http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-YkaJPpyCA

7/6/2009 1:16:05 PM

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"i mean who honestly thinks she could win if she ran?????"

The same thing was said in Late 2007 when Obama was running......

Politics comes in waves. In 2008, Darth Vader could have run and would have won if he had a D beside his name.

If Barack's massive overhauls do not work and the economy shrinks and inflation hits (which a lot of economists say may happen), the R's will be back in office. So yes, I think should could win if she gets the nod come super Tuesday from the R's. Of course, that depends on what Barry has been up too.

7/6/2009 1:28:28 PM

i can accept the possibility of a republican winning in 2012. but palin? why? what does she stand for? why would anyone want to vote for her?

7/6/2009 1:36:00 PM

If I vote for he she'll come to NC and have sex with me.

7/6/2009 1:50:15 PM

^^In 3 years ask yourself that question. A heckuva lot can happen in that time. Ask Obama if you dont believe me.....If shes going to run for it, shes basically got a year and a half to improve her image, a few months to win the Republican nomination and a few more months of campaigning if she gets the OK.

I'd say she needs at least that 1.5 years to prep for a run to be feasible given all the bad PR she's recieved. Wheather she brought this bad press upon herself, is dumb, or whatever else you guys are talking about isn't the debate at hand (although you guys think it is for some reason).

The debate is why she quit to begin with and if a presidential bid is possible. I definately see it as a possibility, though several things have to happen for her to get there.

[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ^^]

7/6/2009 1:51:42 PM

i didn't say anything about image. i asked what she stood for and why anyone would vote for her.

7/6/2009 1:53:46 PM

And I say in 3 years, what she stands for will most likely be different in the publics eye (for good or not, only time will tell) and thats the time to debate her stances. Right now, the feasiblility of a successful campaign is the real question.

7/6/2009 2:07:49 PM

i don't think she could ever get the nomination, she's got an established record as a populist that a lot of conservatives wouldn't go for

7/6/2009 2:40:00 PM

^^

Well, I submit to you that as a person she's far too ignorant to have a successful campaign. As a candidate, she's far to divisive. If the GOP wants to win the next election they will need to find a candidate that's a little more centrist than the most recent crop.

Palin's supporters are the stereotypical inbred smalltown hick republicans. While there are a lot of these people, it's not enough to win the election.

7/6/2009 3:08:52 PM

My wife maintains that even if Sarah Palin was the best person for the job, she'd never win because no matter what they say, women are hateful bitches and will never vote for a woman for president.

Interesting theory. Gotta get that woman vote, son.

7/6/2009 3:27:28 PM

^ i guess some truth to that because Obama did win over a surprising number of women when running against Hilary.

7/6/2009 3:55:34 PM

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"And I say in 3 years, what she stands for will most likely be different in the publics eye (for good or not, only time will tell) and thats the time to debate her stances."

she doesn't seem to have any stances. i mean she parroted standard republican boilerplate during her VP campaign. but even that seemed pretty half-baked. has she stood for anything? will anything that she stands for from now on even be taken seriously since her completely un-serious time as governor?

7/6/2009 6:36:06 PM

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"You are drastically overstating the mercury hazard from CFLs. You could very likely make a milkshake out of your CFL and nothing would happen to you regarding mercury poisoning. Not to mention the likelihood of your exposure to mercury is extremely low, just from having CFLs. Millions and millions of CFLs have been sold, and maybe billions of fluorescent lights have been sold over the past few decades, and people aren't worried about mercury issues as a result. Mercury was in every single TV, ever, across the globe, until LED backlight LCDs."

You don't know what you're talking about, "moron." The EPA itself published a 16-step list of serious precautions for dealing with CFL bulb breakage, including airing out the room and avoiding vacuum cleaners. Obviously they believe the mercury released by breaking a CFL bulb is dangerous, if not to the immediate inhabitants themselves, then to the environment. If you want to argue this point, argue it with the EPA, not me. I trust their word over yours.

Moreover, this comparison to existing TVs and fluorescent bulbs is idiotic. Use some common sense. There's a big difference between having one or two overhead fluorescent lights, or a TV, and having these bulbs in every single household appliance, including those likely to fall over more frequently (such as lamps).

7/6/2009 10:08:12 PM

you can pretty much shut the fuck up about mercury

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf

7/6/2009 10:13:18 PM

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"In 3 years ask yourself that question. A heckuva lot can happen in that time."

I'll tell you one thing that won't change in three years: she won't be the governor of Alaska. Do you know why?

Because SHE QUIT.

Look, maybe you're right. Maybe the American electorate will forgive and forget and she'll seem like the best alternative out there in the GOP field. But you know what? Regardless of your ideology -- and mine is certainly closer on paper to hers than to Barack Obama's -- that's just fucking sad, if our standards are that low.

Or moreover, if the GOP base's standards are so low, so inherently depraved, that it believes collectively that it's better to have an ideologically-correct quitter than somebody who actually believes in the "service" part of "public service."

In my view the term of a governor in office isn't optional, it's a commitment. When she ran, she committed to serve a full term, in exchange for the political mandate granted to her by the Alaskan people. She did not live up to that, and therefore she lacks integrity and the spirit of public service that should motivate anybody who seeks higher office.

There really is more to running a government than politics. It's actually a serious business. It's actually work and not fun. It's actually service and not celebrity. If we've stopped believing that, then our national character really has gone down the shitter.

7/6/2009 10:14:55 PM

^^

And that document proves what exactly? That I have to shut off the central air if one light bulb breaks in my house (as it quotes the EPA guidelines I already noted)? LOL!

7/6/2009 10:21:35 PM

It shows the environmental mercury is significantly reduced by using CFLs over incandescent light bulbs.

Also, how many light bulbs do you break a year?

Also, this is great:

"A CFL containing 5 mg of mercury breaks in your child’s bedroom that has a volume of about 25 m3 (which corresponds to a medium sized bedroom). The entire 5 mg of mercury vaporizes immediately (an unlikely occurrence), resulting in an airborne mercury concentration in this room of 0.2 mg/m3. This concentration will decrease with time, as air in the room leaves and is replaced by air from outside or from a different room. As a result, concentrations of mercury in the room will likely approach zero after about an hour or so. Under these relatively conservative assumptions, this level and duration of mercury exposure is not likely to be dangerous, as it is lower than the US Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) standard of 0.05 mg/m3 of metallic mercury vapor averaged over eight hours."
Professor Sue MacIntosh, Professor of Environmental Health, Harvard University

I also hope you replaced all those thermostats in your house since they contain 100x as much mercury as one CFL.

7/6/2009 10:48:08 PM

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"In 3 years ask yourself that question. A heckuva lot can happen in that time. Ask Obama if you dont believe me.....If shes going to run for it, shes basically got a year and a half to improve her image, a few months to win the Republican nomination and a few more months of campaigning if she gets the OK."

"improving her image" will do nothing to sway me from the fact that she is an absolute moron. If she gets her act together/improves her image it would only be because she is a complete puppet for whatever team is working behind her. Heres to hoping there is a half decent candidate running (R) next time around

7/6/2009 10:59:21 PM

hey, dickfaces - take the CFL shit to another thread. This thread is to make fun of Palin!!

and on that topic, here's some more gossip about what's going on in Alaska (AP article reprinted in HuffPo)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090706/us-palin-struggles/

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""She had a surprising amount of disinterest in state government after November," said state Rep. Les Gara, D-Anchorage. "This state has a lot of problems, and she showed a complete lack of interest in solving them." In Alaska, Palin has become a polarizing figure and the focus of multiple ethics complaints filed against her with the state personnel board. She has taken a beating from Senate Democrats over many of her recent appointments, including an attorney general candidate who became the first Cabinet appointment ever rejected by the Alaska Legislature. But with all the thorny issues enveloping her in Alaska, Palin's quitting may be more about something simpler: cutting her losses. Things weren't likely to improve, if she stayed in office. She faces a potential veto override of nearly $29 million in federal stimulus funds for energy efficiency programs, money she had rejected in fear that it could bind the state to federal building mandates. "The drumbeat of adverse news coverage from Alaska would likely have continued and intensified had she remained governor," said Juneau economist and longtime Alaska political watcher Gregg Erickson. "It would have become an increasing liability to her national campaign." "

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"It's easier to govern in Alaska when oil prices are high, but they are down from last year's historic highs and the budget is much tighter. And this year, Palin's signature project, getting a natural gas pipeline, moves into a critical phase: whether North Slope leaseholders will commit to shipping gas in the pipeline, which is still at least a decade away. Palin has said stepping down as governor was about doing the right thing for Alaska _ not wanting to be a lame duck governor if she knew she wasn't running for re-election in 2010. She also has hinted that her decision was a strategic move aimed at gearing up for a run for president. But many political observers in Alaska say it was obvious her heart wasn't in the job. "

haha,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/06/sarah-palins-resignation_n_226462.html

[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 11:08 PM. Reason : .]

7/6/2009 10:59:57 PM

^^^

It shows how mercury emissions over time are greatly reduced, but that's clearly different than immediate exposure to mercury from a broken bulb. You're comparing apples to oranges.

And as to thermostats: you are woefully misinformed. The article says "old-style" thermostats. In fact most thermostats sold in stores today contain no mercury. Can you guess why?

Because the same environmental groups that lobby for CFLs, lobbied against mercury-based thermometers. For the very reason you state! In fact many countries have banned mercury-based thermometers for most practical purposes.

See:

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-center/releases2/children-and-workers-exposed-t

Greenpeace complains here about exposure to mercury by children and workers due to plants that make them in India. Hey, guess where CFLs are made? I'll give you a few tries. Then tell me how high the labor standards are there.

Here's a hint:

http://in.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idINIndia-29323320070904

How many CFLs do you think THEY break in a year?

As to the other thing you posted -- already read that, it's still unconvincing (the comments had a number of good questions about how 0.2 mg/m3 is less than 0.05 mg/m3), and more so, it leaves out the possibility of breaking multiple bulbs, etc.

At any rate, I don't particularly care about mercury personally (I eat plenty of fish from unknown sources), even if I thought you had a point (and you don't), I could just as well go on about how I hate the quality of CFL light, the shape of the bulb, the acronym, and all those things would be justification for resenting the government's intervention. In fact I even think if somebody wants to eat CFLs for dinner, they should go for it. But forcing me to use them and then lecturing me on how there are basically no downsides, that I should just trust the government's judgment, is insulting and bad policy.

On some level -- if we can't trust the government to give us correct information on, say, marijuana, why do we trust them to tell us which light bulbs to use? Hmmmm? Haven't we heard this line before about "there are no upsides and infinite downsides to taking another option, so we eliminated it?"


[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 11:12 PM. Reason : foo]

7/6/2009 11:12:22 PM

do you by chance work in a building with tube lights? More mercury there and they are more prone to breakage.

And as I said, you illiterate fuck, I hope you replaced all your thermostats.

[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM. Reason : .]

7/6/2009 11:21:34 PM

how did the government require CFLs again? they just have a scheduled ban for incandescents (and there are lots of exceptions). there are other technologies that will probably be in the stores in the coming years as well.

[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 11:21 PM. Reason : n]

7/6/2009 11:21:38 PM

Quote :

"This thread is to make fun of Palin!!"

You're right, of course, but then again I do rather want her to go national again so Tina Fey can have another crack at her. Hopefully SNL will cover the resignation speech, maybe with some shots of Fey-as-Palin frantically twittering afterwards ...

7/6/2009 11:24:15 PM

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"Greenpeace complains"

There's a shocker.

7/7/2009 1:44:05 AM

Quote :

"At any rate, I don't particularly care about mercury personally (I eat plenty of fish from unknown sources), even if I thought you had a point (and you don't), I could just as well go on about how I hate the quality of CFL light, the shape of the bulb, the acronym, and all those things would be justification for resenting the government's intervention. In fact I even think if somebody wants to eat CFLs for dinner, they should go for it. But forcing me to use them and then lecturing me on how there are basically no downsides, that I should just trust the government's judgment, is insulting and bad policy. "

So you finally admit that I was right, and the issue of mercury is completely separate from the issue of choice? Thank you. You should follow my lead more quickly, next time.

7/7/2009 2:46:06 AM

I finally got around to see a clip from her press conference and she is screwed. She made Bush sound like MLK, Jr. with her incoherent rambling.

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM. Reason : ]

7/7/2009 11:10:11 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/07/palin.resignation/index.html

she is not a quitter... depending on what your definition of is... is.

7/7/2009 11:19:24 AM

she is so lame.....
from ^

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"No legal "bombshell" or personal scandal lies behind Palin's resignation, but off-color jokes by talk-show host David Letterman contributed to her decision to step down, Thomas Van Flein said. The governor needed a break after being "on duty now for two and a half years solid," he said."

Quote :

"Friday was "deliberately chosen" for the announcement because of its proximity to the July Fourth holiday, Van Flein said: "She declared her independence from politics as usual.""

this alone should disqualify her from running for president or any other high office.
1) she can't take it when people make fun of her
2) being "on duty" for 2.5 years.....


oh yeah, and gives us one more reason why we should all be thankful she is not VP and how John McCain selling out put us all at risk

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2009 11:44:46 AM

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"The governor needed a break after being "on duty now for two and a half years solid," he said.""

she can fuck off from public service forever

7/7/2009 6:35:41 PM

ABC News interview with Palin this week:

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"I think on a national level, your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said. There is no "Department of Law" at the White House."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8016906&page=1

That's right, kids. When the president of the United States gets accused of things, the Department of Law is there to automatically throw them out. Thank god for the Deparment of Law.

7/8/2009 1:03:19 PM

7/8/2009 1:23:08 PM

Oh, now this made me laugh

http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/

Quote :

"Welcome to The Alaska Fund Trust The Alaska Fund Trust is the official legal fund created to defend the integrity of the Alaska Governor's Office from an onslaught of political attacks launched against current Governor Sarah Palin, the First Family, and state-employed colleagues. These baseless accusations have cost Alaska more than $1 million in public monies to defend, and Governor Palin has incurred more than half a million dollars in personal debt defending her official actions as Governor. You can help by donating to the Alaska Fund Trust today!"

7/8/2009 4:35:42 PM

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" Sarah Palin's charisma is such that she doesn't need to hold an office to wield influence, Matthew Continetti says."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/continetti.palin.career/index.html

7/9/2009 4:41:32 PM

~$20 million >> $125,000

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/palins-25-million-payday/

If Palin is so ridiculous, why do any of you care what she does? BTW, have you met the actual VP, Joe "Doofus" Biden?

Quote :

"I would tell members of my family, and I have, I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places right now. It's not that it's going to Mexico, it's that you are in a confined aircraft. When one person sneezes, it goes everywhere through the aircraft. That's me."

—Biden, when asked on NBC's Today Show what he would tell his relatives if they wanted to fly to Mexico next week. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs later commented: 'If people felt unduly alarmed for whatever reason, we would certainly apologize for that.'

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1895156_1894977,00.html

Back by popular demand--and because the times necessitate it:

7/9/2009 5:16:08 PM

what does an old joe biden story have to do with anything?

[Edited on July 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM. Reason : hello logical fallacies ]

7/9/2009 5:22:34 PM

^^biden might say some things that he later regrets. but palin straight-up lies through her teeth. again and again.

7/9/2009 5:34:03 PM

^^ VP Joe Doofus said that less than three months ago. And swine flu is still a concern--widespread panic induced by the second highest leader in the land (oh, sweet Jesus) will surely help.

^ Well, she's out of office in a few days, so you can STFU, right? Or will you continue to obsess and, you know, completely ignore the almost weekly gaffes on the CURRENT vice president?

But since some of you are so goddamned time sensitive, here's a more recent gaffe from VP Joe Doofus--one of many:

Joe Biden update: Now, he thinks N.Y. train tunnel is for cars

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/06/joe-biden.html

7/9/2009 5:44:10 PM

and? so he made a mistake in something he said. who really cares. omg he said car tunnel when he meant train tunnel. how can i live with myself for voting for this man?!

7/9/2009 6:13:07 PM

^ What about revealing classified information, as Newsweek--certainly not a right-wing publication--claimed Biden did?

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/05/15/shining-light-on-cheney-s-hideaway.aspx

7/9/2009 6:23:12 PM

i'm looking and i don't see where it says that that is classified.

also it's disclosing history. the horror! someone might know where to find cheney if they go back in time.

7/9/2009 6:25:58 PM

^ Are you daft? All indications are that the "secure, undisclosed" location that had never been revealed before was--in fact--classified. And the fact that Cheney used the bunker is not the point. Biden could have used it, too, had he not revealed its location to the world in yet another display of his diarrhea of the mouth.

Biden Reveals Classified Information?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/biden_reveals_classified_infor.asp

What about the stimulus funds being misused? Or does this not concern you in the least, either?

VP Joe Doofus is supposedly in charge of disbursement of the stimulus--"Nobody messes with Joe!" Except, yeah, they actually do, because they know he's a dumbass.

Wait, what's the number to the recovery Web site?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Zh4p2elRc



What, http://www.recovery.gov/? Damn, that's hard!

[Edited on July 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM. Reason : PS: ]

7/9/2009 6:53:22 PM

never understood how the biden reveals classified info thing just kinda fizzled out back in may

[Edited on July 9, 2009 at 7:05 PM. Reason : not that its a big deal, but the lack of coverage was suspect imo]

7/9/2009 7:04:49 PM

I was looking for a thread about Sarah Palin resigning from office, but I must have missed a turn, because this thread appears to be about light bulbs and Joe Biden.

7/9/2009 7:24:42 PM

hahaha yea this thread has been used and abused more than Sarah Palin.

7/9/2009 8:12:35 PM

ahahahaha, I just heard her resignation described as, "an M.C. Escher painting of a speech."

L

O

L

7/9/2009 8:38:22 PM

haha, hooksaw is trying so hard

say what you want about biden, but at least the man hasn't quit

7/9/2009 9:06:53 PM

haha yea hooksaw is like that little kid jumping up and down screaming on random tangents, sure he gets some attention but in the end he just looks childish.

[Edited on July 9, 2009 at 9:22 PM. Reason : he is like a half troll, half useful poster. ]

7/9/2009 9:20:40 PM

I like how hooksaw only cares about staying on topic when it's his own threads

7/9/2009 9:44:24 PM

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"Are you daft? All indications are that the "secure, undisclosed" location that had never been revealed before was--in fact--classified."

even the title of your weekly standard article puts a question mark after classified.

it's nothing like outing a cia agent's identity or anything. that might put someone's life in danger right now.

7/9/2009 10:53:07 PM

you mean an agent who is no longer under cover? and who talked to other people about her life as a cia agent?

7/9/2009 11:06:59 PM