wtf..where do you people get mcmillionare from? These houses are average at best. The first house pictures is slightly above average. These are by no means million dollar homes or even rich people homes. Middle class.

12/4/2008 2:13:29 PM

the first house is NOT "middle class"

12/4/2008 2:14:08 PM

^uh...yes it is.

Quote :

"i looked at those houses and immediately thought "mcmillionaires" people who live paycheck to paycheck trying to pay for everything. you know what i mean....just because you can fianace it does not mean you can afford it."

and i'm sure everyone who lives in something that isn't a dump is living pay check to pay check...

12/4/2008 2:14:51 PM

if we proceed this along you will switch to "upper middle class"

which is not what people think of when you say "middle class"

they think of "lower middle class"

the lower middle class can NOT afford the first house and probably can not afford the other three either

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 2:17:19 PM

Quote :

"wtf..where do you people get mcmillionare from? These houses are average at best. The first house pictures is slightly above average. These are by no means million dollar homes or even rich people homes. Middle class."

no. especially not in places like cary. just because the houses may not look HUGE doesn't mean that they aren't valued high because of location (that is if they are in cary area).

and while the houses *probably* aren't million dollar houses, they are not 200,000 houses, either.

^ yes
The use of facebook profiles and especially myspace pages in journalism is a fucking joke. I'm embarrassed for them. It's like they don't realize they sound like a fucking high school paper when they do that. Remember when journalists actually had to do real research and call around to get more information on a story?

[quote]The use of facebook profiles and especially myspace pages in journalism is a fucking joke. I'm embarrassed for them. It's like they don't realize they sound like a fucking high school paper when they do that. Remember when journalists actually had to do real research and call around to get more information on a story?
[quote]
i never understand this. especially because what people put on myspace and facebook is the 100% truth and totally completely serious. "tommy put his favorite color was black. then when he killed someone, it all made sense"

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 2:21:17 PM

I love it when journalists find a pattern when they are looking for a pattern, but there really is no pattern.

12/4/2008 2:27:08 PM

^9 What millionaire would want 0% interest

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2008 2:29:25 PM

Quote :

"if we proceed this along you will switch to "upper middle class" which is not what people think of when you say "middle class" they think of "lower middle class" the lower middle class can NOT afford the first house and probably can not afford the other three either"

You just made the switch. This is still middle class. Perhaps you should look up the scale of middle class then get back to me.

Quote :

"no. especially not in places like cary. just because the houses may not look HUGE doesn't mean that they aren't valued high because of location (that is if they are in cary area). and while the houses *probably* aren't million dollar houses, they are not 200,000 houses, either."

without looking up property values in the wake country tax records...I'd say the first house is 380-450. The other 3 are upper 200's low 300's IF they're in Cary. Again...this is not upper class OR million dollar homes. The first house is a typical house you'd see in the newer developed areas of cary. the other 3 is a typical house you'd see in either Apex or the older parts (~15 years old) of Cary.

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 2:43:57 PM

wral should look at this thread. it duliverz

12/4/2008 2:48:10 PM

all i'm sayin is i live in an older part of n. raleigh and our house looks like those houses (not the first one) maybe even smaller and i know what the property value on it is and it is WAY higher than you'd think for an old ass house.

i just don't think they are in the 200,000s. maybe low 3. but we can agree to disagree. and yea IF cary. i dont' know anything about apex.

12/4/2008 2:50:26 PM

^i think we agreed because I said "upper 200's low 300's" which is pretty much the range you just posted.

12/4/2008 2:52:50 PM

Quote :

" without looking up property values in the wake country tax records...I'd say the first house is 380-450. The other 3 are upper 200's low 300's IF they're in Cary. Again...this is not upper class OR million dollar homes. The first house is a typical house you'd see in the newer developed areas of cary. the other 3 is a typical house you'd see in either Apex or the older parts (~15 years old) of Cary. "

not to be a dick and take sides but

House 1: 450k
Houses 2 - 4 <=250K.


these are also real numbers, not me making assumptions.

Either way, these kids are not poor and came from decent middle class backgrounds. Depending on the area- even between different ones of cary/apex- some of those homes would have been far more expensive

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 2:54 PM. Reason : facts.]

12/4/2008 2:53:38 PM

Quote :

"Houses 2 - 4 <=250K."

yes IF they are anywhere BUT cary. But if they're located in Cary you have to factor in that factor in the property value.

12/4/2008 2:54:55 PM

no, actually they are in apex mostly and thats what they are worth IN apex. only the girl lived in cary

Home 1
Land Value Assessed
$152,000
Bldg. Value Assessed
$338,848


Tax Relief

Land Use Value
Use Value Deferment
Historic Deferment
Total Deferred Value


Use/Hist/Tax Relief Assessed
Total Value Assessed
$490,848


Home 2 in apex
Land Value Assessed
$50,000
Bldg. Value Assessed
$170,163


Tax Relief

Land Use Value
Use Value Deferment
Historic Deferment
Total Deferred Value


Use/Hist/Tax Relief Assessed
Total Value Assessed
$220,163

Home 3 in apex

Assessed Value

Land Value Assessed
$64,000
Bldg. Value Assessed
$188,917


Tax Relief

Land Use Value
Use Value Deferment
Historic Deferment
Total Deferred Value


Use/Hist/Tax Relief Assessed
Total Value Assessed
$252,917



Home 4 in apex/cary
Land Value Assessed
$50,000
Bldg. Value Assessed
$168,333


Tax Relief

Land Use Value
Use Value Deferment
Historic Deferment
Total Deferred Value


Use/Hist/Tax Relief Assessed
Total Value Assessed
$218,333

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 2:59 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 2:59:04 PM

1st house (Dahlquist):
paid: $320,000 in 2001
assessed value: $490,848

2nd house (Hare):
paid: $168,000 in 2001
assessed value: $220,163

3rd house (Khan):
paid: $190,000 in 1999
assessed value: $252,917

4th house (Shaw):
paid: $169,000 in 2000
assessed value: $218,333

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM. Reason : * i'm too slow]

12/4/2008 2:59:51 PM

I guess I was right on the money.

12/4/2008 3:00:27 PM

damn i just thought that area would have similar property value to n. raleigh

geez. n raleigh ftw!!

(well i also assumed it was cary)

12/4/2008 3:07:33 PM

ok, enough about real estate, lets get back to making fun of the little murderers myspace pages

12/4/2008 3:07:53 PM

Quote :

" never understand this. especially because what people put on myspace and facebook is the 100% truth and totally completely serious. "tommy put his favorite color was black. then when he killed someone, it all made sense""

of course taking it for the absolute is silly, but it can give you a glimpse in to the character of a person. we check to see if defendants in our cases have facebook and myspaces all the time.

12/4/2008 3:11:32 PM

well, clearly

but it makes for some really lame news articles. lame? or pathetic? maybe both.

12/4/2008 3:14:04 PM

i think it works both ways...journalists just report in a more public forum. if someone's giving you easy access to their life, why not jump on the opportunity to get the news out faster before sitting down and doing more thorough investigation?

12/4/2008 3:18:07 PM

^

12/4/2008 3:58:12 PM

His dad works at NCSU, RIP.

12/4/2008 4:00:06 PM

stupid red x

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 4:13:30 PM

Quote :

"kill 'em all and let god sort it out"

12/4/2008 4:22:57 PM

Quote :

"Hare's MySpace page depicted a nuclear explosion with the following phrase prominently displayed: "Can imagine a world of love, peace and no wars. Then I imagine myself attacking that place, because they would never expect it.""

Isn't that a Jack Handy quote from SNL?

12/4/2008 4:35:07 PM

yes

12/4/2008 5:07:48 PM

Only TWW would see a wood house with bricks glued to the front and think it was something special.

12/4/2008 5:30:58 PM

someone give me a 2-3 line summary of what happened. thanks.

12/4/2008 5:38:19 PM

Apex kid has been missing for like a week or something
these 4 apexian kids were arrested for murder of an unknown person
WRAL found their myspace and broadcasted all the shit they had on them

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 5:41 PM. Reason : thats as of last night, idk if they revealed the victim or not today]

12/4/2008 5:40:05 PM

Quote :

"i think it works both ways...journalists just report in a more public forum. if someone's giving you easy access to their life, why not jump on the opportunity to get the news out faster before sitting down and doing more thorough investigation? "

because it sounds dumb? and i think that is just the point..."news"?? facebook and myspace are "news"?? its freaking myspace and facebook.


i think ppl on the previous page summed it up well. especially this:

Quote :

"What hard hitting reporting -- she lists her mood as "unsure" with an alien head sitting right next to it. I'm surprised the hard hitting journalists didn't mention that she was from outer space. "

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 5:54 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 5:52:41 PM

Quote :

"and i'm sure everyone who lives in something that isn't a dump is living pay check to pay check... "

i, in no way, said that.
read my post again.
i told you what it reminded me of.



literacy, i has it.




[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 6:17 PM. Reason : sorry guys. i didnt realize we'd moved on. ]

12/4/2008 6:14:02 PM

This thread's title should be changed to the "real estate thread"

12/4/2008 6:23:33 PM

hahahaha

We should make a new thread to discuss these 4 dweebs and the dead kid.

12/4/2008 6:25:10 PM

Quote :

"happy birthday. i cant believe u would do this but i hope u learn ur lesson"

wtf? seriously?

12/4/2008 6:26:52 PM

lets be real here. Innocent until proven guilty. That is when you drop the hammer and click 'remove from friends'.

12/4/2008 6:28:26 PM

ehe

Quote :

"Favorite Quotations: "Ryan, you leave a path of destruction that always ends with you seeing your girlfriend." -Chris Goodarzi About Me: I love Sara"

and a post from today:

Quote :

"Sara Elisabeth Grimsrud wrote at 4:07pm I can't believe it...you're sick....."

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM. Reason : kk]

12/4/2008 6:28:48 PM

^ is that Sara the GF?

12/4/2008 6:32:07 PM

i think so.
when i looked at the thing this morning it said "in a relationship with sara-something"
now it just says "in a relationship"

god im a dork.

12/4/2008 6:34:07 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4076709/

it's now been confirmed it was that kid

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 6:46 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2008 6:44:14 PM

dizamn hare must have just turned 18

whew

good he got that murder out of the way while he was 17

ohhhh joe cheshire is the shit. gg rich girl's family. he did the duke lacrosse case and the arsenic poisoning lady case (she poisoned her husband) i think

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 6:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 6:46:10 PM

Quote :

"because it sounds dumb? and i think that is just the point..."news"?? facebook and myspace are "news"?? its freaking myspace and facebook."

but those forums allow the public to gain a peak in to the character and lives of those involved; which is what the public wants when it comes to a murder case--what were these people like? people wnat to make a connection. it may sound dumb on paper, but it is what it is...it's part of that person. and if a prosecutor or investigator would use what these kids put on the internet as some shred of evidence to the mind of the individual behind it (not saying that writing, listening or doing certain things makes a person a killer either), then a journalist should be able to use it too even if it sounds stupid. they could've found out the same "stupid" information if they didn't have myspace or facebook by asking their friends and family...it just would've taken longer to get the information.

12/4/2008 6:58:58 PM

i coulda been a juggalo.

i knew the lead guitarist of Slipknot, before he joined Slipknot.

i guess that makes me 1/8th juggalo. like first cousin once removed.

12/4/2008 7:00:32 PM

^^ but that still doesn't make it good journalism

12/4/2008 7:02:14 PM

but it's easy access to the person...they'll go out and do more interviews (if people will answer...and they always do more) about these kids' and their lives and report that. it's a start though, so you go with what you got...and you gotta start somewhere. might as well be something they put online.


i guess i'm seeing it from a paralegal perspective...which with what i do, i always kind of feel like i'm doing investigative journalism. i start searching the basics: criminal record, driving record, and any myspace/facebook pages. then i go from there. it's the easy route, as dumb or helpful as it may be, but it gets you started...

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 7:06 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 7:10 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2008 7:06:11 PM

a profile can be very telling, IMO. You choose what goes on there. You're representing yourself to the world and how you do that can show a lot about you.

12/4/2008 7:24:02 PM

The chick lives in my Mom's neighborhood. Thank god my Mom and Step-Dad just sold their house and are getting the fuck out of there. That place is a joke, don't get me started. I HATED going to visit.

12/4/2008 7:45:52 PM

Quote :

"Isn't that a Jack Handy quote from SNL?"

hahaha i knew i recognized that from somewhere.

deep thoughts with jack handy was funny shit.

12/4/2008 8:16:32 PM

^^ How so?

12/4/2008 8:28:35 PM

because gothic losers roam the streets at night ready to jump you with whining, bad poetry, and the occasional murder

12/4/2008 8:30:02 PM