i fucking hate tmz, but they have nothing better to do than get celebrity stories right

1/12/2010 2:58:37 PM

I'm just gonna add this little tidbit to the discussion and let you all continue to hash out which news outlet is more trustworthy

TMZ was the first news outlet to break Michael Jackson's death

carry on

1/12/2010 2:59:44 PM

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/conan-obrien-says-he-wont-do-tonight-show-following-leno/

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"People of Earth: In the last few days, I’ve been getting a lot of sympathy calls, and I want to start by making it clear that no one should waste a second feeling sorry for me. For 17 years, I’ve been getting paid to do what I love most and, in a world with real problems, I’ve been absurdly lucky. That said, I’ve been suddenly put in a very public predicament and my bosses are demanding an immediate decision. Six years ago, I signed a contract with NBC to take over The Tonight Show in June of 2009. Like a lot of us, I grew up watching Johnny Carson every night and the chance to one day sit in that chair has meant everything to me. I worked long and hard to get that opportunity, passed up far more lucrative offers, and since 2004 I have spent literally hundreds of hours thinking of ways to extend the franchise long into the future. It was my mistaken belief that, like my predecessor, I would have the benefit of some time and, just as important, some degree of ratings support from the prime-time schedule. Building a lasting audience at 11:30 is impossible without both. But sadly, we were never given that chance. After only seven months, with my Tonight Show in its infancy, NBC has decided to react to their terrible difficulties in prime-time by making a change in their long-established late night schedule. Last Thursday, NBC executives told me they intended to move the Tonight Show to 12:05 to accommodate the Jay Leno Show at 11:35. For 60 years the Tonight Show has aired immediately following the late local news. I sincerely believe that delaying the Tonight Show into the next day to accommodate another comedy program will seriously damage what I consider to be the greatest franchise in the history of broadcasting. The Tonight Show at 12:05 simply isn’t the Tonight Show. Also, if I accept this move I will be knocking the Late Night show, which I inherited from David Letterman and passed on to Jimmy Fallon, out of its long-held time slot. That would hurt the other NBC franchise that I love, and it would be unfair to Jimmy. So it has come to this: I cannot express in words how much I enjoy hosting this program and what an enormous personal disappointment it is for me to consider losing it. My staff and I have worked unbelievably hard and we are very proud of our contribution to the legacy of The Tonight Show. But I cannot participate in what I honestly believe is its destruction. Some people will make the argument that with DVRs and the Internet a time slot doesn’t matter. But with the Tonight Show, I believe nothing could matter more. There has been speculation about my going to another network but, to set the record straight, I currently have no other offer and honestly have no idea what happens next. My hope is that NBC and I can resolve this quickly so that my staff, crew, and I can do a show we can be proud of, for a company that values our work. Have a great day and, for the record, I am truly sorry about my hair; it’s always been that way. Yours, Conan "

1/12/2010 3:26:49 PM

^^And, they have pretty much been breaking every single story related to his death and the Drs who may or may have not caused it.

And yes, I am aware that TMZ buys info, but they only pay for credible info.

1/12/2010 3:38:50 PM

LOL at that last sentence.

1/12/2010 3:38:50 PM

NBC is in a pickle now

1/12/2010 3:39:46 PM

they're no doubt that conan was going to respond with cool

but he's so fucking awesome

1/12/2010 3:42:44 PM

I think TMZ is even more credible because they pay for scoops.

Someone isn't going to come feed them some bullshit, because if thats what it turns out to be, they aren't going to be paid next time they have some inside scoop.

People who are just spitting out stories for the hell of it have nothing to lose.

There is reason TMZ breaks celeb news and the like way before any other news outlet gets it.

1/12/2010 3:43:26 PM

LONG LIVE CONAN!!!!

1/12/2010 3:46:00 PM

I guess it's impossible to change the host of The Tonight Show without some huge-ass drama.

1/12/2010 3:47:43 PM

they did cheat conan

1/12/2010 3:49:01 PM

totally...and he moved his family from NYC to LA. It's just not cool.

BAD NBC! BAD!

1/12/2010 3:51:49 PM

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"How do you know? Two very credible sources are reporting two different things. So I could be right, or I could be wrong. And you don't know 100% that you are correct. I could be totally wrong, but at this point, we don't know if Conan will get paid or not if he were to walk."

Tapdancing Christ, are you always this stupid? (Hint: that question was rhetorical as I've read many of your other posts and already clearly know the answer is yes.)

It's not just one source vs another. It's one source vs practically everyone else that's reported on the matter. It has been reported since the very beginning that while Conan does have a contract to do "The Tonight Show" it's not in his contract as to which time slot that show will be in. So you saying "that NBC is violating the contract that they signed with Conan by moving his time slot." is just wrong. 100% wrong and confirmed by everyone including Conan in the statement he released.

1/12/2010 3:52:07 PM

God damn I love me some Conan.

1/12/2010 3:56:59 PM

Just because the majority is saying one thing, doesn't mean its correct.

Once again, TMZ has a proven track record for being right in stuff like this.

And I don't see any contract talk in that statement by Conan.

Either way, he could still get paid if he chooses to leave possibly.

Until the actual contract is posted for everyone to view, there is no way to tell who is right and who is wrong.

1/12/2010 3:57:02 PM

TMZ just isn't going to come out and list those 3 options without something to back it up.

Its not like they just guessed what the contract said and made up some story to go along with what they think the contract said.

Once again, they have people all over fucking LA that get info like this to them on an accurate and consistent basis.

1/12/2010 3:59:19 PM

Do you honestly think that if Conan had a contract to do "The Tonight Show" at 11:35 that he would just roll over and let NBC fuck him like this?

Actually, nevermind, don't answer that. Your opinion on this (or anything at all, really) is no longer of any importance to me whatsoever.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:01 PM. Reason : and stop double posting, moron.]

1/12/2010 4:01:22 PM

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"Do you honestly think that if Conan had a contract to do The Tonight Show" at 11:35 that he would just roll over and let NBC fuck him like this?"

Jesus fucking christ thats the ENTIRE argument thats going on!

He hasn't rolled over yet and let them fuck him in the ass, thats the entire point.

He has options.

The 3 I listed that TMZ reported on.

Thats the whole issue with this entire thing.

1/12/2010 4:05:32 PM

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"I think TMZ is even more credible because they pay for scoops."

hahahahahahahaha, that is a good one

Do I even need to point out that it was the Times who broke that letter that Conan just released?

1/12/2010 4:08:00 PM

I never claimed that TMZ released every single thing relating to a celebrity first.

However, they have been more up to date with this entire situation than the NY Times is.


Also, why are you laughing at them for paying for credible info?

It entices people to come out of the woodwork with juicy stories or information that they other wise wouldn't come forward with.

You are an idiot if you don't understand how that works. Thats the reason they get the majority of this stuff before anyone else does.

1/12/2010 4:11:52 PM

This KaYaK person is quickly approaching that mambagrl-esk level of stupidity where you have to question whether it's real stupidity or trolling.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:13 PM. Reason : For the record, I think he's just an idiot.]

1/12/2010 4:12:08 PM

Please please please tell me how i am being an idiot?

Do tell.

1/12/2010 4:12:46 PM

1/12/2010 4:13:09 PM

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"It entices people to come out of the woodwork with juicy stories or information that they other wise wouldn't come forward with."

Right, and they are doing it BECAUSE they are getting paid, not BECAUSE it's true...there are a bunch of examples of stories that TMZ posts that turn out to be false. Also you seem to think that people always do things that are in their interest long-term ( like only selling correct information to TMZ), when in reality people constantly do things to benefit themselves in the short term that will have a negative impact on them in the long run (another example besides selling fake info to TMZ would be credit cards).

1/12/2010 4:17:41 PM

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"That could prove to be a difficult extraction, at least as some senior NBC executives see it. Despite the fact that Mr. O’Brien is being ejected from the 11:35 p.m. time period he was given in June and pushed to after midnight to make room for Jay Leno, NBC executives are expressing confidence that the network has not breached Mr. O’Brien’s contract. The reason? The contract, NBC is arguing, guaranteed Mr. O’Brien would be installed as host of “The Tonight Show” — and unlike many other deals for late-night stars, Mr. O’Brien’s contract contains no specific language about the time period the show would occupy, NBC executives said. NBC has said Mr. O’Brien’s relocated show would be called “The Tonight Show.” The contractual terms could affect Fox’s pursuit of Mr. O’Brien in several ways. Mr. Reilly acknowledged that even if Mr. O’Brien found a home at Fox, NBC could insist that it had the right to keep Mr. O’Brien from starting a show for an extended period of time — as long as a year or more. Mr. O’Brien’s side has a different interpretation of whether NBC’s actions constitute a breach; but both sides predicted that the issue would not end up in a legal battle. “Nobody has the stomach for that,” said a senior NBC executive, who asked not to be identified because of the unsettled contractual situation."

See, they didn't include a time becuase the tonight show has ALWAYS been at 11:35 following local news. It could be argued in court that the 11:35 was implied and thats what they agreed. There is no certainty in any of that statement by either side. Neither side seems to be 100% confident in that contract.

^The NY Times has also posted false information and stories just like every single news outlet in the history of man.

I never said TMZ always posts 100% accurate information.

They pay for information that has facts/credible info to back it up.

Yes, sometimes some of it turns out to be incorrect.

This, like I said, entices people to come out with stories and or info that they would otherwise just sit on.

You can't just roll up into TMZ and be like "Yo, yeah I saw Tom Cruise on a beach in Miami making out with Oprah" and expect to get paid for it.

You can't sit here and tell me I am 100% wrong when even in that NY Times article they mention both sides arguing over the wording of the contract and both sides appear to think they are in the right.



[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 4:19:18 PM

god dammit

I <3 Conan so fucking much

1/12/2010 4:23:19 PM

Perhaps this may have been discussed in some article and I overlooked it, but why cant this happen..

The Tonight show is still at 11:35 like its always been.

Leno's show at 10 gets scrapped and moved to 12:35 after Conan.

Of the 2, I would have to think that Leno's contract is cheaper than Conan's.

This entire mess is the result of Leno being a little bitch and backing out on what he had agreed to.

Just get rid of him and let him deal with it.

1/12/2010 4:31:05 PM

But seriously though, if you could just stop posting altogether, that would be wonderful.

1/12/2010 4:35:03 PM

Because NBC values Leno more than Conan. They're much more afraid of Leno jumping ship to another network than they are with Conan jumping ship.

1/12/2010 4:35:39 PM

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"But seriously though, if you could just stop posting altogether, that would be wonderful."

Still waiting on you to explain to me how I am an idiot.

Because I disagree with you? Is that it?

You are sitting here and telling me I am wrong in a situation when even your all might NY Times has an article even saying that both sides are still in disagreement over the contract.

You also still seem to think that TMZ=The National Enquirer.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 4:36:32 PM

^Since you obviously aren't interested in anything other than blindly defending TMZ, let me ask you a question: Do you get tired of sucking TMZ's dick all the time? If the answer is no, I'm sure they have room for another "intern".

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 4:39:23 PM

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"Still waiting on you to explain to me how I am an idiot."

Pick one.

1/12/2010 4:40:10 PM

haha, see I am giving you examples on how you are wrong.

You are just doing the typical little bitch shit of "I know you are but what am I" crap that a child would do.

Honestly, I expect more than you.

1/12/2010 4:42:34 PM

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"This entire mess is the result of Leno being a little bitch and backing out on what he had agreed to."

if anything it's NBC that has backed out on what they agreed to do.

1/12/2010 4:42:55 PM

probably because america loves jay leno more than conan, and nbc would retarded to let him leave

1/12/2010 4:43:22 PM

^^Umm, no. 6 years ago when Leno said was going to retire in 2009 they had Conan sign a contract saying he would be the host of The Tonight Show when Leno left.

Well a year or so before Leno was supposed to retire, he decided that he really didn't want to anymore, but NBC already had a contract with Conan saying he would host The Tonight Show, so Leno couldn't come back as host of that.

This entire mess is because Leno decided not to retire afterall.

I mean I see what you are saying. Its both ways I guess. But none of this happens if Leno had just agreed to what he told them he was going to do.


^How can you say that America loves Leno more than Conan when they have never gone head to head in the ratings. Leno has better ratings than Conan when Leno was hosting the Tonight Show, and Conan has had better ratings than Leno currently has on his new show while Conan is hosting The Tonight Show.

Ive never actually heard anyone say that they like Leno. I hear people all the time say they like Conan.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 4:45:11 PM

ok i'll give you that. Jay didn't want to leave when his original time came up. But NBC is the one pulling his show now and all but destroying Conan's chances as well as Fallons. All i'm saying.

i'm gonna go back to watching you and El Nacho

1/12/2010 4:48:17 PM

Nah, I'm done derailing the thread. I guess KaYaK wants me to keep a journal of every stupid thing he says, and that's just not gonna happen. Convincing an idiot that he's stupid is like teaching a dog that he's not a human. Sometimes you have to just give up and let them have their way.

1/12/2010 4:51:25 PM

So if Conan walks, is Leno going to go back to hosting the actual Tonight Show and not just a show in the time slot of The Tonight Show?

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"Nah, I'm done derailing the thread. I guess KaYaK wants me to keep a journal of every stupid thing he says, and that's just not gonna happen. Convincing an idiot that he's stupid is like teaching a dog that he's not a human. Sometimes you have to just give up and let them have their way."

Dude, its painfully obvious that I owned the fuck out of you. Nice of you to give up though. It takes a real man to just walk away.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:53 PM. Reason : ,]

1/12/2010 4:52:09 PM

^^^^ i guess because leno was beating letterman, then conan took that slot and letterman started winning, so therefore leno > letterman > conan. for whatever reason, people just like leno more

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 4:52:26 PM

Am I the only one that finds it amusing that KaYaK asked what might possibly be the dumbest question in the history of mankind in the same post that he claimed to "own the fuck" out of me?

No, I'm sure if Conan walks, they will just cancel the Tonight Show altogether. Because that would be the smart thing to do.

1/12/2010 4:56:29 PM

They could hire someone else to host The Tonight Show you fucking retard.

I honestly can't tell if you are trolling or not.



[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 4:58 PM. Reason : /]

1/12/2010 4:57:25 PM

It's like your stupidity increases exponentially with every post you make.

They could hire someone besides Leno to host the Tonight show if Conan quits?

OK, since you obviously don't understand what's going on here, I'll spell it out for you.

NBC WANTS LENO BACK AT 11:35 HOSTING THE TONIGHT SHOW.

If you can't see that, then you really should just off yourself now. They don't WANT to put Leno in a half hour show, They don't WANT Conan on the Tonight show, they want to go back to the way things were 10 months ago where Leno was beating Letterman in the ratings night in and night out. And this whole moving Conan to 12:05 thing is just a bluff to get him to quit. They even said if he decided to walk to another network they would gladly allow him to leave. If they wanted to keep him, do you think they would allow him to talk to Fox or ABC? No, they found a loophole that allowed him to choose between ruining the institution of "The Tonight Show" as we know it, or walk away from his contract, and they just hope he does "the right thing" and leaves. Now the only question is how ugly does he want to make it?

And I really don't see how you could think I'm the one that's trolling. Aside from defending TMZ against practically every other source on the internet, and spewing some of the most retarded shit I've seen on this website lately, you've added nothing to this discussion, yet still seem to be claiming a "victory"? It's not possible to be dumber than someone who suggests that NBC might bring a third party in to host The Tonight Show. Did you have anyone in mind? Maybe this is finally Letterman's shot!

1/12/2010 5:11:05 PM

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"Do I even need to point out that it was the Times who broke that letter that Conan just released?"

Going back to this for a second, I'm not sure you can really break a press release.

1/12/2010 5:12:22 PM

^^Thats not what we are here arguing.

That actually makes a lot of sense which is why I asked the question.

The argument is that you said I was 100% wrong, and that TMZ is 100% wrong in the 3 options that I posted.

You also said that Conan said that the time slot was not part of the contract, which he didnt.

It is stated in the NY Times article, that the time slot was not included in in the contract, but is for every other late night show.

Both sides seem to be in disagreement over the contract when you seem to think that its 100% in favor of NBC.

And if you knew anything about the situation, you would know that this isnt because Conans ratings are bad, they are quiet good actually, its because of Leno's epic failure at the 10pm slot that is costing them valuable prime time real estate.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 5:18:39 PM

^^haha, just another example of him being owned.


If contracts were the final say so in everything, then bitches would never get more money than stated in their prenuptial agreements, but it happens ALL THE TIME.

Just because something is in a contract, doesn't mean that a different outcome can't happen.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 5:28 PM. Reason : /]

1/12/2010 5:19:05 PM

why did conan let them put that could move to midnight clause in his contract in the first place, he should get a better attorney

1/12/2010 5:32:13 PM

wow.

nbc doesn't really seem to be thinking long term here. jay is eventually going to retire, and someone is going to have to host the tonight show after him. it only makes sense that conan, who's already been groomed for the transition, be the person. eventually, jay leno's fanbase is going to die off, because our generation doesn't really care for him. i thought he was funny until i was about 12. then i would stay up and wait for conan. i honestly can't remember the last time i watched an entire episode of leno (but i'm sure it would consist of tired jokes about bill clinton and oj simpson).

i don't really understand why they are so worried about conan's ratings, as he just took over. surely it would take time for the ratings to adjust to a new host. and conan really brought the late show a large audience, so there's no reason to think he couldn't do it again at 11:30.

1/12/2010 5:33:09 PM

Dear KaYaK,

Stop virtually fellating Harvey Levin in a thread about a man I love and a man I hate.

Love,

vinylbandit

Johnny Carson is rolling over in his grave right now.

1/12/2010 5:38:33 PM

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"Thats not what we are here arguing."

That's part of the problem, you don't even know what you're arguing anymore.

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"The argument is that you said I was 100% wrong, and that TMZ is 100% wrong in the 3 options that I posted."

Putting words into my mouth are we? I never said the TMZ article was 100% anything. If you go back and look I even said that it's all about who you believe. I was quick to point out that the TMZ article was contrary to both common sense, and practically every other source on the internet. I did say you were 100% wrong about Conan's contract stating that he had to be on a show at 11:35. And as you've yet to provide a source (TMZ or otherwise) that says any different, I will stand by that assessment.

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"You also said that Conan said that the time slot was not part of the contract, which he didnt."

Again, going by common sense, which I'm really sorry you completely lack, if Conan had it in his contract to do a show at 11:35, there wouldn't be any talk of a potential move. At that point he wouldn't have to tell people, "No, I'm not going to do my show at 12:05", he could just tell everyone that he's doing the show at 11:35 or he's taking his money. But since that's not what's going on, there must be something to this whole no specified time-slot thing that EVERYBODY is reporting. (Well everybody except TMZ, of course).

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"And if you knew anything about the situation, you would know that this isnt because Conans ratings are bad, they are quiet good actually, its because of Leno's epic failure at the 10pm slot that is costing them valuable prime time real estate. "

His ratings are quiet good, eh? They're still not nearly as good as Leno's were at that slot, and that's what you're failing to see. This entire fiasco is being done because NBC wants to hit the reset button on this whole mess. I'm sure they'd love to put Conan back to his old show as well, but that ship has long sailed. At this point their only option is to shame him into quitting his contract so they don't have to break it themselves.

Also, you should check out the Posting Guidelines on this site.

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"Do not consecutively reply to a topic - If you are within the alloted timespan for editing a message that no one has replied to and you think of something to add, EDIT the message. DO NOT REPLY AGAIN. Constant abuse of this will not be tolerated. "

As well, I presume that

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"haha, just another example of him being owned."

was supposed to be directed to me, but if you'll go back and see, the quote that Stein used wasn't one of mine. So I guess that's more like haha, just another example of you being a colossal retard.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 5:41 PM. Reason : by the way, for future reference, that's what being completely owned looks like.]

1/12/2010 5:39:19 PM