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12/10/2008 8:49:36 PM
legalize everything.
12/10/2008 9:00:40 PM
This thread was good for a laff.Again, GoldenGirl amazes me with her ignorance. It is incredible.[Edited on December 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM. Reason : She's not the only one, just probably the dumbest.]
12/10/2008 9:27:35 PM
goldengirl is never right
12/10/2008 9:28:13 PM
Well, I think she might be right about her life being ruined (I mean, how much must it suck to be her?) but I'm sure it isn't because of the effects of weed.
12/10/2008 9:35:20 PM
It's not completely harmless, your lungs definitely take a hit...at least if you smoke. I'd like to know how marijuana ruined someone's life, though.
12/10/2008 9:50:30 PM
i met a guy who ran a hostel up in Lincoln, NH and he was able to get "medical" marijuana for his condition. Although it was illegal to have it in NH, he got it in mass or where ever it was legal to get his prescription filled.His vaporizer, if set at the right temperature, has very little effect on your lungs i any. can anyone enlighten me on the vaporizer?[Edited on December 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM. Reason : d]
12/10/2008 10:01:06 PM
karma is a bitch ronny but looks like karma has been a bitch to you since your whole life. Sorry I am not a pothead or that I do not sympathize with those who are.
12/10/2008 10:13:00 PM
Unless you smoke a fuckload of weed the smoke is not a health concernstop being pussies
12/10/2008 10:13:36 PM
lol
12/10/2008 10:16:40 PM
Move to Denver and smoke all you want!
12/10/2008 10:18:09 PM
I smoke all I want nowfuck baseless, draconian laws
12/10/2008 10:21:08 PM
I know a lot of potheads. I mean... a LOT, and none of them have ever gotten busted for weed. In fact, even the guys I know who deal or dealt haven't been busted for weed. None of my friends who smoked in high school, college, or even know as young professionals have ever been busted for pot. Aside from young black men who really gets busted for weed?
12/10/2008 10:22:50 PM
can i look down on potheads while supporting the legalization of it?because i do
12/10/2008 10:24:00 PM
12/10/2008 10:24:57 PM
12/10/2008 10:30:59 PM
12/11/2008 12:14:52 AM
12/11/2008 12:15:47 AM
^The truth, ambrosia1231, is that a lot of people are extrememly ignorant, extremely prejudiced, and extremely intolerant of marijuana and marijuana users. However, most intelligent people seem to know that that is just plain silly at best, and down-right harmful at worst.There are distinctly different philosophies about drug use, addiction, law, etc., and I don't think it's the least bit inappropriate to examine and rank these ideas in order of worth. GoldenGirl and others are at the bottom....clearly. They repeatedly demonstrate a lack of critical logic skills, and typically remain on a superficial emotional level.The problem with trolling about this and other sensitive issues, is that you give people like GoldenGirl an emotional sense of justification for their ignorant, prejudiced and intolerant views. That just worsens things.I don't expect a thread in Chit Chat to solve anything, that's for sure. However, I thought I would quote a few things for truth:
12/11/2008 9:07:58 AM
12/11/2008 9:22:48 AM
12/11/2008 9:28:43 AM
I'd also like to point out that most, if not all, studies that purport to show that smoking marijuana leads to disease are simply statistical analyses using prohibition-era data. In other words, there are impurities in some weed because it's completely unregulated. You could be smoking fertilizer, glue particles, dust, who knows? Studies purporting any claims that pot smoke is unhealthy should be completely ignored unless the study was done with lab-controlled 100% pure samples and smoked in a manner that didn't introduce any other variables. (No papers, no wooden pipes, no butane lighters, etc.)
12/11/2008 9:41:03 AM
12/11/2008 9:55:18 AM
my idea to shoot down 1. legalize it ( i do not smoke)2. Let the Governemnt tax the holy shit out of it (so i get paid more..)3. Only US Farmed weed can be used (so nobody can take ourrrr jeeeerbs... and help the economy?!)4. Continue the war on drugs to prevent drugs from being smugled into country (drug monoploly ftw.. mo money)5. Someone will abuse the system and screw it up for eveyone (mo money... mo problems)6. Weed will be outlawed... again (i wont care)[Edited on December 11, 2008 at 10:10 AM. Reason : .]
12/11/2008 10:06:53 AM
Incredible idea.Real original.
12/11/2008 10:10:52 AM
^^^It would be alcohol-related. Also, car-related, road-related, speed-related, massive-object-related, physics-related, trauma-related, motion-related, wheel-related, time-related, driving-skill-related, how-awake-you-are-related, how-responsible-you-are-with-alcohol-related, etc.It would not be an alcohol-caused death. Even dying from alcohol poisoning isn't an alcohol-caused death. Alcohol isn't the cause. An excessive amount of alcohol in your system is the cause. And that didn't happen on it's own. Either you voluntarily drank the alcohol, or someone forced it into you. Assuming the former, it's your actions (and/or lack of actions,) that are the cause of the poisoning. It's your [irresponsible] decision making and acting on those decisions that are the cause of the death.Anyone who defends guns likely knows all about the confusion surrounding claims of [non-sentient] objects being capable of causing harm or death.
12/11/2008 10:15:13 AM
i thought i wasn't that weed was non toxic, just that the ld50 is high enough that you'd have to do something crazy like inject a shit ton of thc directly to the blood stream to die from it
12/11/2008 10:18:20 AM
12/11/2008 10:32:44 AM
12/11/2008 10:37:00 AM
12/11/2008 10:57:43 AM
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/2019858/
12/11/2008 10:59:20 AM
^^^^^
12/11/2008 11:01:02 AM
...continued...
12/11/2008 11:01:35 AM
i wanna be a pothead
12/11/2008 11:47:31 AM
everybody in this thread who claimed pot users amount to nothing are basically jacklegs themselvesgg
12/11/2008 5:31:30 PM
I know a lot of worthless potheads, but I think it's a correlation and not a causation. They were probably destined to amount to nothing at a very young age and decided sometime after that to smoke pot constantly.The only negative attribute I associate with marijuana is that it binds strongly to the estrogen receptors in the body, which can have some negative side effects in men. From what I've read, the molecule that specifically competes with estradiol in the body isn't even psychoactive, so scientists could potentially develop strains that didn't even contain the molecule with estrogenic activities. Unfortunately, this type of research is not going to happen in the US under the current drug laws.
12/13/2008 10:59:18 AM
another thread full of pothead lobbyistswhy bother reading
12/13/2008 11:07:35 AM
12/13/2008 11:09:02 AM
12/13/2008 11:12:39 AM
Weed is so fucking white trash - grow up and do some blow like the rest of the adults.
12/13/2008 11:22:16 AM
i simply cannot help but wonder, after seeing the kind of negative image pot was given by the state, if , perhaps, maybe meth or crack really aren't that bad. it's a huge black eye for the trustworthiness of our officials every time it's legalization is shot downbut i dont smoke because I can't handle chemicals of any sort. I can get goofy on seltzer water i bet
12/13/2008 12:21:20 PM
12/13/2008 12:45:51 PM
I know several highly successful people that smoke weed, and partaking does not hinder the chase for their goals in life. Most of them are college graduates and some of them have high paying jobs just like myself. Marijuana does not hinder us from doing great things. If you give up the chase for your dreams, then it will be your own doing, and not some plants. There are many more people out there that drink too much, fail at school/life, and end up making nothing of themselves, that fly well under the proverbial radar. At the end of the day, people will believe what they want too about Marijuana, but I challenge anyone to convincingly and scientifically argue that alcohol is indeed less harmful to humanity, than little old pot. It cannot be done. Any logical and reasonable person will attest that this knowledge in-and-of-itself is compelling evidence for the legalization or decriminalization of Marijuana. If that is not possible, then it is only fair by rule to then make alcohol illegal.[Edited on December 13, 2008 at 1:58 PM. Reason : -]
12/13/2008 1:43:01 PM
what a wonderful thread[Edited on December 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM. Reason : addictive != habitual ( theres a huge fucking difference )]
12/13/2008 2:01:46 PM
12/13/2008 5:41:01 PM
Alcohol is exponentially more harmful to humanity than Marijuana. When comparing the drugs potential to harm, you should consider worst case scenario situations, including overdosing and prolonged/chronic usage. Granted, with moderate usage, Alcohol is not lethal and can improve some heart conditions. However, Marijuana has medicinal purposes that do not depend on a certain dosage and can never be lethal. Furthermore, that is not really addressing the overall point, which is to measure the potential harmful effects of each drug. When following suit, you will find that alcohol is indeed more harmful to humanity than pot could ever dream of being. It is important to consider all the factors and situations, not just select situations when assessing the entirety of a substance.-If you are sufficiently dependent on Alcohol and experience a sudden withdrawal as opposed to a gradual detox, it can actually kill you.-Obviously, Alcohol poisoning/overdosing will kill you.-There is absolutely no comparison to Marijuana in regards to either case, on any scale. You cannot die from withdrawal or die from overdosing. Both of these factors drastically reduce the harmfulness of the substance by any standard. It is clear that Alcohol is a much more harmful legal drug compared to little old illegal pot when compared side by side and taking into account all scenarios. Therefore, Marijuana is indeed less harmful to humanity than Alcohol. When carefully accessing both substances, any argument suggesting that Alcohol is less harmful than Marijuana is scientifically ridiculous.[Edited on December 13, 2008 at 7:10 PM. Reason : -]
12/13/2008 6:48:35 PM
You can't just highlight the dangers of alcohol without looking at the benefits of alcohol. Alcohol has medicinal effects that can benefit nearly anyone. alcohol consumption has been shown to raise HDL levels in the body and reduce hypertension. Moderate alcohol consumption also fights off Type II diabetes, hypertension, the common cold, etc. Scientific testing has proven that people who consume alcohol live longer and healthier lives, suffer from less heart attacks and strokes, and are more likely to survive a heart attack if they do have one. Alcohol can help with improved memory cognition and also reduce the effects of mental deterioration such as dementia and Alzheimers. Alcohol helps maintain healthy kidneys and helps fight off rheumatoid arthritis. The list of heath benefits from alcohol seems to continue endlessly.The majority of touters for medical marijuana usage are focused on chronic pain relief, with a handful of other benefits such as glaucoma relief and appetite increase thrown in occasionally. These are good uses for marijuana if they are truly treated by the drug, and I'm pretty sure the appetite increase could be very beneficial for people such as AIDS patients or people with muscle wasting diseases. However, these medical uses aren't something that the majority of humanity need as much as some of the global health benefits of alcohol usage.Also, you can't just make blanket statements about the potentially fatal side effects of alcohol make the drug a bigger curse on humanity than pot. A person that spends every waking moment of their life stoned off their ass isn't any better than a person who spends every waking moment getting drunk. If anything, I would give the upper hand to alcohol in this situation because alcohol will eventually kill off it's worthless dependents and prevent them from becoming a burden to the rest of humanity. You can't just prioritize what is beneficial to humanity by focusing on how safe they are in an abuse situation. Maybe you want to live in a Nanny State that only allows people to do things that have no potential for harm, but I'd at least like to think that the majority of humanity is capable of protecting themselves on their own.
12/14/2008 10:44:34 AM
http://www.theantidrug.org/advice/shulginuniv.htmlAlexander Shulgin - Lecture at the University. anyone who is interested in the current state of the war on drugs and what it is doing to our nation will find this as a good read.
12/14/2008 10:53:02 AM
^^ exactly which is what we are living in now a nanny stateDrugs are illegal because people might abuse them, yet alcohol and tobacco, the latter of which i've never heard be good for anything other than giving you cancer. Tobacco should be outlawed based on the fact that it falls under all 3 requirements to be a schedule 1 drugfrom wikipedia 1. The drug or other substance has high potential for abuse. 2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. 3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.how many people do you know of that have to have a smoke, name me the medical treatments its used for(or atleast show me where health officials have said the medicinal purposes outweigh the bad effects), and again dr's all over the place are telling people not to smoke cigarettsand how many people do you know of who abuse alcohol. the requirements for schedule 2 follow# The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.# The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions.# Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependencemany people abuse alcohol, i'd say it has a pretty high potential for abuse, it can be used for medicinal purposes in the right dosage, and people can die from withdrawl i'd say thas a pretty severe physical dependencebasically if we want to keep pot on schedule 1 then we should schedule the 2 practically non restricted(you only have to be of age) legal drugs accordingly[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 11:05 AM. Reason : .]
12/14/2008 11:04:44 AM
smoke em up
12/14/2008 11:19:42 AM