3%

5/26/2010 1:09:54 AM

That's an appropriate level of taxation.

5/26/2010 1:11:25 AM

... letting homeless live in your empty hotel rooms?

really?

5/26/2010 1:20:03 AM

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"I almost can't wait until Civil War II. The tree of liberty needs a drink...."

Timothy McVeigh was wearing a shirt with that quote on it when he was arrested for the Oklahoma City bombing. It's always funny to me how it's perfectly acceptable for conservatives to threaten violent revolution because they disagree with the policies of a President, but when liberals merely criticize the policies of a President they are committing treason.

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"and what do the really really rich do when the taxes are too high - go some where else"

right, because no one tried to evade income/inheritance/capital gains taxes before they were whatever you arbitrarily consider to be "too high"

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"If your grandparents or parents want to sacrifice, not buy all the latest Apple shit put out, to accumulate wealth to make thier kids life easier why penalize them?"

Yeah I'm sure alot of parents or grandparents who sacrificied buying an IPod/IPad for their offspring left an estate valued at over $1 million.

[Edited on May 26, 2010 at 1:33 AM. Reason : .]

5/26/2010 1:31:52 AM

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" ... letting homeless live in your empty hotel rooms? really?"

yes people are sleeping on the street while theirs probably 3 tiems as many beds in this nation as people. It wouldn't hurt anytthing for hotels at after a certain time to let homeless fill 80% of the vacant rooms

Also, many people are missing dinner tonight just so you can have a fancy bike in the garage. Its macroeconmics. To go a step further, if you understood hwo the global balance worked, you would understand that people are basically starving/drowning/etc to death just so you can have an empty seasonal cottage.

You can't be a christian and a libertarian at the same time. The two are just not compatible You can't serve God and money. Its one or the other.

Its both immoral and completely against the teachings of Jesus.

[Edited on May 26, 2010 at 1:40 AM. Reason : k]

5/26/2010 1:38:39 AM

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"You can't be a christian and a libertarian capitalist at the same time."

5/26/2010 1:40:39 AM

one in the selfish same

5/26/2010 1:47:06 AM

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"Being taxed because your parents left you too much money. This sounds like an awesome problem to have. I wish I was able to complain about it."

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"right, because no one tried to evade income/inheritance/capital gains taxes before they were whatever you arbitrarily consider to be "too high""

Well and never mind that if you are an American citizen and make $80,000 or more annually, regardless of where that income is earned, you still have to pay your cut to the IRS.

5/26/2010 1:58:12 AM

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"Capitalism doesn't take skill or talent. It just takes a huge wad of cash to start off with."

Really? Where does that wad of cash come from?

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"It wouldn't hurt anytthing for hotels at after a certain time to let homeless fill 80% of the vacant rooms"

The first major issues that come to mind:
1. No one wants to stay in a hotel room that smells like a homeless person
2. No one wants to stay in a hotel where they're accosted by panhandling bums in the hallway
3. No one wants to stay in a hotel that's surrounded by the homeless people who sleep there every night
4. The hotel would have to take on more staff to clean up after the homeless people who are staying there for free
5. Homeless people would trash a good number of rooms and steal a good number of stuff from the hotel because they know that they can't be held accountable.
6. Homeless people will stop looking for work because they can just panhandle all day then shack up at the Hilton every night. Hell, some college graduates would do that.

You're asking a hotel to take on more staff in order to accommodate people who pay nothing and scare off paying customers. I'll tell you exactly what will happen: people will stop staying at your hotels and you will go out of business, putting thousands of your employees out of work.

The right thing to do is run a successful business and then start something like The Hilton Foundation and give/will your money to that. I know that your idiotic short-sighted solution is to throw money at the homeless to make them go away, but it only makes the problem worse.

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"Also, many people are missing dinner tonight just so you can have a fancy bike in the garage."

Except for the guy who sold me the bike. And the people who built the bike. And the people who processed the metal and rubber that it's made of. I'm sure that they would much rather me keep the money in the bank instead of spending it on their goods.

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"Its all about greed with YOU PEOPLE and stepping up a staircase made of the necks of your neighbors."

Same alias, same class warrior bullshit. People can be successful and still help their neighbor and be compassionate about others. How did you end up being such a self-hating trust fund baby? Did daddy spend too much time at the office and not enough time having tea parties with you?

5/26/2010 3:12:56 PM

The tax is bull. Any smart person would know that. The rest of you will grow up and then realize that your hard earned money is being stolen from you every chance that the .gov gets.

My grandma died last year, and my family is dealing with this tax. Her estate was mostly in commercial real estate, and my parents/aunt/uncle are having to figure out what parts or wholes of shopping centers to sell in order to pay the government their share of her dieing. I'm sure my grandpa is rolling over in his grave w/ the powers of perpetual motion in dis-belief.

Ohhh, boo hoo my family? Right? Poor us having to figure out what to do with shopping centers. Someone has to own them, and my family (yes, all of us) have worked long and hard to have them and keep them. Maybe we should just give them to the government to run, because we all know how well that would work.
Now one of those filthy, dirty, gross 'rich' people is going to buy part of a shopping center so my family can pay its taxes.

5/26/2010 8:50:52 PM

Mr. Joshua, very well put. I wasnt going to respond to that girl's antics, but I'm glad you did.

I wonder if she cries herself to sleep at night knowing that many people are walking because she has a Mitsubishi Eclipse in her garage

5/27/2010 11:24:22 PM

i just wanted to post that I started this thread because I thought the original post was a funny line, didnt realize it'd actually spurn this much debate


carry on

5/28/2010 1:15:14 AM

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"Really? Where does that wad of cash come from? "

Its inherited. I'll post more on this in the morning.

6/20/2010 2:11:56 AM

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"Same alias, same class warrior bullshit."

The most effective class warriors are the rich

6/20/2010 2:24:05 AM

It's easy to rail against the inheritence tax, until you realize that it's hurting you or someone you know and those people aren't exactly part of the old money elite.

6/20/2010 3:42:57 AM

6/20/2010 4:12:27 AM

^^not possible since theres never a tax on the first 3.5 million.

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"until you realize that it's hurting you or someone you know and those people aren't exactly part of the old money elite."

because of the exemption. it can never "hurt" anyone.

6/20/2010 12:39:29 PM

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"Ohhh, boo hoo my family? Right? Poor us having to figure out what to do with shopping centers."

Why did you wait till someone died to deal with it then? No shit it's a nightmare at that point.

6/20/2010 12:49:30 PM

^prob wasnt his choice to wait


maybe it was an unexpected death

6/20/2010 1:04:56 PM

Why do some assets like commercial real estate as mentioned above require liquidation to pay taxes on said real estate and other assets like equities get a step UP in cost basis and no forceable liquidation after a death and subsequent change of possession?

6/20/2010 2:31:48 PM

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"Its inherited. I'll post more on this in the morning."

Ok. Post more.

I'd still like to hear how you're going to pay for your five star homeless shelters.

6/20/2010 3:36:50 PM

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"1. No one wants to stay in a hotel room that smells like a homeless person"

despite what you may believe, ownership of a home does not come with a certain smell; access to a shower does. They would no longer smell "homeless".

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" 2. No one wants to stay in a hotel where they're accosted by panhandling bums in the hallway 3. No one wants to stay in a hotel that's surrounded by the homeless people who sleep there every night"

ehh this comes with any major city anyway. panhandling can be prohibited on the property.

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"4. The hotel would have to take on more staff to clean up after the homeless people who are staying there for free"

Thats a possible disaster as it would create jobs for such a pointless cause.

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"5. Homeless people would trash a good number of rooms and steal a good number of stuff from the hotel because they know that they can't be held accountable."

they could be blacklisted.

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" The right thing to do is run a successful business and then start something like The Hilton Foundation and give/will your money to that. I know that your idiotic short-sighted solution is to throw money at the homeless to make them go away, but it only makes the problem worse. "

Honestly, its pretty feasible to create a government program that works in a way similar to wic for food. You get a card thats good for a certain amount of lodging points, can only be used for basic rooms and can be charged up by taking on volunteer opportunities. Whoever wants to use it can use it. You could volunteer and use the points for vacation or you could use teh points for a place to live. Every person gets a certain amount of free points per year to get on their feet. It works like a credit card so you do have accountability. If you are kicked out of a hotel it shows up. Hotels are forced to honor it after 8pm.

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"I wonder if she cries herself to sleep at night knowing that many people are walking because she has a Mitsubishi Eclipse in her garage"

I did lose the eclipse and cut down on driving/carbon footprint so I won't have to feel as guilty about flooding out millions of people in the near future.

6/21/2010 3:07:43 AM

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"If you want to keep that money, all of it, just give it to your wife. See, the IRS allows you a one-time-only gift to your spouse. It's good up to sixty thousand dollars. It's perfectly legal. Go ask the IRS, they'll say the same thing. Actually, I feel silly telling you all this. I'm sure you would have investigated the matter yourself."

6/21/2010 7:09:15 AM

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"despite what you may believe, ownership of a home does not come with a certain smell; access to a shower does. They would no longer smell "homeless"."

You don't realize that around 50% of the homeless are mentally ill and don't care what they smell like.

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"ehh this comes with any major city anyway."

No, in your scenario all of the homeless people in the city would be concentrated around 1 hotel and most wouldn't venture more than a block away during the course of the day. Who is going to pay to stay at such a place?

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"panhandling can be prohibited on the property."

Easier said than done. Whenever a homeless guy passes a paying guest in the hallway he is going to ask them for money. There is no way to prohibit that.

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"Thats a possible disaster as it would create jobs for such a pointless cause."

No the disaster would be the hotel going under and thousands of people losing their jobs. You're asking a hotel chain to take on additional staff to care for guests who don't pay, but do manage to scare off all of your paying customers. You're suggesting the worst possible business plan that I've ever heard.

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"they could be blacklisted."

How? Do many homeless people carry around ID cards, social security cards, or drivers licenses?

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"Honestly, its pretty feasible to create a government program that works in a way similar to wic for food."

This is where you really fuck up your idea. You started off suggesting that Hilton hotels do it voluntarily because it's a nice thing to do, which is only mildly idiotic. Now you're turning it into a mandatory government program. Who is going to pay for it?

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"You get a card thats good for a certain amount of lodging points, can only be used for basic rooms and can be charged up by taking on volunteer opportunities. Whoever wants to use it can use it. You could volunteer and use the points for vacation or you could use teh points for a place to live. Every person gets a certain amount of free points per year to get on their feet. It works like a credit card so you do have accountability."

So I can use my card to take a vacation at a homeless shelter? Awesome! Also, it's not volunteer work if it's earning you something. The fact that you're using "points" instead of "dollars" doesn't somehow make the "volunteer" work altruistic. This honestly sounds like a government program that someone idiot would come up with in North Korea.

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"Hotels are forced to honor it after 8pm."

What kind of authoritarian fantasy land do you live in?

6/21/2010 2:40:30 PM

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""If you want to keep that money, all of it, just give it to your wife. See, the IRS allows you a one-time-only gift to your spouse. It's good up to sixty thousand dollars. It's perfectly legal. Go ask the IRS, they'll say the same thing. Actually, I feel silly telling you all this. I'm sure you would have investigated the matter yourself.""

marital deductions are unlimited

6/21/2010 4:22:28 PM

^



"Son, I am disappoint"

6/21/2010 4:34:51 PM

The same thing happens at grocery stores. Stores must accept wic but only for certain products. All grocery stores must accept it. No hotel would go out of business because they would all have homeless people in them. The homeless people wouldn't be a turnoff anyway because they'd be off of the street. The mentally ill should be put into mental hospitals to be fixed. These are the things the government is supposed to do. Govern. Make sure everyone has the ability to survive, the neccessities, sick people are off the street and everyone gets along.

6/21/2010 9:52:23 PM

^ You might want to look up govern in the dictionary.

6/21/2010 10:57:38 PM

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"Stores must accept wic but only for certain products."

Yes, the cheapest product available to prevent abuses.

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"No hotel would go out of business because they would all have homeless people in them."

Nice hotels would get hurt the most because thats where the homeless would scramble to stay and their reputation as "nice hotels" would be ruined because you've turned them into housing projects and drug dens.

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"The homeless people wouldn't be a turnoff anyway because they'd be off of the street."

Residents of housing projects will always be a turnoff to people who are debating splurging and staying at the Four Seasons.

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"The mentally ill should be put into mental hospitals to be fixed."

Not all mentally ill can be "fixed".

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"These are the things the government is supposed to do."

Destroy whole industries by making them non-profit groups?

At this point you've got to be trolling. No sensible person would make an argument this idiotic.

6/22/2010 12:43:38 PM

People don't avoid beaches and places like time square where all the homeless people live so to say they would avoid hotels because homeless people are around is an unbounded statement. Its even worse because current homeless people stink but the ones in the hotel would have access to bathrooms.

6/22/2010 6:42:30 PM

how did this go from a thread about inheritance tax to a mambagrl the troll thread. i am sad that people really are this stupid

6/22/2010 6:48:19 PM

I'm not a fan of the word epic and it's current use in society, but I beleive that it concisely conveys the stupidity that I have just found that passes for logical thought.

6/22/2010 6:49:45 PM

Homeless people are people too.

6/22/2010 7:07:44 PM

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"People don't avoid beaches and places like time square where all the homeless people live so to say they would avoid hotels because homeless people are around is an unbounded statement."

Actually, Times Square has been a much more popular tourist destination since they ran off all of the homeless people there. Thanks for bringing that up.

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"Its even worse because current homeless people stink but the ones in the hotel would have access to bathrooms."

Homeless shelters have bathrooms.

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"Homeless people are people too."

Who is arguing otherwise?

6/22/2010 8:09:26 PM