3 dog night

5/23/2010 1:58:02 PM

OK, let me clarify some details here.

There was only one car on the road. It was a residential area with a low speed limit.

The event occurred around 9:30.

And to reiterate -- since there's some confusion -- my problem isn't with the guy hitting the dog. That was understandable. Small black dog at night in the rain. The owner should've been keeping a better eye on it. Hell, I should have, too -- I was sober -- but he was out of my frame of vision for maybe a minute when he got hit.

But that dog was wailing loud enough that we heard it for some time as it was dragged away, so I don't buy the "driver didn't here it" argument.

5/23/2010 2:20:21 PM

Its a shame there is no such thing as a leash.

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5/23/2010 2:22:09 PM

You can not murder a dog, or a cat or whatever. Murder is the intentional killing of another human. AND i doubt they intentionally hit the dog to kill it. So it would be manslughter, oh wait, a dog is still not a human.

Shit happens, it sucks, be glad it wasnt a kid or you.

Call me a heartless bastard, i dont care, you can get a new dog when the sniffles go away.

5/23/2010 2:23:28 PM

Yeah seriously, if you are going to bring your pet places and not watch it then you don't deserve to have one. Sucks that the dog died but maybe the owner will learn that he's not responsible enough to have a pet.
We let our dog out all the time but the second a car turns on the road we call it over and keep a close watch, also our dog isn't dumb enough to walk in the street without one of us because we fucking harassed the shit out of it as a puppy when she tried.

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[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ]

5/23/2010 2:24:33 PM

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"ea that is the thing that makes me feel sick is that there are so many people who are morally fine not taking responsibility for something and not having the balls to say "i'm sorry""

Give me a break - it not the drivers fault. If I hit a cat, I feel no sadness or remorse. It is the owners responsibility to keep track of their pets.

The fact you feel that a animals life is just as important as a persons shows you need to grow up. Are you a member of PETA? Vegan?

5/23/2010 2:27:55 PM

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""driver didn't here it""

No one is making that argument to my knowledge. However, hear is a different story.

5/23/2010 2:29:22 PM

shit.

if its raining i wouldn't get out of my car if i hit a fucking infant

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[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM. Reason : girl i just got my weave]

5/23/2010 2:32:17 PM

I would have at least stopped the car to get the dog unstuck from it before I kept going.

5/23/2010 2:35:31 PM

Oh my fucking God, I made a typographical error. Stop the presses. Call CNN. Alert the town criers, that they may shout it to the peasantry.

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"The fact you feel that a animals life is just as important as a persons"

Show me where I -- or anybody, for that matter -- said such a thing.

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"You can not murder a dog, or a cat or whatever. Murder is the intentional killing of another human."

OK man, let me fill you in on some things. First: Words are not always used in a completely literal sense. Two: They didn't intentionally hit it, but they sure as shit intentionally dragged it, removing any chance of saving it. Which is the point of the entire fucking thread. Three: I am glad it wasn't a kid, or me. If it were a random adult I would be glad it wasn't a kid or me. Hell, if it were his holiness the motherfucking pope, I would be glad it wasn't the kid or me. And in all of these cases, being glad it wasn't a kid or me wouldn't magically make me happy or neutral about the event as it fucking happens.

5/23/2010 2:36:28 PM

GrumpyGOP PWNT - stay home

I was talking about khcadwal childish remarks:

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" just because it is human it is automatically more valuable? "

5/23/2010 2:45:15 PM

Yeah, I'm still not seeing the part where somebody said animal life was as important as human life.

5/23/2010 2:49:47 PM

reading can be tricky. Try to sound out the big words.

5/23/2010 2:51:05 PM

I think the suggestion was that some human lives aren't particularly valuable. I would aim my car for Osama bin Laden but I would try, within the confines of safety, to avoid hitting a dog.

Some human lives are valued so lowly that you get medals for ending them. Some are valuable enough that you get medals for saving them. Clearly there's a range there. Membership in the species does not automatically give you positive value.

5/23/2010 2:57:32 PM

^ehhh, so you are one of those that will avoid hitting a dog/car/possum/snake/turtle but would hit head on with another car or the little old lady walking on the side of the road (useful life, old lady only has a few years left, possum, well, might be around for awhile).

Well, now it is in a much better place, in doggy heaven.......

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 3:05 PM. Reason : w]

5/23/2010 2:59:47 PM

Wow. It's like I type things, and they must be invisible.

"Within the confines of safety"

These are words. They mean things. I don't just type them to give my fingers a workout.

I have hit animals before when swerving or braking were not viable options. When they are viable options, I will avoid hitting the animal. Because that would be WITHIN THE CONFINES OF SAFETY.

5/23/2010 3:07:43 PM

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"I was sober"

WAIT WHAT?

5/23/2010 3:10:17 PM

I was, when it happened. I was DD. After the dog thing I came home and got bombed. I was NOT sober when the thread was made.

5/23/2010 3:16:03 PM

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"^ehhh, so you are one of those that will avoid hitting a dog/car/possum/snake/turtle but would hit head on with another car or the little old lady walking on the side of the road (useful life, old lady only has a few years left, possum, well, might be around for awhile)."

I sometimes wonder how some of you have drivers licenses.

If you can't come to a quick and safe stop in an emergency or lack the ability to maneuver around unexpected danger, obstacles, etc, you do not belong behind a wheel.


Unless you are sitting in one of these cars



You have no excuse for not knowing how to come to a safe and complete stop or maneuver to avoid hitting something in the road.



[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM. Reason : *There are always exceptions*]

5/23/2010 3:24:10 PM

did any of your cry, when you found out the dog was dead?

5/23/2010 6:51:08 PM

Did anyone figure out that this thread was about the fact that the driver dragged the dog for a mile as opposed to stopping after it was hit? And not about whether he "avoided" it or not. I mean if someone jumps out in the street and you hit them, it's probably not your fault, but if you drag them along behind your car for a mile... Well that's not normal behavior.

5/23/2010 6:56:33 PM

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" ANY OF YOUR CRY"

5/23/2010 7:04:59 PM

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"I mean if someone jumps out in the street and you hit them, it's probably not your fault, but if you drag them along behind your car for a mile... Well that's not normal behavior."

I think that's called lynching

5/23/2010 7:12:43 PM

^^fucking do it right, would you

5/23/2010 7:19:30 PM

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"DO IT RIGHT "

5/23/2010 7:20:57 PM

That's pretty disgusting. I think they would know if they had hit a dog, but maybe they were drunk/tired/whatever.

Anyway, how many animals have had to suffer so people could eat meat? Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.

5/23/2010 7:23:46 PM

this shit pisses me off

Britt and I stopped on Trailwood yesterday to move a large turtle from the road.

just sayin'.

5/23/2010 7:24:22 PM

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"Anyway, how many animals have had to suffer so people could eat meat? Out of sight, out of mind, I guess."

Not the same thing at all. We are consuming the resources so its not going to waste.

Unless you like it medium well or well done, then its a fucking waste indeed.

5/23/2010 7:39:29 PM

5/23/2010 7:49:05 PM

cool gif, blackdog

5/23/2010 8:19:16 PM

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"Not the same thing at all. We are consuming the resources so its not going to waste. Unless you like it medium well or well done, then its a fucking waste indeed."

Is packing on another layer of fat that much better than meat "going to waste"? If the driver had eaten the dog would that have made it okay?

5/23/2010 8:21:47 PM

How do you know it was dragged away. Probably it wailed as it ran away.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 8:26 PM. Reason : asd]

5/23/2010 8:25:14 PM

Yeah it probably crushed its legs & ribs and skidded across the pavement. Its not like he hit a cow or some shit.

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5/23/2010 8:27:25 PM

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"Is packing on another layer of fat that much better than meat "going to waste"? If the driver had eaten the dog would that have made it okay?"

Packing on another layer of fat on who/what/huh?

Also, running over an animal by accident is not the same as consuming animal products. Sorry your vegan ways are stupid.

5/23/2010 8:56:16 PM

If you find the guy, let me know.

5/23/2010 9:00:46 PM

Next time I'm hungry I'll ride around the neighborhood looking for dogs to run over. Then I'll eat it. I'll even leave a note with the carcass saying how delicious rover was.

5/23/2010 9:00:53 PM

ROFL

5/23/2010 9:05:10 PM

5/23/2010 9:08:01 PM

the last time i hit a dog i tried to find the owner because i wanted to know who to make pay for the damaged fog light and wheel liner from when their unsecured dog went kamikaze into my car.

5/23/2010 9:12:20 PM

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"You do understand we are talking about animals, not people. Sick to your stomach, for real?"

You do realize that saying that you believe people are simply minerals or vegetation doesn't help your argument, right?


"We are talking about all vegetation, not Quercus alba."

5/23/2010 9:12:50 PM

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"Packing on another layer of fat on who/what/huh?"

In other words, you don't really need to eat meat. We have access to a shitload of cheap food in this country. If we were living in the ice age and there was no vegetation, killing animals would be necessary for survival. It's not necessary for survival now.

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"Also, running over an animal by accident is not the same as consuming animal products. Sorry your vegan ways are stupid. "

I'm not a vegan, just trying to expose inconsistencies. I would say running over an animal by accident is not nearly as bad as eating meat on a daily basis. You can't help hitting a dog that runs out into the street at 3 in the morning. You can help eating a hamburger. The difference is that we have dogs as pets in this country, and in this particular situation, someone was actually forced to see an animal suffering in real life. Would people be so gung-ho about eating meat if they were forced to see the death of every animal they ate, and the conditions under which that animal was raised?

5/23/2010 9:22:42 PM

dragging a dog under your car is worse than eating an animal that was stunned and killed quickly

5/23/2010 9:35:48 PM

For a lack of bread
the dog is dead
For a lack of meat
the dog is eat

5/23/2010 9:39:55 PM

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"In other words, you don't really need to eat meat. We have access to a shitload of cheap food in this country. If we were living in the ice age and there was no vegetation, killing animals would be necessary for survival. It's not necessary for survival now."

I will eat my meats, thanks.

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"I'm not a vegan, just trying to expose inconsistencies. I would say running over an animal by accident is not nearly as bad as eating meat on a daily basis. You can't help hitting a dog that runs out into the street at 3 in the morning. You can help eating a hamburger. The difference is that we have dogs as pets in this country, and in this particular situation, someone was actually forced to see an animal suffering in real life. Would people be so gung-ho about eating meat if they were forced to see the death of every animal they ate, and the conditions under which that animal was raised?"

I have seen the death of multiple animals with the purpose of eating it, I have no problems with this. Animals have their purpose some happen to have a more appetizing purpose in life.

5/23/2010 9:43:53 PM

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"if you can't even stop when you hit an animal BULLSHIT that you would stop if it was a little kid, who if you're flying through a neighborhood fast enough to hit an animal"

First of all, whether you believe it or not, people do assign different values of life to different forms of life, and this is evident by our criminal system. The crime for hit and run of a dog is almost non-existent, whereas for a human, it's a huge penalty. You can try comparing the two, but because of the punishment for each are totally different, it's an apples to orange comparison.

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"you are probably even more likely to hit cause kids dart out into the road in neighborhoods all the time"

That is the parent's responsibility. I would stop, but it IS the parents responsibility to keep an eye on their kids. Fuck, college kids also dart out too (I saw a bunch of dumbshits do it a few weeks ago). Sometimes, as a driver, there is nothing you can do.

And it seems to me that your idea of neighborhood is a 1/3 to 1/2 acre lots with small to medium sized homes in a tight nit development in the suburbs. You do realize that many people do live on highways or very busy roads, where the speed limit is usually 45-55 MPH? At those speeds, if a kid darts in front of you, it's very easy to hit anything that darts in front of you. I know you want to put everything on the driver, because you think that people only live in residential neighborhoods where the speed limit is 35 MPH, max. I know you want to blame drivers for hitting animals, because you are a huge sympathizer with animals.

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"and if you can't stop for a dog cause you're scared of how pissed the owners would be are you gonna stop for a kid? probbbbbbbably gonna be pretty pissed then. and you're probably going to get charged with something too."

Again, you keep trying to compare the two. If you hit a child, the punishment for hit and run far outweighs the risk of a trigger happy redneck. However, if it was me, I would stop, but not get out of the car (I would call the police). I would first want to see the parents reaction. If the father comes out with a shot gun, I'm hauling ass out of there. There is no need for anyone to come out with a shot gun as their first reaction to their child getting hit, unless it was retribution for hitting their child. You can call me a pussy or whatever, but it's pretty naive of you to not protect your own life in situations like that. You have no idea how big of a hot head someone is, and if you killed their child, there's no sense in you dieing as well over a mistake.

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"so if you're the hit and run kind of person, you should probably be hit and run across the board. it will pan out better for you in the end."

Your logic would make sense if the punishment for each was the same. Since they are not, that is an illogical argument.

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"why not? why not make sure it was at least dead and not suffering?"

For me, it depends in the neighborhood. If it is a rich or middle class area, I'll do just that and try to find the owner, or take it to the vet if it's still alive. If it is a trailer park or a run down area, I'm hauling ass out of there.

This might seem cruel, but you'd be pretty naive to think that people don't act like total hot heads when it comes to their animal. People get too emotionally attached to it, and if they are prone to violence, that is the first thing they are going to go to. That's the simple truth to it, especially in the south.

This is not to say that I wouldn't try to avoid the animal, I would. But once when it's hit, I'm not going to risk my life in a poor area. But this is all very circumstantial.

5/23/2010 10:51:13 PM