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4/29/2009 12:58:23 PM

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"isn't CAM where the mech let a friend test drive a customer's corvette and he wrecked it? "

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"if I remember right it was more like either an employee or an employees friend took the car home for the wknd and managed to wreck it and then the owner of CAM repeatedly lied about it to the owner and on the boards. he had like 4 different stories before it was all over with"

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4/29/2009 2:33:49 PM

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"Well it looks like he's picked the right people to pull guns on so far. I can't imagine not shooting the man if he put me in such a situation and I were able."

LOL? Do you seriously think you are going to pistol whip him if he pulls a gun on you? haha

4/29/2009 5:40:14 PM

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"Do you seriously think you are going to pistol whip him if he pulls a gun on you?"

Pistol whipping an armed attacker sounds like a really stupid way to use your gun, but hey if you're into that kind of thing then go for it. Can't say I see you survivin' though......


SON.

4/30/2009 1:34:03 PM

^the only thing I see you doing when someone pulls a gun on you is pleading for your life.

/theend

4/30/2009 3:47:21 PM

Road House son.....

ROAD HOUSE....

SON...

4/30/2009 4:03:36 PM

*crickets*

4/30/2009 4:46:16 PM

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"Soon all my foreign friends will bow to American muscle "

Well, I don't think an argument against the LSx engines would have any merit. There are aspects of the C5 that I like a lot, the main one being the engine. However, there are too many things that I don't care for, such as it's sheer size, and build quality. I also very strongly dislike the steering feel. In fact, there isn't any. It's heavy, and there's a complete lack of feed back. In either case, I feel lucky to have owned it, particularly while I also have the 911, as I get to compare them on a daily basis, which gives me greater appreciation for both cars.

Alas, the plan was always to sell it as soon as I had the title. Basically a month long test drive. Along the way I'm fixing the things that needed attention when I bought the car. Over all, I like the car a lot, I just don't want to own it. It would be cool to put it on track once, and I might do that if the 911 is not ready for the Alfa event in 2 weeks, but I just broke down and ordered the rest of the suspension for it. The vette would need at a bare minimum some brakes, and I'm running out of $ I'm comfortable spending on these projects. If I do go there though, I'll be sure to get some pics!

5/1/2009 2:07:27 AM

the vette will be just fine with a decent set of pads. i think you'd be missing out if you sell it before putting it on the track at least once. the complaints like size and build quality (which 90% of people agree with, btw) tend to fall away when the impressive stock performance is experienced. no doubt it's a trade off for some things, but that's part of what an american sports car is about and the personality of it. sheer power, not so graceful execution.

5/1/2009 2:13:37 AM

^yeah, you HAVE to take it out at least once!

5/1/2009 7:28:29 AM

I would have to agree with ahmet. The raw power was a lot of fun but the steering felt horrible. Not a car I would want to own.

5/1/2009 11:41:47 AM

ROAD HOUSE....

(Oh no, a shytebox that's fast. Better pistol whip it with a loaded gun.....)

5/1/2009 12:04:42 PM

How many miles are on the vette? Are all the bushings and shocks in good shape? It'd be pretty silly to compare a stock 100k+ vette w/ a 911 w/ fresh performance suspension on it.

New bushings and shocks can do wonders for feel. Not that it'll probably ever feel as good as a 911 but it should be just fine.

How would you compare the vette and 911 feel to the E36 M3? How are the steering ratios on the two? Personally, i like the slower, but tight rack on the M3. I like being able to dial in exact steering angles and for it to not be super twitchy. I actually think the steering on my gf's Jeep Grand Cherokee is ridiculously tight whenever i drive it. There is def such a thing as too tight of steering imo.

5/1/2009 12:40:56 PM

^^dude seriously were you dropped on your head as a baby?

5/1/2009 1:31:43 PM

^^while i'm sure some new parts would definitely help, even brand new c5 steering was pretty soft (very low effort) and doesn't give much feedback compared to other sports cars. it is a quick ratio though, and responds very well with small amounts of driver input. the end result of all that can make it very easy to oversteer and over correct. it really comes down to an issue of personal preference in my opinion. i can definitely see why someone driving one for the first time wouldn't like it. once you get the hang of it though, it's silly how easy it is to flick one around.

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"There is def such a thing as too tight of steering imo."

agreed. some people seem to think the more you have to muscle a steering wheel around the better it is. doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.

[Edited on May 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM. Reason : .]

5/1/2009 3:26:36 PM

OK, so let me set a few things clear to interpret my post with:

Slow vs. Fast shall refer to steering ratio --> How many degrees the front wheels will turn on average (since due to ackerman the inside will turn in more than the outside) per degree of turn of the steering wheel.

Heavy vs. Light shall refer to steering assist amount from the power steering pressure difference (between the inside and outside of the steering rack).

OK, the 911 has variable ratio steering, it's slightly slower in the center. It does not feel like the M3 nor the Corvette has variable ratio steering, but I may be wrong. If they are variable ratio, they are not pronounced.

All these cars also have variable steering assist as well.

Anyway, so the 911 has the best steering of any car I've driven. Good tires improve the feel, as does stiffer suspension, however many would think it was over boosted/over assisted. This is not my impression, I don't necessarily mind heavy steering, but only if it is accompanied by good feed back as well. The 911's steering ratio is faster than the M3s, the Corvette's is (much) faster still, in fact I think it's too fast. Fast steering can be an advantage when correcting for over steer, but in general it is not quite as precise. The Corvette also runs far less caster, so it doesn't want to center itself. The 911 does this exceedingly well, and the M3 is almost bar none, though achieves this without much caster. It's the most fun to oversteer car I've ever driven (the e36, e46 is also pretty good). I say this from my impressions from almost a dozen 911s of various backgrounds, and ditto for the M3s, however I've only driven a hand full of Corvettes, and only mine quite hard so far.

Bushings and the suspension is in amazing shape in my car. Everything looks fresh, no cracks in the rubber, etc. It has 135k highway miles, though it was quite well maintained. I will post more later.

5/1/2009 7:22:44 PM

e36 m3s and up have variable steering ratios

5/1/2009 8:25:38 PM

awesome, i'd love to drive them both back to back.

5/1/2009 8:32:25 PM

or drive them both off a cliff

5/2/2009 10:43:40 PM

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"^^dude seriously were you dropped on your head as a baby?"

AND WHEN A MAN STICKS A GUN IN YOUR FACE YOU'VE GOT TWO CHOICES....


DIE......


OR KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER.....




(ROAD HOUSE)

5/4/2009 1:29:56 PM

take some pics of the beast

5/4/2009 9:40:41 PM

Oh my, it can get pretty sideways in the wet. It's nice to be able to hold a slide however long you want... And yes, the fast steering does come in pretty handy.

5/4/2009 9:48:05 PM

grow some fucking biceps and drive any car u want amiright? steering assist bitch paaalease.

[Edited on May 4, 2009 at 10:44 PM. Reason : ]

5/4/2009 10:43:19 PM

someone must be jealous because their metro doesn't have power steering

5/5/2009 7:58:05 AM

Whose metro?

CHU METRO?

5/5/2009 10:42:22 AM

YOU CALLIN ME A METRO SON?

5/7/2009 1:30:32 PM

It feels like a different car after getting it detailed:

I do kinda like it, I'm not going to lie. I may be working on a way to get it up to VIR for at least a few laps this weekend. Pictures will follow.

But hey, anybody looking for one, or knows somebody looking for one. I'm asking $12.9k, I can work in a finders fee too. Help a brother get his GT3!

5/10/2009 11:25:36 PM

Naw son.

I'd buy some of your shitboxes if I had the time son, but I don't son.

Naw son.

5/11/2009 10:45:59 AM

WHEN ARE YOU GUYS HIRING, I'M AS SERIOUS AS A 7 LITER V EIGHT

5/11/2009 6:33:54 PM

So, I have a guy who wants to buy it for $11k. on Monday, so there goes hopes of making money on the C5.

Alas, I'm frustrated w/the 911 and will be taking the Corvette up to VIR tomorrow. I guess I have to, there was only one 3.5 + liter vehicle at the track today (at 3.6 liters eheh), I will be THE only other person...

It's not often anymore that I have a notably fast car compared to the field at track events any more. This should be an ego booster, ha.

5/16/2009 11:44:52 PM

did the corvette sell?

5/18/2009 11:28:34 PM

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"a guy who wants to buy it for $11k. on Monday, so there goes hopes of making money on the C5."

I dont know how much you paid, and i dont care but at $11K you are losing money.

5/19/2009 12:21:52 AM

not really. early c5's are cheap. 97's-98's sell for 10-12k fairly regularly.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 12:24 AM. Reason : .]

5/19/2009 12:23:55 AM

meh true but its that more liked version if you will. and frankly i wouldnt buy a car in that price range, I knew I would sell cause I dont like it and only try to fetch $1000 for it. Not saying im a pro, but if he sat on the car long enough and didnt take it to track days, that car would get about another 2500-3k out of it, granted it was marketed right. I could be wrong but thats just the way its been in my experience.

5/19/2009 12:39:06 AM

wtf are you rambling about, corky?

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 12:43 AM. Reason : we should all listen to the guy that buys his rides from walmart]

5/19/2009 12:43:12 AM

better than losing money

5/19/2009 12:44:50 AM

oh, right... i forgot you're his PERSONAL FUCKING ACCOUNTANT and know exactly what he paid.

5/19/2009 12:50:06 AM

pics of the window sticker, and what he paid for EVERYTHING will do the rest of this thread justice. Im not accountant by any means. your call outs suck man

5/19/2009 12:53:38 AM

pics of the window sticker? what in the blue fuck for?? again, this is not buying a barbie bike from walmart. negotiations are allowed.

5/19/2009 1:01:42 AM

pics of the window sticker, dealers price

pics of other paperwork to see how much he accutaly paid. haggle/just paid advertising cost, plus doc fees and other retarded shit from a dealer.

dont know why im even bothering with you.

just want to see what happens with this car.

5/19/2009 1:13:19 AM

I have to say the vette is an impressive machine.

My impressions (on track during a downpour);
Surprising amount of traction, particularly for acceleration. I was very surprised by this. Decent brake feel, pretty good natured chassis behaviour, predictable break away. Very little understeer. Mostly tail happy. Cons are cumbersome dynamics/lack of nimbleness owing to long wheelbase, and complete lack of steering feel.
I still have it, I don't think I'll loose money on it, though may not make anything meaningfull either.

5/19/2009 1:20:39 AM

I think you should stay with the vette. the parts to make it handle better are all over the place. Keep it as a nice weekend car/track car

5/19/2009 9:11:34 AM

This is Ahmet. All he ever drives are weekend cars... Come on... Pay attention!

5/19/2009 9:13:26 AM

lol guess youre right

5/19/2009 9:46:46 AM

I think anyone giving him advice to stay with the vette is an idiot.

5/19/2009 10:34:16 AM

5/19/2009 10:16:28 PM

I think I will end up as a member of this thread sooner or later. Probably later...I don't plan on dropping any real coin on a car in the next year or so.

5/19/2009 10:44:08 PM

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"pics of the window sticker, dealers price pics of other paperwork to see how much he accutaly paid. haggle/just paid advertising cost, plus doc fees and other retarded shit from a dealer. dont know why im even bothering with you. just want to see what happens with this car."

why do you even care so much? it's none of your fucking business.

oh wait, i forgot... there are some people like you that have to live/dream vicariously through others since you'll never be able to afford such and EXPENSIVE vehicle.

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"I think anyone giving him advice to stay with the vette is an idiot."

blah blah you're just angry that there's an american car ruining your love affair with all things gran turismo, need for speed, or fast and furious.

speaking of, how's that dreamy gtr stacking up these days? tired of getting raped by vipers and vettes yet? just when you thought it might get better, gm went and unveiled the 2010's... OH MY.

5/19/2009 11:52:11 PM

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"blah blah you're just angry that there's an american car ruining your love affair with all things gran turismo, need for speed, or fast and furious. speaking of, how's that dreamy gtr stacking up these days? tired of getting raped by vipers and vettes yet? just when you thought it might get better, gm went and unveiled the 2010's... OH MY."

Umm....what? That made no sense at all. I drove the vette and still think its a giant piece of shit. So no, this american car isn't ruining my love affair of other cars. And also, last I checked...vette's and american cars were in Gran Turismo, NFS, and fast and furious. *shrug*

And I haven't been raped by a viper or vette yet. I'm guessing the Viper was just thrown in there for comic relief?

And as far as the GTR...its stacking very nicely actually.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=134467

Granted the ZR-1 has some serious power, but for that kind of money you'd think you would get something more than a $20,000 chevy interior. Their description of driving the ZR-1 sadly is the same feeling I got driving ahmet's C5...only thing fun about it was getting on the throttle.

5/20/2009 12:31:18 AM

It did not sell as the guy never showed up. This makes him the 3rd person to offer me "$11k cash, I'll come meet you tomorrow" and fail to follow up. I want a GT3, which if I'm going to be able to pull, I'd have to sell both cars. Even if not however, doesn't make a lot of sense to own the C5 as a second car. None the less, there's lots to like about it, so I'm not terribly bothered by it not selling at the moment.

I took it upon myself to do the Column Lock Bypass, went ahead and ordered the parts for that. I'll probably install it this Friday. Those that have owned a C5 probably know what this issue is about... The electronic column lock sometimes fails to unlock on occasion, keeping the steering wheel locked. I've already taken it off line, but I don't want that message to come up on the display.

Anyway, if I had room in my heart for it, I really think it'd be quite the formidable (track?) package. Again I'm rather impressed by the lack of understeer on this car, it's rather well mannered for a factory stock suspension. My biggest complaint really is the sheer size of it. Interior quality is also quite low as I've said before, but the chassis is actually quite good. It's also under dampened, and it's rather softly suspended. Considering the spring rate, the ride is impressively good also. Mostly though, I can't believe how progressive it's break away characteristics are, under steady state cornering. Almost any other car that rides this well gets much harder to control near the limit. I'm sort of curious to try one that's been properly modified/stiffened up, though I doubt I'll get the opportunity any time soon. It just pulled so hard on a wet track. After horsing around on the street, I found this rather surprising. Finally, I was again impressed by the lack of understeer. Brake feel/modulation is superb also, however it is hard to hold it at ABS threshold.

5/20/2009 12:42:37 AM