in power.

I mean, I'm sure people actually feel that way, but to actually admit to it????

This is why I'm glad I'm registered Independent. I am not cut out for bullshit partisanship.

11/10/2008 9:14:29 AM

^ PWN!

^^ LOL! joe_senile.

11/10/2008 9:41:13 AM

i've already explained my position. it has nothing to do with political parties.

it had everything to do with a certain gunslinging cowboy on his constant anti-American, extra-Constitutional swashbuckling adventures, using my flag to enforce gunbarrel democracy and suppression of civil rights

now (hopefully) the flag is coming back to where it belong..

carry on.




[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 11:56 AM. Reason : hopefully]

11/10/2008 11:43:57 AM

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"This is why I'm glad I'm registered Independent. I am not cut out for bullshit partisanship. "

11/10/2008 11:46:55 AM

I dunno, it remains to be seen if we really got our flag back.

Don't count your chickens before they roost, or some other cliche.

Obama hasn't done anything except promise a whole bunch of stuff. What's going to happen to the Patriot Act? (Obama voted FOR extension, and Biden wanted to expanded many parts!) Obama is going to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, but what is he going to let happen to the prisoners? By all rights, it seems Obama wants to expand Homeland Security. I dunno, I just don't get a lot of warm fuzzies, hopefully I am wrong.

Maybe you have your flag back, but I would wait and see.

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 11:50:31 AM

well, actually, i agree with everything you just said.

:-/

11/10/2008 11:56:24 AM

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" using my flag to enforce gunbarrel democracy and suppression of civil rights "

Yes..and let's hope the next president doesn't use our economic woes as an excuse to push through radical liberal laws and policies.

11/10/2008 11:54:14 PM

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"Obama is going to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, but what is he going to let happen to the prisoners?"

Uhh.. where do you get your news from?

Because there are hundreds of articles online about what their plan for the prisoners is.

Seriously, the election is over, Obama won, you don't have to keep up the BS about him not having substance.

11/11/2008 12:14:22 AM

so, did you burn it yet?

11/13/2008 5:35:19 PM

nope.

but if i should ever want to, my flag supports me in doing so.

11/13/2008 7:37:16 PM

Joe what are you gonna do with your other flag, put it in your closet for now?

11/13/2008 11:40:05 PM

I ain't even GOT a garage. You can call home and ask my wife.

11/14/2008 3:25:51 AM

^Joe, I don't like your style, but i gotta admit, that made me LOL at my desk.

Good one.

11/14/2008 8:45:34 AM

11/14/2008 1:02:44 PM

joe, how do you feel about the "Fairness" Doctrine.

how does that affect your flag status since most would argue it is 'extra-constitutional'



I am not trying to be a smart ass, I am curious what your stance is on it.

11/14/2008 3:35:43 PM

I know it wasn't directed at me, but I am goddamned tired of hearing about the fairness doctrine.

For chissakes, noone even gives a shit about conservative talk radio these days. The only people (on either side of the aisle) that you have heard bring up the fairness doctrine int he last 5 years are the whiny ass GOP talk radio wingnuts like limbaugh and hannity.

It's old news and not something that is likely to be implemented any time soon.

11/14/2008 4:04:30 PM

you are talking out of your ass.

the "Fairness" Doctrine is very probable. Obama will appoint a new FCC chair, probably a Democrat and that person will basically have the authority (with the other 2 votes) to implement whatever he or she wants.

the Doctrine has long been something some on the left want to see happen because talk radio is the only media that they get their ass kicked on. apparently, the old rich white man demographic loves talk radio and those shows you named have HUGE followings.

it has been brought up before. there is no reason to believe it wont be brought up again.

a lot of people in the industry are fairly certain it will come about in some fashion....not just "wingnuts."

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2008 4:09:58 PM

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"~65 days left before i get my flag back"

11/14/2008 4:27:10 PM

The Fairness, if it were implemented, would apply to the internet/blogosphere as well which is a medium that liberals dominate. Heck, if you listen to Limbaugh and Hannity, mainstream television networks are all liberal as well. They sure as hell would be affected by the fairness doctrine.

Seriously, if this was anything but a non-issue, don't you think that the television networks would be running stories on it?

I will start paying attention to it when I hear anyone but those clowns on conservative talk radio talking about it.

11/14/2008 4:30:09 PM

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"DaBird : joe, how do you feel about the "Fairness" Doctrine."

what does it matter what i think? your question itself presumes the answer.


the Fairness Doctrine has become a "talking point" that distracts from today's larger issues. it was developed at a time when the only broadcast media was limited to a very narrow RF spectrum. FCC was charged with regulating this spectrum -- a public infrastructure -- much like traffic control devices regulate the nations roads and highways.

the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that broadcast media outlets are full First Amendment speakers whose speech could not be regulated absent good reason. However, because they were granted government licenses on a scarce broadcast spectrum, they could be regulated by the FCC to preserve openness in covering news.

So the FCC could regulate "fairness" in news reporting, but was not required to do so. When the Reagan appointee to head the FCC in 1985 declared the Doctrine as "violating the First Amendment" he arrogantly exceeded his authority by contradicting the unanimous decision of the US Supreme Court. Regardless, his hyperbole was not necessary: the Supreme Court allowed -- but did not require -- the FCC to regulate "fairness"

whatever one might say about the political agenda of the FCC in the 1980's, the issue is a moot point. Between cable broadband and the now-ubiquitous high-speed Internet access, current technology has obviated the need to tightly regulate which opinions on public issues are represented on the RF broadcast spectrum.

In short, the Fairness Doctrine is a red herring. The real issues today are media-ownership caps, support for public broadcasting, and network neutrality.

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"DaBird: the "Fairness" Doctrine is very probable. Obama will appoint a new FCC chair [who will reinstate ...]"

not hardly. Obama has already spoken about this and is himself opposed to reinstating the Fairness Doctrine.

it's a non-issue.








[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2008 4:30:38 PM

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"not hardly. Obama has already spoken about this and is himself opposed to reinstating the Fairness Doctrine. it's a non-issue."

hmm, maybe

but there are a number of prominent Democrats that want to reinstate it and I don't think Obama opposes it strongly enough to go against them if they would really want to do it

we'll see, I'm just a little skeptical considering the way he and his campaign handled those few issues before the election regarding the media

11/14/2008 4:43:16 PM

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"not hardly. Obama has already spoken about this and is himself opposed to reinstating the Fairness Doctrine. it's a non-issue."

what if he did? that is my question. would you still consider it 'your flag?'

what if Pelosi and John Kerry tried to push for it?

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"The Fairness, if it were implemented, would apply to the internet/blogosphere as well which is a medium that liberals dominate. Heck, if you listen to Limbaugh and Hannity, mainstream television networks are all liberal as well. They sure as hell would be affected by the fairness doctrine."

not necessarily. I will try to find the article online I was reading the other day that basically stated since the internet was not 'public' domain like the airwaves, it would be exempt. it also addressed how cable news was exempt.

radio would be the target.

11/14/2008 4:51:42 PM

I know you all love Boortz...so here is a collection of his articles from his webpage.

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/fairness-doctrine/

11/14/2008 4:53:35 PM

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"what if he did? that is my question. would you still consider it 'your flag?' What if John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi "

what if what if what if what if.

Look, the Fairness Doctrine as it was instituted 40-odd years ago is wholly irrelevant in light of today's media technology. To try and re-implement it would be misguided. And according to Obama, he believes the same.

but whatever your opinion, trying to legislate "fairness" in broadcast media, as misguided as it is, is NOWHERE NEAR the level of offensiveness as our recent foreign policy nightmares, turning our country into a occupying force for gunbarrel democracy, engaging in torture, domestic wiretaps, extraordinary rendtions, and subverting civil rights of our own citizens.

obviously this "Fairness Doctrine" is a real bugbear for you. But this issue is dead in the water. Sorry if I don't panic and run around shouting that the sky is falling.

maybe you can create your own thread on this if you feel so strongly?






[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 6:44 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2008 6:28:09 PM

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"but whatever your opinion, trying to legislate "fairness" in broadcast media, as misguided as it is, is NOWHERE NEAR the level of offensiveness as our recent foreign policy nightmares, turning our country into a occupying force for gunbarrel democracy, engaging in torture, domestic wiretaps, extraordinary rendtions, and subverting civil rights of our own citizens. "

well I obviously disagree. I find the backing for this very offensive, down to the bill of rights....no different than any other 'right' that you feel has been violated that you listed above. like I said, I was just curious.

11/14/2008 8:09:54 PM

sorry.

killing & torture & secret imprisonment & false war != forcing broadcasters to present both sides

not even close. if you're seriously trying to convince someone that it does, then

i mean, really. check your priorities.






[Edited on November 15, 2008 at 1:40 AM. Reason : ]

11/15/2008 1:36:29 AM

I care about Americans and domestic issues and my freedoms first.

everyone else second.

so yes, it does mean more to me.









*dont try and twist that into me saying that I believe we are blameless for some shit you listed...I dont.

11/17/2008 2:17:14 PM

11/17/2008 2:21:24 PM

Media consolidation seems like a bigger threat to freedom of speech than the fairness doctrine would be.

11/17/2008 2:35:05 PM

^ good lord amen

DAMN YOU MICHAEL POWELL

11/17/2008 2:55:57 PM

11/17/2008 3:21:34 PM

we need to be sure to bring this thread back up every year...

11/17/2008 3:25:27 PM

[Edited on November 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2008 3:39:10 PM

Uhh... the election is over, it's way past the time for you to be a sore loser and not look like an idiot.

[Edited on November 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2008 3:45:04 PM

11/17/2008 4:17:39 PM

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"care about Americans and domestic issues and my freedoms first. everyone else second. "

Thank you! It so sad that most Americans these days don't have the balls to say this, heaven forbid they not be PC!

11/17/2008 11:51:51 PM

^ it's a vacuous statement.

A stable middle east IS America's interest, other countries not hating us are ALSO America's interest, you don't achieve these things by alienating our international peers.

11/17/2008 11:55:10 PM

They'll be respected more when they can control their own citizens so that they stop organizing terrorist camps to train for acts against the US.

11/17/2008 11:56:43 PM

1/20/2009 11:52:57 AM

Now that your party is in power, what are you going to do with your time now that you have nothing left to complain about?

1/20/2009 2:34:36 PM