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[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:05:08 PM

whats the distance to the hill and i'll tell you

or to the curve if other direction

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 4:05:30 PM

See earlier post, I demand calculations before you claim that 120 mph somehow causes light to bend around vehicles that makes them invisible to people looking down the road


There is no hill

5/27/2010 4:05:41 PM

to the curve then

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM. Reason : cause there is a hill one way and curve the other]

5/27/2010 4:05:54 PM

no one reads my posts ITT

5/27/2010 4:06:05 PM

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"taught in drivers ed"

most ironic statement ever.

5/27/2010 4:06:13 PM

.3 miles

5/27/2010 4:06:18 PM

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"I'll tell you what, you show me the calculations, with work, that show how far away from the intersection the cop was when the old lady started the left hand turn and then we will all judge whether or not she should have seen him. "

Well, let's say that it takes her 5 seconds to pull out from the intersection onto the road.

If he was going 120mph, that's 176 feet per second, meaning that he would have been 880 feet away when she pulled out to still collide with her.

Now, look at this map:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=&daddr=35.973648,-79.916203&geocode=&hl=en&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=35.97472,-79.913317&sspn=0.003529,0.006968&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=18

See the legend down there? That's how far 100 feet is. Now multiply that by nine times. That's how far away he was.

5/27/2010 4:06:54 PM

So he was only 880 feet away (ish) when she started the turn? or 880 + (176*5) = 1760 feet?

Both of those seem like reasonable distances to see a car coming and stop

5/27/2010 4:09:00 PM

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"My take on this, seeing as we don't have very much information: -If his siren was on, it's the fault of the people pulling out in front of him. Still sad that people died, though. -If he just had his lights on without the siren, then that was incredibly unsafe and we (probably) could not have expected the other car to know he was coming. Mostly his fault, and he needs to face some punishment or reprimand for it, even if it's just being fired. At the very least, he should be fired in this case."

5/27/2010 4:09:01 PM

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"quagmire chokes on the backpedal dick itt"

i'm sorry, please point out to me where i'm backpedaling anything...i claim that both the woman and the officer contributed to the accident and as such, both are at fault, regardless of who died

do you have evidence suggesting that i've said it's definitely the fault of one and not of the other? or are you just talking out of your ass? yeah, that's what i thought

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"i don't think the specifics of an intersection should matter."

i disagree with you 100%...you absolutely cannot make a set of laws that covers EVERY situation and so you have to create a set that covers the majority and leaves room for human judgment

since human judgment (and laws, for that matter) can be flawed, accidents happen...a woman who didn't look before turning and an officer that didn't check his speed like he should have are not the same thing as a guy who pulls out a gun and shoots someone in the face, even if the result is the same

you know, i have been accused of seeing things in black and white before, but some of you jackasses really take the cake

5/27/2010 4:09:50 PM

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"So he was only 880 feet away (ish) when she started the turn? or 880 + (176*5) = 1760 feet? Both of those seem like reasonable distances to see a car coming and stop"

Reasonable distance to see a car? Sure.

Does the average motorist have any fucking idea what a car traveling 120mph looks like and how fast it's going to reach you? Obviously not.

5/27/2010 4:10:20 PM

It's called depth perception, we use it to judge timing all the time when we drive

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:11 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:10:50 PM

^^^

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"since human judgment (and laws, for that matter) can be flawed, accidents happen...a woman who didn't look before turning and an officer that didn't check his speed like he should have are not the same thing as a guy who pulls out a gun and shoots someone in the face, even if the result is the same "

OMG REALLY. thanks for clearing that up for me. whew. i'm just glad you said laws can be flawed. never thought i'd hear that from you. glad we agree on something.

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 4:11:15 PM

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"It's called depth perception, we use it to judge timing all the time when we drive"

With that mentality, I should be able to easily hit a 105mph fastball as easily as a 45mph fastball.

Because... depth perception!

5/27/2010 4:11:59 PM

not women, apprently

^^People in the MLB can. It's not a matter of you having poor depth perception, it's a matter of you being a weakling who can't swing a bat fast enough

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:12:00 PM

yeah, and how often do you see a car travelling 120mph? if she looked up the road just a couple seconds before she made the turn she wouldnt have even seen a car moving that fast around the turn

5/27/2010 4:12:40 PM

I disagree

5/27/2010 4:13:06 PM

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"Reasonable distance to see a car? Sure. Does the average motorist have any fucking idea what a car traveling 120mph looks like and how fast it's going to reach you? Obviously not."

I've been agreeing with you up until this point... but if someone sees the blue flashing lights coming at them, they shouldn't be turning out in front of it at all, regardless of how fast they think the police car is moving.

5/27/2010 4:13:26 PM

the math has been spelled out and you are wrong, there is a turn just 1000 ft away

the car was likely not visible when she made the turn

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:14 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 4:13:38 PM

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"^^People in the MLB can. It's not a matter of you having poor depth perception, it's a matter of you being a weakling who can't swing a bat fast enough"

Yes, those are people trained to hit things moving that fast. The same way a state trooper is trained to travel at that speed.

Just like the average person could not hit a fastball, the average motorist can't anticipate a car speeding ridiculously fast.

5/27/2010 4:13:42 PM

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"I've been agreeing with you up until this point... but if someone sees the blue flashing lights coming at them, they shouldn't be turning out in front of it at all, regardless of how fast they think the police car is moving."

Go outside and point out an object that's 900 feet away.

5/27/2010 4:14:22 PM

I always stop for cars that are like three football fields away from me.

5/27/2010 4:14:26 PM

^^^Then the distance between the woman looking and the car is 999 feet, still a reasonable distance

^^ Yes they can, you're a moron

^If they're three football fields away and coming at you really fast... then that would be a reasonable manuever

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:14:29 PM

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"since human judgment (and laws, for that matter) can be flawed, accidents happen...a woman who didn't look before turning and an officer that didn't check his speed like he should have are not the same thing as a guy who pulls out a gun and shoots someone in the face, even if the result is the the "

the price of the trust we put in police officers is more accountability and a higher bar

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]]

5/27/2010 4:15:37 PM

^

5/27/2010 4:16:28 PM

^,^^ agreed.

astral, don't injure yourself with all the hard thinking you're doing today!

i have to get back to studying. i'm actually right in the middle of torts so that is why this thread caught my attention.

but here i go. breach of duty. i'll let you know if this situation comes up in any of my hypos and what the answer is

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 4:16:35 PM

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"It's not a matter of you having poor depth perception, it's a matter of you being a weakling who can't swing a bat fast enough"

what the hell are you talking about?

5/27/2010 4:16:35 PM

Yeah Astralengine is really making an ass of himself today.

5/27/2010 4:17:19 PM

He wasn't on his way to dunkin fuckin doughnuts, he was chasing a speeder, what reasonable cop expects traffic to jump out in front of him?

I'm talking about hitting fastballs in the MLB, obviously.

You guys thinking the cop deserves punishment are the assholes, and I dislike cops as much as the next guy

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:18 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:17:22 PM

girl I will breach your doodie

5/27/2010 4:17:32 PM

he's never played a sport before, you don't need any skills to sit behind a monitor and drink mt dew

5/27/2010 4:17:36 PM

^^^A smart and cautious one who values human life over a fucking speeding ticket?

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:18 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:17:49 PM

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"He wasn't on his way to dunkin fuckin doughnuts, he was chasing a speeder, what reasonable cop expects traffic to jump out in front of him?"

uh, serious?

i would hope every cop expects it to happen

5/27/2010 4:18:27 PM

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"You guys thinking the cop deserves punishment are the assholes, and I dislike cops as much as the next guy"

HE FUCKING KILLED A WOMAN AND HER 11 YEAR OLD KID DUE TO HIS ACTIONS.

5/27/2010 4:18:57 PM

the cop was all like "shit, its May the 20th? damn i don't have my speeding ticket quota for the month yet"

ib an LEO tells me they dont actually have quotas...which is technically true since they're not called quotas, even though thats what they are

5/27/2010 4:18:59 PM

I have played sports, and the reason you can't hit 100 mph balls is because you're not fast enough, a strength problem... not sure that that matters though


And again, the guy didn't know he was going to kill someone on the way to catch the speeder

5/27/2010 4:19:11 PM

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"what reasonable cop expects traffic to jump out in front of him?"

are you fucking kidding me?

5/27/2010 4:19:33 PM

if i start my swing before the pitcher starts his windup and i don't make contact, its because i can't swing the bat fast enough, and has nothing to do with hand-eye coordination

gtfo with that shit

5/27/2010 4:20:14 PM

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" I have played sports, and the reason you can't hit 100 mph balls is because you're not fast enough, a strength problem... not sure that that matters though"

StarCraft and WoW are not sports

5/27/2010 4:20:32 PM

They have lights and sirens and we're supposed to get out of the fuckin way.

I'm not saying they drive with reckless abandon, sure they're cautious, but they can only do so much

LOL ^^ I don't play either of those


TREETWISTA: hand eye coordination problem as well, sure.. Not depth perception, point me

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:20:37 PM

when Mark Reynolds hits 30 homers a season, its because he is strong

when he strikes out 200 times in the exact same season, its because he is not strong enough

5/27/2010 4:21:22 PM

suuure, take another sip of mountain dew fattie

5/27/2010 4:21:30 PM

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"You guys thinking the cop deserves punishment are the assholes, and I dislike cops as much as the next guy "

i think at the least he should get paid leave while they re-evaluate their policies.

in my own PERSONAL opinion i think differently. but since we've thrown out the word "reasonable" like 217 times, i think paid (and even unpaid) leave while they figure shit out is pretty damn reasonable. considering 2 people did die because of a speeding ticket. laws are flawed, remember (your broskie quag pointed that one out)? this one probably deserves some attention in light of this accident. which could have easily been prevented if the cop had been going slower.

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 4:21:42 PM

HE DID NOT USE HIS SIREN

5/27/2010 4:21:45 PM

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"Go outside and point out an object that's 900 feet away."

You said yourself that it's a reasonable distance to see a car. If you see oncoming blue lights, even if they look far away, waiting for them to pass before turning into the intersection is a good idea. Probably not legally required(it might actually be legally required, but I don't care enough to look it up), but still a good idea.

Look, I still think the officer was at fault here for going 120 without a siren... or going 120 at all just to catch an 80mph speeder, for that matter.

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 4:21:53 PM

I didn't say he did, I said cops have them.

Chill the fuck out

5/27/2010 4:22:17 PM

i hope you die

soon

5/27/2010 4:22:35 PM

hmm, this pitcher has a 95 mph fastball and a 75mph breaking ball...and they have the exact same windup motion, and look exactly the same coming out of his hands...but one gets to me faster

well i gotta hit the gym and pump some iron if i want to be able to differentiate between the two

fuck i'm TOO STRONG to hit this knuckleball because its only 59 mph!

5/27/2010 4:22:53 PM

I can promise it won't be from pulling out in front of a cop

^^Now you're talking about depth perception, but I bet you can notice the difference without going to the gym.

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM. Reason : ]

TreeTwista: You're not very good at this

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 4:22:57 PM