wat

I didn't know it was after taxes....

[Edited on April 30, 2009 at 12:33 PM. Reason : i'm a dope]

4/30/2009 12:33:18 PM

yeah this is a "pay cut" meaning we aren't earning that money so why would you tax money that we aren't earning... shitty shitty shitty... I think Gov Perdue is about to get an email from me... I don't give a rats ass who the hell she is... I am not afraid to speak my mind...

bev.perdue@nc.gov

[Edited on April 30, 2009 at 12:46 PM. Reason : klsdjf]

4/30/2009 12:42:35 PM

since no one will read my post on the last page:
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my wife was sent this:

Quote :

"Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:19 AM To: Anesthesiology Dept Subject: Flexible Furlough Program I just want to point something out to everyone since the state has not mentioned it and no one else has either. 0.5% annualized deduction 1. This is after taxes 2. Because it is after taxes it will be classified as income that you will have to declare as income on your 2009 tax returns. What does this mean? 1. If you make 30,000 a year the state will take out $150 from your net pay spread out over the next 2 months. 2. This $150 is after taxes which means you have already paid between 21 and 23 percent. This is roughly $33. 3. Now since this is declared as income you will have to declare it on your federal and state income tax returns for 2009. So this may result in an extra $7.50 4. So the total cost based on $30,000 salary is roughly $190.50."

Ok, if the state is taking away $150 how in the world is it declared as income?

This makes no sense.

4/30/2009 12:49:08 PM

oh it your post was seen... I am working on writing her an email as I type this...

4/30/2009 1:05:08 PM

Is there a source for that aside from the email your wife received? Has anyone seen this anywhere other than here?

I'm curious b/c WRAL had 3-4 different versions of what the exec. order actually entailed, they seemed to be just writing whatever the hell they wanted without doing any fact checking. I'd hate for everyone to get their panties in a bunch to find out this person doesn't have the facts straight.


Just got this:
http://www.ncsu.edu/bulletin/archive/2009/04/04-30/cost-cutting.php

http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/rm/budget_central/documents/BudgetReductionPlan0910.pdf

[Edited on April 30, 2009 at 1:21 PM. Reason : links]

4/30/2009 1:15:28 PM

Oh that's the whole point of my post. I'm thinking its someone who doesn't have their facts straight. I know a lot of folks work for the state, so y'all would have more info on this than me.

^ Thanks i'll read those dox.

EDIT: nothing in there about how the money will be deducted. This is interesting:

1. All teachers and state employees’ compensation will be reduced by an annualized amount
equivalent to 0.5% over the remainder of the fiscal year. Full-time employees will be
credited with 10 hours flexible time off. Non full-time employees will receive a pro-rated
portion of flexible time off.

I'm can pretty much guarantee that medical residents will lose the money but not get even a minute of flex time.

[Edited on April 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM. Reason : update]

4/30/2009 1:31:02 PM

the docs i linked to concern more cuts, namely layoffs at NCSU.

4/30/2009 1:34:50 PM

security officer at work was pretty upset that special education funding isn't being reduced while his wifes salary was going down .5%

4/30/2009 1:36:33 PM

^^^ that stuff about the pro-rated hrs was/is in the exec. order. Another question about that is teachers. When we they get their 10hrs off? If a teacher takes off, they have pay a substitute to be there. The only thing that would make sense to me is maybe force them to take the time during in-service days or something.

[Edited on April 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2009 1:53:18 PM

^Talking to my principal, we kind of assumed the only way we could do it is to close down school on a teacher workday and after a half day. That way you get the couple hours in on a half day of class and then just turn the workday into a mandatory day off so we can shut the lights off and save some electricity. Otherwise it is a waste to give the teachers 10 hours without having to pay for a sub for them.

4/30/2009 4:03:19 PM

Bobby

that email is straight up retarded... the only way they can do this is by reducing employee's gross pay which is before taxes. therefore the taxes paid will be slightly reduced. for example (numbers completely made up for illustration)

you make $1000 per paycheck, and pay $200 in taxes your net paycheck is $800

with this furlough you now make $950, and pay $190 in taxes, your net pay check is 760

5/1/2009 12:05:04 AM

Quote :

"not only is my pay (which was agreed upon when i signed my contract) being decreased for the rest of the year, I have to PAY BACK money that I have already earned during the previous 9 months"

Justin, if you think it's that unfair then sue the State for what you feel you are rightfully entitled for. Otherwise quit whining like a little bitch about an insignificant amount of money and be thankful you're not taking the same losses as other people.

5/1/2009 12:35:03 AM

i would think he would have a very easy case to win if he indeed did sign a legally binding contract which included the payrate that he would receive. just because others have it worse doesn't mean he should be happy with the situation, it sucks.

5/1/2009 12:55:56 AM

Quote :

"Justin, if you think it's that unfair then sue the State for what you feel you are rightfully entitled for. Otherwise quit whining like a little bitch about an insignificant amount of money and be thankful you're not taking the same losses as other people."

1. Don't call me justin. I don't know you personally (that i know of), and my username on here is "Smath74" and that will be sufficient on this site. In real life, feel free to use my name.

2. It is not going to hurt me personally a whole lot, as I am prepared for things like this, but it will make it very difficult for some teachers who were relying on their last paycheck to help them last through the summer.

3. I'd rather the state cut unnecessary jobs and expenses than cut pay. I don't want to lose mine, but this would be the perfect opportunity for the state to get rid of the dead weight that works in some agencies. I've dealt with certain state agencies enough to know that there are many people who are good state employees, but also there are people who have been shifted and moved (instead of fired) because they couldn't handle the workload they previously had. This would be the perfect time to get rid of those people.

[Edited on May 1, 2009 at 11:33 PM. Reason : ]

5/1/2009 11:32:24 PM

As a state employee, I wish I could elaborate on what Smath says...but the man speaketh the truth.

5/2/2009 12:12:42 AM

as a state employee and resident, I think you're both taking a narrow view. Increasing the already high unemployment rate of NC would be bad for everyone. Not just the folks who would lose those jobs.

Losing the money sucks, especially for those just getting by, but the impact isn't as bad/far reaching as laying people off.

5/2/2009 1:50:02 AM

Ha ha I found out today that there will be another 20% in the State's budget... Better hold on tight, its gonn' be a bumpy ride...

5/12/2009 11:59:53 AM

source?

5/12/2009 12:37:55 PM

Well this was coming from my boss... He talked to some people over at UNC and then talked to people at NCSU to confirm this. But I think these cuts will more likely be more contract employees... Possibly more furloughs.

I had a feeling this was going to be a waterfall effect... Its going to keep coming... :-(

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 12:43 PM. Reason : sdfg]

5/12/2009 12:42:53 PM

This should make you even more happy knowing more cuts are coming

http://tinyurl.com/ojojqw

Quote :

" $2 million for an Agriculture Research Service Food Nutrition Center at North Carolina Research Campus in Kannapolis $400,000 for NCSU’s sustainable aquaculture program $500,000 for UNCW’s mariculture program $500,000 for NCSU’s crop pathogen program $325,000 for NCSU’s wood utilization research program $300,000 for the North Carolina Department of Agriculture’s Multi-hazard Threat Database program $300,000 for Cary’s police department technology improvementsCary doesn't have enough of it's own scratch? $1 million for ECU’s Ocean Research Priorities Plan for the Carolinas $750,000 for Methodist University’s methamphetamine educational training program $250,000 for the city of Greenville’s 800mhz radio system $750,000 for UNCW’s Aquarius Reef Base Research Station $750,000 for the Textile/Clothing Technology Corporations research, educational, and technology transfer program $950,000 for the city of Rocky Mount’s gunshot location system WTF? $600,000 for the city of Monroe’s radio interoperability system $225,000 for the town of Mooresville’s in-car camera project $6 million for UNC’s Southeast Regional Climate Center $1 million for the cities of Concord and Kannapolis’s regional radio upgrade plan $1 million for Charlotte’s gang of one program $2 million for Fayetteville’s regional public safety communications system $365,000 for Wake County’s public safety infrastructure and interoperability expansion $450,000 for the city of Wilson’s gang prevention initiative "

5/12/2009 12:45:40 PM

Rocky Mount is so shitty they need a gunshot locator. Hell, even working for the electric company you can count them off, "Fuse, fuse, gunshot".

5/12/2009 1:06:55 PM

since my salary is paid 100% by a federal grant, i'm hoping that this will ultimately not affect me

after all, it's not the state's money (though it does filter through there) and i don't think they have any right to claim any of it...that said, i get state benefits, so i don't know how that works

i know there are some faculty members that are royally pissed about federal and private grant monies being taken

5/12/2009 2:09:41 PM

Quote :

"$300,000 for Cary’s police department technology improvementsCary doesn't have enough of it's own scratch?"

Not only that, but if you're going to spend on police technology improvements, why do it in such a low crime area? What technology do they need when 99% of their job involves writing speeding tickets?

5/12/2009 2:22:33 PM

^ Obviously they need more red light camera to further increase revenue.

5/12/2009 2:27:14 PM

I hear other state systems are cutting even more than we are... Some states are as high as 40% cuts

Is this depression like symptoms? See I was never living in the 1940s when our last one happened...

5/12/2009 3:26:54 PM

Quote :

"Ha ha I found out today that there will be another 20% in the State's budget... Better hold on tight, its gonn' be a bumpy ride"

Another 20% on top of the 10%? I dont buy it. Sounds like more rumor mill crap.

5/12/2009 3:35:45 PM

I think thats the total... I am pretty sure it's not on top of the 10% I am sorry that was a bit misleading...

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM. Reason : sdfas]

5/12/2009 3:43:34 PM

^^^

'30s
crash happened in '29

5/12/2009 4:07:59 PM

i may have to sacrifice my part-timer on an altar to get the gods to prevent this

5/12/2009 5:48:45 PM

Quote :

"Is this depression like symptoms? See I was never living in the 1940s when our last one happened..."

[what number should I put here?]( :carlface: )

5/12/2009 6:20:13 PM

Quote :

"Not only that, but if you're going to spend on police technology improvements, why do it in such a low crime area? What technology do they need when 99% of their job involves writing speeding tickets?"

And raiding local poker games with the Swat team... Who knows how much that cost?

5/13/2009 11:14:16 AM

Don't worry guys. They're working on changing the $0.299/g gas tax from being the maximum to being the new minimum so they're sure to have plenty-o-cash to dispense anywhere they want to here shortly.

Oh. Also saw this today and wondered what the situation here in NC was:

http://tinyurl.com/qclqk7

Except here they'd probably buy them even more soda.

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 11:39 AM. Reason : -tinyurl]

5/13/2009 11:38:18 AM

good, i'm glad they ARE taxing gas more

my scoot gets 100mpg and the motorcycle gets about 80mpg...when i'm forced to drive the car when it's raining or too cold, i get 35mpg on average

they can triple or quadruple the gas tax for all i care

5/13/2009 12:06:47 PM

Quote :

"I'm can pretty much guarantee that medical residents will lose the money but not get even a minute of flex time. "

Jesus, are you serious? They're applying this to residents? The hospital is most likely already profiting from having those anesthesia residents, and now they're going to dock the (already low) salary as well?

The U of Maryland system has implemented furloughs for attendings, but it hasn't impacted us at this point. Of course, our physicians are in the same boat--pay gets cut, but they aren't allowed to take the days off because it would impact patient care.

Quote :

"Ha ha I found out today that there will be another 20% in the State's budget... Better hold on tight, its gonn' be a bumpy ride... "

I've heard 20% from someone I know on the UNC faculty as well. Thought it was just the university budget rather than the state as a whole, though, and I think it does include the earlier cut estimates.

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 2:09 PM. Reason : ]

5/13/2009 1:59:20 PM

quagmire02 the furloughs/cuts apply to grant money as well, don't know how they are technically doing it, since the money doesn't belong to the state at all, but nothing stops Bev from ripping us off...

5/14/2009 11:53:54 AM

are you sure it applies to direct grants that aren't from the state?

I'm sure it applies to state grants, that's pretty much a no brainer as to how they can do that. But there are also pass through grants. Which even though they don't ultimately come from the state, they're given to the state first. And I could see them having a legitimate claim to some of that as well.

5/14/2009 2:36:26 PM

Quote :

"'30s crash happened in '29"

oops looks like I missed that one by a decade

5/14/2009 2:53:18 PM

The ass-rape just got harder and deeper.
http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/rm/budget_central/documents/ContinuedBudgetPlanning2009-2010.pdf
The university has been planning on a 7% budget cut due to the poor economy. However, at a meeting today that number changed to to an 18% permanent budget cut. This number is derived from the current budget being developed by the NC legislature (House version).

5/28/2009 5:07:38 PM

^ I saw that. Legislature is really fucked up now to do that. BOG for the UNC system wasnt even that bad.

5/29/2009 6:40:09 PM

Fuck raising the gas tax. I'd rather have that soda tax. I hardly ever drink soda anyway. Let fat people pay more instead of just car people.

5/29/2009 8:18:03 PM

Diet soda exemption?

5/29/2009 8:29:06 PM

^^We could tax people based on BMI.

5/29/2009 8:34:25 PM

Body fat percentage would be better. BMI is a crappy judge whether you're in shape or not.

5/29/2009 8:38:19 PM

well, they are cutting some state health care options based on obesity and smoking. Those folks won't have the option of taking the 80/20 plan. Just the 70/30. Which I'm OK with to be honest. I think the only exceptions should be people with some type of medical condition that causes obesity or weight control issues.

Heard a rumor, and just a rumor, today that they're considering a 10 DAY furlough. Again, it's just a rumor I heard. Has anyone else heard the same?

6/3/2009 3:02:47 PM

Quote :

""Effective 07/01/2010, members must attest that he/she or covered dependents do not use tobacco products. If so, the member may only opt for the PPO Basic (70/30) plan. Effective 07/01/2011, members must attest that their weight and height ratio is within an evidence-based determined range If not, the member may only opt for the PPO Basic (70/30) plan. ""

posted about a month ago...

6/3/2009 3:13:49 PM

so they have more than 2 years to get into shape

WELL, THEN

6/3/2009 3:19:57 PM

okay, so I'm a grad student making squat and they're furloughing me. Not only that, but my stipend is paid by a fellowship from Monsanto. WTF IS UP WITH THAT!!!?!?!?!?!?

7/13/2009 10:55:13 PM

what is monsanto?

7/14/2009 12:02:56 AM

What is monsanto? Seriously?

They're a massive global GMO company that sells seeds that are sterile and supposedly have higher yields than "normal" seeds. They make their money off of peasant farmers in countries like India.

They work in other fields as well, but that's probably their most well-known and controversial work (the agricultural work in producing staple crop seeds that are supposed to be superior to what farmers can get their hands on through normal means).

I also didn't see this link posted in here since it was updated in mid june, so here it is:

http://www.ncsu.edu/budget/university-budget/budget-message-from-chancellor-woodward/

Quote :

"NC State is planning for budget cuts in response to the state’s financial challenges. Although NC State is doing everything that it can to avoid affecting students’ progress towards their degrees, the university cannot absorb cuts without affecting classes and courses. (I.E. some of you will have to come back and pay tuition for another semester and take one class) We want to help students, their families, and the public to understand the extraordinary efforts we are taking to protect classes and courses, and, despite those efforts, the subsequent impacts of budget cuts. The faculty, staff, and administration of the university are committed to providing excellent and affordable higher education. Included among the steps we are taking to protect students’ access to higher education are: * Teaching more courses; some are volunteering to teach more classes, and some are replacing efforts in research, extension, and administration with instructional activities. * Increasing available spaces in existing classes by moving some classes to larger rooms, and adding additional spaces to traditional courses via distance education technology. * Replacing traditional courses with courses offered via distance education or in summer sessions. * Replacing elective courses and seminars with additional sections of courses required by degree programs. * Reducing non-teaching staff before teaching faculty and reducing or eliminating non-instructional expenditures. Although our extraordinary efforts have rescued or created thousands of additional spaces for students, budget reductions will still have significant, negative consequences. Included among those consequences are: * A net loss of hundreds of classes and thousands of available spaces for students; that is, the number of classes and available spaces lost to cuts will be much larger than the number rescued or restored. * Reduced course availability, which will slow students’ progress towards their degrees, increase the number of semesters needed to graduate, and delay students’ entry into their careers. * Larger classes, resulting in higher student/faculty ratios. * Less student support for academic advising, scholarships and honors, study abroad, labs, field trips, library, security, recruitment, diversity, and other support services and enhancements. * Increased costs to students in the form of distance education and summer school fees. * Fewer opportunities for student research, and reductions or elimination of courses and seminars addressing advanced, emergent, or current topics. * Reduced funding for graduate students, which will reduce our research productivity. * Reduced faculty productivity in research, extension, and engagement activities, which ultimately lowers the national rankings of our academic programs. We do not want to alarm students, their families, or the public—but we feel it is imperative that all stakeholders understand the extraordinary steps NC State is taking to mitigate budget cuts, and the consequences of budget cuts on the university."

That they are laying it out so plainly makes me really worried about how badly this is going to affect things at the university. Does anybody have a link to a breakdown of where the state gets its money? I mean, tuition got hiked and state funding got cut, but I don't know how NCSU's budget breaks down based on where the money comes from and I'm curious.

[Edited on July 14, 2009 at 1:15 AM. Reason : ]

7/14/2009 1:14:16 AM

I'm not sure what you're asking exactly. At one point you're asking where the state gets money, and then you ask about where NCSU's budget comes from.

If it's the latter you're interested in:

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that all funds that come to NCSU (regardless of where they come from and including student fees and some types of grants) belong to the state. And the state can distribute those funds as they see fit.

So if that's the case, I'm not sure it really matters where the money comes from. It all belongs to the state of NC.

7/14/2009 10:34:21 AM