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11/17/2009 1:52:34 PM

*person does appalling, awful thing*

Is it evil (metaphysical pixie dust) or behavior caused by physical factors? HMMMMERY

11/17/2009 1:53:21 PM

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"Textbook case of psychological projection here"

Well I have been studying your posts ITT

and sorry I used the word evil, its really irrelevant, I was just using a synonym for "bad person"...no sense in going off on a tangent about that irrelevant detail

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"When will you idiots pull your minds out of the dark ages?"

I'll always reserve a small piece of my mind to remain in the dark ages, as long as there continue to be rapist child killers who play by dark age rules. Hey McDanger maybe you can use all your masters and doctorate degrees to intellectually reason with these type of people? I'm sure they'll be receptive!

11/17/2009 1:53:24 PM

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"Biofreak's Rape Island"

Sounds like an excellent title for a B rate film

11/17/2009 1:55:22 PM

you know, there really is no point in me arguing with you any more. I can not and will not agree with someone who thinks everyone has the same rights and same potential given the proper "treatment"

we are not all the same and capable of the same things


and punishments are there for a reason


and for everyone saying that capital punishment isn't a deterrent- I said it is intended as a deterrent moreso than a punishment- what is someone going to learn from being dead? Yes, I agree studies show that it is proven not to be a good deterrent, which is why you are seeing fewer and fewer states continuing on with the death penalty. But to say that we originally did it as an eye for an eye thing as opposed to deter people from doing it again is silly


^haha that's what I was thinking

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM. Reason : sdfvap]

11/17/2009 1:59:54 PM

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"Hey McDanger maybe you can use all your masters and doctorate degrees to intellectually reason with these type of people? I'm sure they'll be receptive!"

Obviously this isn't what's needed. Maybe you could use your ... oh wait lol.

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"you know, there really is no point in me arguing with you any more. I can not and will not agree with someone who thinks everyone has the same rights and same potential given the proper "treatment""

I don't think everybody has the same potential given the proper "treatment". I'm just saying we need to treat mental illness as such, as opposed to doing nasty things to them because it makes us feel good.

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"and punishments are there for a reason"

They're there for many reasons. Not all of them are good reasons.

11/17/2009 2:02:33 PM

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"doing nasty things to them because it makes us feel good."

textbook case of psychological projection

11/17/2009 2:03:42 PM

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"textbook case of psychological projection"

Textbook case of slobbering moron not knowing what the fuck he's talking about

Look at this thread alone for cases of people getting off hard on "what they'd do" to murderers and other violent offenders. There are a plethora of threads (a few even on the first page IIRC) where people fantasize about what they'd do to various criminals.

This vs. me saying we should treat the situation differently. Hmmmery yes this is clearly the same thing, I'm treetwista

11/17/2009 2:07:35 PM

I know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. This person deserves to die, as a result of justice. Yet you can't grasp that. You just assume incorrectly that anyone who supports this guy dying is doing it TO STROKE THEIR PEEN...for fucks sake half of your posts are textbook cases of psychological projection based on what you assume based on your own stupid fucking stereotypes of people..."man i hate all these fucking ignorant southern white fucks, let me show how much god damn better than them i am"...thats your whole MO

then I call you out on it and you start bitching, even though I'm right

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"Look at this thread alone for cases of people getting off hard on "what they'd do" to murderers and other violent offenders"

give me one example from this thread...should be easy right?

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 2:09:13 PM

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"A very slow and painful death is needed for them"

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"i also agree that people who hurt children should be killed"

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"Then send them to prison, and someone who already has hands covered in blood will not think twice about beating their brains in with a bar."

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"They need to rub these jerks down with A1 and feed them to some fucking hungry bears. I hate that these people are allowed to walk the earth."

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"I would be in favor of Vlad impaling the mother and the pedophile"

I'm not really drawing a distinction between wanting to do it yourself or wanting to hand them off to somebody else to do the deed. It's like when the US hands prisoners to Syria for the purposes of torture.

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"I think if they get the death penalty all their rights to appeal go out the window and they are killed the next week. By firing squad, come on now... WHO'S WITH ME?"

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"what we really need is a volcanic island of desperation, push you out a helo 15 feet up on to a barren volcanic blot in the middle of the pacific (or a barren atoll, no trees) 100+ miles from shipping lanes, the area would be monitered by rings of remote radar and sonar bouys 10, 25 and 70 miles out (to prevent pick ups) all attempts and breaking the rings are met with a cruise missile or torpedo. let the fuckers resort to eating eachother and then starving to death slowly as they suffer in the elements."

11/17/2009 2:21:26 PM

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"I'm not really drawing a distinction between wanting to do it yourself or wanting to hand them off to somebody else to do the deed"

Of course not, because if you did, you wouldn't have an argument

How is saying a murdering rapist pedophile should be murdered, getting a hard on about what you'd do to a violent criminal?

Its not, its more of your self righteous projections on people

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 2:22:53 PM

People are talking about what should be done. This means that if they could enact a policy that carries out these actions, they would. How is that not saying "what they'd do" to these murderers?

Politicians talk about what they'd do about crime. Do you want them to carry out the punishments too?

edit: I really shouldn't have taught you the word "projection" now you're going to parrot it and misapply it just like every term that floats around your muddled head

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 2:24:03 PM

Well for one, your sarcasm meter is broken if you think all the quotes in your last post are serious

And second, saying that justice should be served != RAWR I WANT TO KILL THIS GUY WITH MUH BEAR HANDS

but its not as fun when you cant project all your ignorant stereotypes on people, is it

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"I really shouldn't have taught you the word "projection""

hey look, the arrogant elitist is looking down on people, theres something you dont see everyday!

more like, you really shouldnt constantly jump to conclusions and project false shit on everyone in this thread, then complain when you get called out on it

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 2:28 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 2:25:48 PM

Yes those people are being sarcastic, not firing off rage-charged comments and expressing something about their actual preferences.

11/17/2009 2:28:14 PM

frank

11/17/2009 2:29:35 PM

I see one that is CLEARLY sarcastic...most of the others are just to the effect of "yes, I agree the murdering child molesting rapist dirtbag should be killed, as that would be justice for the heinous acts he committed"

But don't let that stop you from continuing to convince yourself that everyone else is backwoods and stroking their dick to this, while you are the bastion of reason, and truly the only person on here who gets it

11/17/2009 2:30:10 PM

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"truly the only person on here who gets it"

not the only but damn close to it apparently

11/17/2009 2:33:54 PM

Gotta love your confidence arrogant cockiness

11/17/2009 2:34:51 PM

people who know things and know they know things = elitists

better to be a glenn beck level retard who "shoots from the hip"

11/17/2009 2:35:59 PM

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"not the only but damn close to it apparently"

haha I'm gonna let you be the mayor of Biofreak's Rape Island

11/17/2009 2:36:35 PM

He's not alone.

11/17/2009 2:36:42 PM

People who think they know things even when those things defy all common sense, like defending the life of a fucking pedophile murdering rapist = arrogant fag bags

11/17/2009 2:37:05 PM

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"haha I'm gonna let you be the mayor of Biofreak's Rape Island"

Do I get a top hat, monocle, and cane?

11/17/2009 2:38:54 PM

11/17/2009 2:40:19 PM

Sign me up

11/17/2009 2:42:46 PM

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"He's not alone."

I think the people who are like OMG KILL HIM NOW are just emotional right now about a heinous crime. Of course killing the accused right now is irrational. In my opinion, killing anyone for committing a crime is irrational.

11/17/2009 2:51:16 PM

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"In my opinion, killing anyone for committing a crime is irrational."

And based on the severity of the crime, many other people would say there are justified times to kill someone for a crime

Thats not a right or wrong thing, its a difference of opinions

11/17/2009 2:52:07 PM

rofl

"many people would say this"

many people are slobbering red necks what the fuck is your point?

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 3:02 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 3:01:52 PM

leave it to McDanger to keep drilling home the point that rednecks are worse than child molesting murdering pedophiles

11/17/2009 3:38:13 PM

Of course they're not worse

11/17/2009 3:39:03 PM

You wouldn't know it from reading your posts

You know, people with different opinions on this issue than yourself might be a little more willing to discuss it, if say, you had started off in the thread and actually called out the murdering rapist child molester, instead of coming into the thread to talk shit to the people who sympathized with the father

Just a thought

11/17/2009 3:40:46 PM

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"You wouldn't know it from reading your posts"

Not if you assume I'm some retarded Democrat parody that you see portrayed on your beloved idiot-box

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"if say, you had started off in the thread and actually called out the murdering rapist child molester, instead of coming into the thread to talk shit to the people who sympathized with the father"

ah yes i should have pounded my chest and given a disclaimer about how i actually wanted blood from the offender

then, once i've proven that i'm an actual RED BLOODED AMURRICAN i could discuss my other views

or: go fuck yourself

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 3:42:49 PM

replace Democrat with Republican and you've pretty much summed up your outlook on most people in this thread

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" ah yes i should have pounded my chest and given a disclaimer about how i actually wanted blood from the offender"

gotta love your countless strawmen

cause you couldn't have simply said "wow, what a sick fuck, i hope they lock him up"

instead you decided to vilify all the posters on TWW, instead of the pedophile rapist murderer



[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 3:43:20 PM

Both democrats and republicans have stupid fucking opinions on how our penal system should run

All you have to do to see that is pay attention during election time when an R and a D go back in forth in ad after ad trying to top the other one at being TOUGH ON CRIME (read: draconian)

11/17/2009 3:45:14 PM

totally not brütal

11/17/2009 3:49:17 PM

oh mans that's brütals

11/17/2009 3:49:44 PM

I agree with Mcdanger . It does not make sense to murder someone capable of this ( they are obviously messed up in the head ) after they are in custody. If I was a member of this family I am willing to admit my anger/emotions may cause me to think otherwise until calming down. TreeTwista10 : you fail to just listen to his viewpoint (which he has explained quite clearly and maintained throughout his posting record ) and make no points other then the fact that you don't agree with him. You could have simply said "I dont agree" and saved the both of you 2+ hours.

RIP, truly sad story.

11/17/2009 4:36:20 PM

I listened to his viewpoint. He says he doesn't think anyone who is mentally ill should be killed.

I strongly disagree in this case. Call it emotion or whatever you want, theres no way in hell I'm going to side with the sick bastard who did the things to that girl.

Why should this guy be entitled to life when his life consists of raping and killing 5 year old girls?

11/17/2009 4:38:21 PM

success!!!!!!!

FWIW , I respect your viewpoint TreeTwista10 .

11/17/2009 4:40:15 PM

I am McDanger and I am better and more civilized than the rest of y'all because I don't want a child-rapist-murderer to be sentenced to death.

11/17/2009 4:45:46 PM

saudi does something i agree with

11/17/2009 4:57:30 PM

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"You know, something about having children as your victim in any crime makes me almost want the death penalty. I'm against it, but I almost would not mind death of these people. Almost. "

11/17/2009 4:58:14 PM

McDanger --

1) I'm not sure that it's justifiable to leap to the conclusion that somebody who does heinous things must be mentally ill. At the very least, the implication is that anybody whose thought process deviates from the norm is sick, and I'm not comfortable with that.

2) Even if the people are mentally ill, I don't necessarily care. My support for the death penalty stems primarily from my desire to remove probable continued threats to society from society in a permanent and reliable way. There's no meaningful difference between probable continued threats coming from people with brain tumors, mean parents, schizophrenia, or whatnot. Is it a threat? Remove it. Is it a serious, grievous threat? Remove it permanently.

3) People get some measure of solace out of talking about retribution. No one in this thread is going to lobby congress to bring back public hangings. Other than a lack of understanding or a spate of douchebaggery, I'm not sure why you'd want to interfere with their expressions of outrage. If you try to tell me that saying, "These individuals are unwell and we must mete out medical treatment to correct the flaws that lead to these heinous acts!" gives you any measure of satisfaction, I will call you a goddamn liar.

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Everyone else:

I think a good, old fashioned, public death by hanging would suffice. No need to reinvent the wheel. String 'em up, drop the trap door, and laugh when they shit their pants. We should get together and lobby congress to make this possible.

11/17/2009 5:34:33 PM

Before or after the trial?

11/17/2009 5:42:27 PM

^^now that would be too cruel and unusual, they need to bring back firing squads. executions that cost less than $1

11/17/2009 5:51:11 PM

You can reuse gallows, you can't reuse bullets. Over time, a good gallows will pay for itself.

11/17/2009 6:11:36 PM

The name of this thread is weird. Nobody SHOULD be murdered... if you think anything otherwise you're a sociopath.

11/17/2009 6:24:32 PM

I could've more accurately titled it "people who, based on their crimes/actions, deserve to be executed"

but whatever

11/17/2009 6:28:07 PM

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"1) I'm not sure that it's justifiable to leap to the conclusion that somebody who does heinous things must be mentally ill. At the very least, the implication is that anybody whose thought process deviates from the norm is sick, and I'm not comfortable with that."

It's not just deviating from the norm that's the problem. It's deviating from the norm in a way that damages other people directly. A murderer or a rapist is violating other peoples' autonomy and liberty in various ways. These ways lack any sort of empathy whatsoever ... you don't think that requires a special kind of individual? (I'm excluding murders that are crimes of passion since it seems everybody's capable of those given the right circumstances -- it's why we make a legal distinction.)

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"2) Even if the people are mentally ill, I don't necessarily care. My support for the death penalty stems primarily from my desire to remove probable continued threats to society from society in a permanent and reliable way. There's no meaningful difference between probable continued threats coming from people with brain tumors, mean parents, schizophrenia, or whatnot. Is it a threat? Remove it. Is it a serious, grievous threat? Remove it permanently."

"Is it a threat? Remove it." Take the tumor out. Treat the schizophrenia. That's how you remove the threat, in my opinion. Imagine we could catch these cases and treat people so that they don't run on rampages (this is what we actually do; it makes sense to put a schizophrenic in a mental institute as opposed to prison or in a coffin).

We could simply kill everybody that breaks certain laws, or we could try to address the causes in a measured way. It's not somebody's fault if they have a brain tumor that's causing them to act crazy, especially if unaware of it.

Sometimes tumors can be isolated as the cause of certain behaviors. In other words, if you destroy the tumor, the behavior stops and the person exhibits "normal" behavior again. In these cases, why not destroy the tumor instead of the whole person? Crazy or not, it is a person.

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"3) People get some measure of solace out of talking about retribution."

People get a measure of solace out of all sorts of barbaric shit. That doesn't mean we need to humor them, just because they're victims. If somebody killed my daughter, I'd probably want to rip his head off; that doesn't mean I think I should be allowed to do it or charge somebody else to do it for me (least of all the state). Just because the victim's family feels bad doesn't mean they deserve blood; this is part of living in a society.

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"Other than a lack of understanding or a spate of douchebaggery, I'm not sure why you'd want to interfere with their expressions of outrage. If you try to tell me that saying, "These individuals are unwell and we must mete out medical treatment to correct the flaws that lead to these heinous acts!" gives you any measure of satisfaction, I will call you a goddamn liar."

Look, all sorts of things are "satisfying". Just because you're really upset doesn't mean you have the right to be satisfied in your base desires. What if somebody rapes a member of my family? Should I be able to rape him? With an object? Should I be able to beat him in the face with a wrench? If he's killed by firing squad, can I pull the trigger? Can we televise it so everybody can enjoy it? I mean come on, I'm the victim, right? I call the shots and get to do what it takes to vent my anger until I feel better, right?

If an undiagnosed schizophrenic harms me in some way and then it's discovered he's a schizophrenic, he needs treatment. If anybody wants revenge on him for this uncontrolled behavior, then it's UNDERSTANDABLE (in the sense that you can understand where the feeling comes from) but not reasonable (nor something we should want/promote in a society). When I stub my toe, my first reaction is to get angry at the inanimate object I stubbed it on even though this doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Sometimes feelings don't make sense and aren't helpful even if they're natural; in this case, I don't think desire for revenge serves society very well.

11/18/2009 8:58:50 AM

ITT people advocate for a return to hammurabis code

11/18/2009 9:00:22 AM