As far as the paleo diet is concerned, I think that it unnecessarily excludes sources of valuable nutrition. I don't think that returning to our hunter gatherer roots is going to be some sort of dietary cure all. I can understand wanting to exclude overly processed and refined foods from our diet, but I think that the exclusion of dairy, grains, legumes, etc. is pointless unless you have some sort of gastrointestinal disease. I know that some argue that eating a paleo diet can help you avoid certain health problems, but could we be putting the cart before the horse.

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Ovalactic vegetarianism. . .yes, there are plenty of sources of protein. . .if you like to eat those foods. And I connect protein and iron. Perhaps, it would have been more correct for me to say iron. As a vegetarian, I had a lot of problems with anemia.

2/22/2010 10:48:13 PM

2/23/2010 6:14:19 AM

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"you know whats delicious raw brocolli and raw green beans and raw sweet pea pods"

2/23/2010 8:20:47 AM

If it doesn't come from a cow, a chicken, or a turkey, it's not worth eating.

2/23/2010 8:54:19 AM

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""i cant find a workout partner cause im a little guy"

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"well the other side of the tale is that i actually do the "girls" workout in that i want definition and not to get much bigger"

1) I doubt your height and weight are any smaller than mine are (or even would be if I didn't work out a lot). My workout partners have always been significantly bigger than I am. Yea you're going to have to take some weight off here and there, but there isn't anything wrong with that. Being small certainly isn't an excuse. Sure you won't hit some of the numbers other people do who are much bigger, but you would be surprised at how much you actually CAN do with work.

2) don't do any "girls" workouts. You want definition? You need muscle to have any definition. Do normal weight workouts. Trust me, from the sounds of it, you have a long long ways before you would ever even have to think about getting "bigger" or "bulkier." And I'm not trying to be rude, its just that too many people are too worried about that when it is rarely a valid concern.

2/23/2010 9:04:25 AM

Why does anyone give a rat's ass what other people eat? Eat what you want, get as a fat or lean as you want, and leave other people alone. Anyone who cares is selling something, which should make you worry about the source immediately.

2/23/2010 9:05:58 AM

because we have so much govt intervention, letting obesity become a large scale problem affects my paycheck

2/23/2010 9:18:01 AM

^ Exactly. Why should my tax money go to support someone with a very preventable health problem?

I follow a pescetarian diet that's very heavy in veggies, legumes and fish. Almost no processed foods. The only reason I don't eat most meat is because I grew up on a beef cattle farm and I'm not comfortable with the level of hormones being injected into livestock. And I eat fish bc I'm addicted to sushi.

Most foods in the grocery store are terrible for you. High fructose corn syrup. Partially hydrogenated oils. Sodium nitrite. The list continues. These toxic ingredients are in almost all processed foods. I wish people would educate themselves more on food and the health risks of these ingredients.

But Americans choose convenience over quality. It's a shame.

2/23/2010 9:27:06 AM

Food Inc

i actually don't mind the "barry bonds" chicken, it's more of a cost issue though, i could never afford to eat 4000 cals/day of a high protein organic diet, would be at least triple my food budget

oatmeal
frozen veggies
peanuts
tons of lean meats, especially those on the clearance rack, show up at 5pm!
and of course, whey

2/23/2010 9:33:06 AM

^ One of the few ways in which it pays to be a girl. It's not as expensive to eat just 1500 calories per day.

2/23/2010 9:38:22 AM

I'll enjoy my chick-fil-a and be "overweight" (according to BMI) and happy. Maybe I'll have coronary disease later on in life, maybe I won't. Maybe I'll get hit by a bus tomorrow.

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"^ Exactly. Why should my tax money go to support someone with a very preventable health problem?"

Personal freedom trumps your indignation of how your tax money is spent. Enjoy your legumes. Let other people enjoy their ho-hos. Also, calling high fructose corn syrup "toxic" is intellectually dishonest.

Mercury in fish is toxic. Note that I'm not saying eating sushi is bad for you or anyone should stop eating delicious albacore tuna.

2/23/2010 10:29:38 AM

As long as I'm subsidizing your health care costs by helping to pay for your fat ass knee replacements, blood pressure medication, diabetes treatment, and quadruple bypass surgery, I get the freedom to tell you that you're a fat fuck who eats too much fucking fat food and needs to get on a goddamn treadmill.

Want to whine? Great. I'll drop my health insurance coverage. I don't need it. Enjoy seeing your premiums skyrocket, you fat fuck.

2/23/2010 10:33:43 AM

On second thought, this isn't the Soap Box.

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM. Reason : .]

2/23/2010 10:44:46 AM

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"^ Exactly. Why should my tax money go to support someone with a very preventable health problem?"

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"As long as I'm subsidizing your health care costs by helping to pay for your fat ass knee replacements, blood pressure medication, diabetes treatment, and quadruple bypass surgery, I get the freedom to tell you that you're a fat fuck who eats too much fucking fat food and needs to get on a goddamn treadmill. Want to whine? Great. I'll drop my health insurance coverage. I don't need it. Enjoy seeing your premiums skyrocket, you fat fuck."

It has been well proven that fat people take less from the government thanks to the fact that they die earlier. Less medicare, less social security, etc.

In addition, overweight people who buy their own health insurance already pay a premium for their condition. It's all factored into the cost of insurance. If you're on a group plan at work then you can be thankful for the subsidies you are receiving by your employer. Furthermore, sometime in the next 15 years or so you will probably become the leech on the system. It's a natural part of growing old.

If you're really that fucking healthy then you should forego any type of group plan and go get a single plan of your own. I did this in my early 20's when nearly all of my coworkers were 50+ and the group plan from work was very expensive. I still do it today due to the fact that I don't like my current company's insurance offerings.

All of the older folks I know who are/were athletes have severe problems in their 40s and 50s. The cartilage in their knees is gone, they've had multiple ACL/MCL surgeries, herniated discs in their backs, torn rotator cuffs, etc. They all draw far more from their insurance than the dude who keels over and dies of a heart attack at age 50 ever will and they'll probably keep drawing until they're like 85 years old.

You guys can both lose your smug attitude. Staying in shape is something you should do for yourself. If you don't like laziness or slothfulness then fine, but your arguments that it is somehow costing you money don't hold up to scrutiny.

2/23/2010 10:53:56 AM

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"It has been well proven that fat people take less from the government thanks to the fact that they die earlier."

I'd be interested in hearing more on your well proven theories.

2/23/2010 11:02:39 AM

Let me google that for you.

2/23/2010 11:06:40 AM

Yea, the first link is for "Excess Pounds, but Not Too Many, May Lead to Longer Life"

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+It+has+been+well+proven+that+fat+people+take+less+from+the+government+thanks+to+the+fact+that+they+die+earlier&l=1

good job buddy

a later one has this quote:

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"This extra weight has caused a sharp increase in chronic diseases, like diabetes, that are unusually costly. Other public-health scourges, like lung cancer, have tended to kill their victims quickly, which (in the most tragic possible way) holds down their long-term cost. Obesity is different. A recent article in Health Affairs estimated its annual cost to be $147 billion and growing. That translates into $1,250 per household, mostly in taxes and insurance premiums."

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 11:21 AM. Reason : cool story brah]

2/23/2010 11:18:17 AM

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"Mercury in fish is toxic. Note that I'm not saying eating sushi is bad for you or anyone should stop eating delicious albacore tuna."

I don't recommend eating albacore tuna. But salmon once or twice a week isn't really bad for you because it has very low levels of mercury.

2/23/2010 11:18:56 AM

http://tinyurl.com/yjfacq2

^^ Try this one instead.

^ I've heard that if you can find higher fat canned/bagged tuna it is lower in mercury. They're supposedly younger fish than the ones that are caught in nets in deep water. And they're Omega 3's so you probably need them anyway. I haven't had any luck with in normal grocery stores though.

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 11:27 AM. Reason : s]

2/23/2010 11:26:53 AM

blah blah, usually it works out we exchange one evil for the other, blah blah, my chronic injuries as a result of getting in shape are probably just as much of a utilitarian burden as my inevitable ascent to diabetes & obesity in my future years had i not made the lifestyle change, hell, i may still get diabetes etc, blah blah

i kind of wish i could do it all over again with the knowledge i have now...its fun to mess with my body

Feb 7 - 204lbs
Feb 18 - 223lbs
Feb 21 - 214lbs
Feb 23 - 211lbs

zzz....Endomorphs rule

2/23/2010 11:27:16 AM

^^It was a fucking joke, dickwad. But even in jest, the results came back against your "well proven" theory.

2/23/2010 11:30:00 AM

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"i need to work out"

2/23/2010 11:53:39 AM

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"It has been well proven that fat people take less from the government thanks to the fact that they die earlier. Less medicare, less social security, etc."

Yes but older people contribute more to society. If our average life span is 90 years, people can work until 60, retire and stimulate the economy for the next 30 years.

Compare that to a fat fuck who leeches off the system until he dies at 60 from a heart attack.

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"blah blah, usually it works out we exchange one evil for the other, blah blah, my chronic injuries as a result of getting in shape are probably just as much of a utilitarian burden as my inevitable ascent to diabetes & obesity in my future years had i not made the lifestyle change, hell, i may still get diabetes etc, blah blah"

Not even close. A knee replacement for a runner/athelete is easy outpatient surgery and incredibly cheap compared to a bypass.

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ]

2/23/2010 11:59:19 AM

In that case the US is set now that the baby boomers are retiring!!! Best stimulus package ever!

Remind me of how drawing social security and using medicare stimulates the economy?

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 1:14 PM. Reason : s]

2/23/2010 1:14:04 PM

Do you think all of that retirement and social security savings just vanishes into thin air?

2/23/2010 1:24:19 PM

*facepalm*

you shouldn't have agreed to his unfounded premise that fat people die that much younger and don't offset that with extraordinary medical costs


yea.... nothing wrong with paying people not to work so they can buy shit with government money



[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/23/2010 1:25:48 PM

^ Ha ha...I was actually thinking "I can't believe he just agreed with me."

2/23/2010 1:29:13 PM

on the latter part, I am

2/23/2010 1:30:46 PM

So, would it make more sense for me to go on a weight gain diet and quit exercising?

2/23/2010 1:33:27 PM

for the better of society, yes

2/23/2010 1:44:22 PM

Is your self worth measured solely by your contribution to insurance and government plans?

Even if you it is; obesity related illnesses are not the only way or most efficient way to die young.

So I guess the answer is no.

2/23/2010 1:48:15 PM

Good point. Base jumping may be a better plan.

2/23/2010 1:53:34 PM

Yeah because I was totally agreeing with him when I said

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"Compare that to a fat fuck who leeches off the system until he dies at 60 from a heart attack."

2/23/2010 2:20:33 PM