Not really. The oil required to produce the other substances like plastics isn't that huge, and measures can be taken to reduce your impact (such as using reusable food containers).

It's not that hard to live a sustainable existence.

6/4/2010 8:42:35 AM

(no one reads 49)


A map predicting just how far north and how into the Atlantic the oil spill could reach.



Also, poll skew:

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"Should BP face criminal charges over the oil spill?"

http://tiny.cc/sx25l (You best be votin' yes)

Quote :

"It's not that hard to live a sustainable existence."

True, even today.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM. Reason : ]

6/4/2010 8:45:48 AM

for page 3

6/4/2010 8:49:50 AM

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""Should BP face criminal charges over the oil spill?" http://tiny.cc/sx25l (You best be votin' yes)"

Unless it's proved that they meant to do this, it's not a criminal matter.

It's similar to engineering or construction. If a building falls down, it's a civil (not criminal) matter. It should remain so unless it was proved that someone acted with then intent to bring the structure down.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:05 AM. Reason : That's why engineers and contractors have insurance.]

6/4/2010 9:04:47 AM

Quote :

"It's similar to engineering or construction. If a building falls down, it's a civil (not criminal) matter. It should remain so unless it was proved that someone acted with then intent to bring the structure down. "

You are 100% dead wrong. If I design a bridge and it subsequently collapses killing 100 people; I can be found negligent and be criminally liable. Does not happen often but it can.

Quote :

"The Missouri Board of Architects, Professional Engineers, and Land Surveyors convicted the engineers employed by Jack D. Gillum and Associates who had signed off on the final drawings of gross negligence, misconduct, and unprofessional conduct in the practice of engineering; they all lost their engineering licenses in the states of Missouri and Texas and their membership to ASCE.[9] While Jack D. Gillum and Associates itself was cleared of criminal negligence, it was stripped of its license to be an engineering firm.[10] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse

6/4/2010 9:08:12 AM

^^
You are 100% dead wrong.

6/4/2010 9:09:22 AM

yeh, the only way they're criminally liable is due to malicious acts or gross negligence.

6/4/2010 9:09:36 AM

poor animals

6/4/2010 9:11:08 AM

according to the report of the guy that survived (i watched that 60 minutes segment) it was brought to the attention of the BP rep on the rig that there were chunks of plastic coming up with the oil

they were aware of the fact that the seal was breaking apart, and they kept going forward.

(sorry for a screw up on terminology - but it could be asserted that they knew that there were problems, and the continued going forward)

6/4/2010 9:12:31 AM

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"What do yall think is the best way to stop the leak? I hope BP goes bankrupt over this."

BP was making over $4 Billion a quarter in 2009. They've spent about a billion so far in this spill, and they just got a bill for like #360 million to build some barrier Islands.

If they go bankrupt, the spill is gonna have to get much much worse.

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"i keep seeing that it's the worst oil spill in US history ... but really has there been one worse anywhere else in the world? i dont remember hearing about an oil spill that kept going and going with an open faucet"

There was a well in the Gulf of Mexico (down in the southernest part) back in 1979 that blew and leaked oil for ten months. Ixotl 1 or something.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM. Reason : oil spill]

6/4/2010 9:13:29 AM

I can honestly say, with calm and rational objectivity, that BP should be put out of business, and its executives jailed for life.
Argue if you want -- but this is what should happen, and nothing less.

If Tony Hayward was crossing the street, not only would I not brake, I would run him down, get out of the car, beat him until he was dead, rip out his heart, and burn off his face.
Again, this is calm and rational objectivity. You don't want to see me mad.

6/4/2010 9:14:58 AM

OH NOES

SCARY GUY WHEN HE'S MAD!!1!

6/4/2010 9:15:37 AM

Quote :

"Not really. The oil required to produce the other substances like plastics isn't that huge, and measures can be taken to reduce your impact (such as using reusable food containers). It's not that hard to live a sustainable existence. "

you have no idea what you are talking about, its tree huggers like you that have caused this accident to become a disaster. this deepwater horizon well was orginally (10 or so years ago) was planned to be drilled in the swamps and marshes of louisianna. when the tree huggers got wind of it, they wanted it far offshore because it might mess things up in the fucking swamp.

well you got exactly what you wanted, a well miles offshore in 5,028 feet of water.

if this accident would had happened in the fucking swamp, where the experts wanted it, it would had been shut down within hours of the accident, spilling a few hundreds gallons of oil, not millions of barrels of oil.

the only reason this leak wasnt stopped in a few hours, is because the tree huggers wanted it in 5,000 feet of water...

6/4/2010 9:16:21 AM

^
troll alert!

6/4/2010 9:17:20 AM

And your anger towards the failure of the U.S. government to swiftly act and to push BP harder and faster is where?

Yes, BP is to blame and should pay every penny for cleanup. And if they were negligent in their duties, then they should be held liable. But just as with any major disaster, the government is supposed to play a large role in rectifying the problem and preventing further damage. Thus far, the government hasn't done a thing. If you're going to rant about this issue, at least rant fairly, and treat all involved parties as they should be treated.

6/4/2010 9:18:37 AM

Quote :

"If Tony Hayward was crossing the street, not only would I not brake, I would run him down, get out of the car, beat him until he was dead, rip out his heart, and burn off his face. Again, this is calm and rational objectivity. You don't want to see me mad."

Terrible human being alert!

Quote :

"Yes, BP is to blame and should pay every penny for cleanup. And if they were negligent in their duties, then they should be held liable. But just as with any major disaster, the government is supposed to play a large role in rectifying the problem and preventing further damage. Thus far, the government hasn't done a thing. If you're going to rant about this issue, at least rant fairly, and treat all involved parties as they should be treated."

They're running the Katrina clean-up playbook!

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM. Reason : -]

6/4/2010 9:20:03 AM

itt reusable food containers are the magic solution that is totally achievable and not a nutmeg-overdose-induced psychotic break

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM. Reason : snorlax]

6/4/2010 9:20:28 AM

^^
Hey, that's not "me", it's just what I got when I "crunched the numbers".
Calm and rational objectivity.

6/4/2010 9:21:56 AM

Quote :

"you have no idea what you are talking about, its tree huggers like you that have caused this accident to become a disaster. this deepwater horizon well was orginally (10 or so years ago) was planned to be drilled in the swamps and marshes of louisianna. when the tree huggers got wind of it, they wanted it far offshore because it might mess things up in the fucking swamp. well you got exactly what you wanted, a well miles offshore in 5,028 feet of water. if this accident would had happened in the fucking swamp, where the experts wanted it, it would had been shut down within hours of the accident, spilling a few hundreds gallons of oil, not millions of barrels of oil. the only reason this leak wasnt stopped in a few hours, is because the tree huggers wanted it in 5,000 feet of water... "

haha, so instead of drilling away from the marshlands we're trying to protect, we should just drill IN them? great idea.

how about drill in neither location?

6/4/2010 9:24:01 AM

At some point, the American People (self included) are going to have to take a hard look inward, and face the fact that this is our fault.

As in, all of us. You can't have an absurdly high standard of living, rape the world of all its resources, and never see a consequence.

6/4/2010 9:24:38 AM

Certainly it isn't one person's fault.....obviously. That Tony Haywood guy....I don't know what to think. He's retarded filthy rich, but his life is so fucked right now.

But what I'm surprised at is how unregulated it all is. I wonder how many things go on that regulations just gloss over? Things that should be regulated, but aren't very well, and have a huge risk of not going right:

-Semi-trucks going 80 mph on the highway? Huge risk...
-19 year olds being able to vote
-Crack heads and alcoholics breeding
-Conditions to raise children
-The squeaky bushings on my front end...

all of these things must be regulated.

6/4/2010 9:25:54 AM

^^our? how about the world's fault? every nation is using oil based products, each nation is striving to provide higher standards of living... which means more oil. Sure the U.S. is the largest player in this market, but the rest of the world isn't living oil-free. In fact, if you want to use U.S. crude production in part of your claim of blaming only americans, what about the fact the the U.S. exports much of it's oil? What about those people? How is it not their fault?

6/4/2010 9:29:21 AM

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"haha, so instead of drilling away from the marshlands we're trying to protect, we should just drill IN them? great idea. "

you have obviously never been on or around a drilling rig... they dont mess up the location like they did before, and just about all of the sites when they are finished are returned to a state better than they were before. this leak, had it been onshore, would had been contained by the outer dyke, and the destruction would had been limited to a 5 square acre area, not thousands of miles of beaches and millions of animals.

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"how about drill in neither location? "

that really isnt an option at this time...

6/4/2010 9:30:32 AM

^^That's like the huge obese fat guy on the island saying, "Well it's everyone's fault!" when the food supplies suddenly go missing, and everyone else has malnutrition and he has saltine crumbs on his shirt.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:30 AM. Reason : ]

6/4/2010 9:30:52 AM

Can people please stop crying about the potential of a hurricane coming through and making things "worse" There are potential benefits and disadvantages to a hurricane coming through the oil polluted areas. Effectively its a wash. Below is part of a document released by the National Hurricane Center addressing such concerns:

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"What will happen to a hurricane that runs through this oil slick? • Most hurricanes span an enormous area of the ocean (200-300 miles) — far wider than the current size of the spill. • If the slick remains small in comparison to a typical hurricane’s general environment and size, the anticipated impact on the hurricane would be minimal. • The oil is not expected to appreciably affect either the intensity or the track of a fully developed tropical storm or hurricane. • The oil slick would have little effect on the storm surge or near-shore wave heights. What will the hurricane do to the oil slick in the Gulf? • The high winds and seas will mix and “weather” the oil which can help accelerate the biodegradation process. • The high winds may distribute oil over a wider area, but it is difficult to model exactly where the oil may be transported. • Movement of oil would depend greatly on the track of the hurricane. • Storms’ surges may carry oil into the coastline and inland as far as the surge reaches. Debris resulting from the hurricane may be contaminated by oil from the Deepwater Horizon incident, but also from other oil releases that may occur during the storm. • A hurricane’s winds rotate counter-clockwise. Thus, in VERY GENERAL TERMS: ¦A hurricane passing to the west of the oil slick could drive oil to the coast. ¦A hurricane passing to the east of the slick could drive the oil away from the coast. ¦However, the details of the evolution of the storm, the track, the wind speed, the size, the forward motion and the intensity are all unknowns at this point and may alter this general statement."

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/30/what-happens-if-a-hurricane-hits-the-gulf-oil-slick/

Look people, accidents happen and if BP was negligent and ignored rules and regulations then they will be held responsible for it. Hopefully in the future some laws will be changed so these companies can be held liable for a LOT more money (billions instead of millions) to account for damage, both environmentally and economically. I fill up my cars gas tanks 2-3 times a week on average over the summer and I will be actively boycotting BP fuel for a while. But enough with these stupid knee jerk reactions. Oil's not going anywhere anytime soon. If you feel really strongly about the oil industry then put your money where your mouth is and use public transportation and your bicycle as much has possible; perhaps buy the new Nissan Leaf. Otherwise, give it a rest b/c nobody's preventing you from voluntarily lowering your own standard of living. In the meantime I'd prefer if you didn't force a lower one on me.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM. Reason : k]

6/4/2010 9:31:17 AM

Quote :

"they dont mess up the location like they did before"

Quote :

"that really isnt an option at this time..."

yes, it is.

6/4/2010 9:31:53 AM

^^Wrong.

Please read:


[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM. Reason : -]

6/4/2010 9:32:29 AM

Quote :

"you have no idea what you are talking about, its tree huggers like you that have caused this accident to become a disaster. this deepwater horizon well was orginally (10 or so years ago) was planned to be drilled in the swamps and marshes of louisianna. when the tree huggers got wind of it, they wanted it far offshore because it might mess things up in the fucking swamp. well you got exactly what you wanted, a well miles offshore in 5,028 feet of water. if this accident would had happened in the fucking swamp, where the experts wanted it, it would had been shut down within hours of the accident, spilling a few hundreds gallons of oil, not millions of barrels of oil. the only reason this leak wasnt stopped in a few hours, is because the tree huggers wanted it in 5,000 feet of water..."

20/20 hindsight is an amazing thing, huh?

6/4/2010 9:32:55 AM

weep not for the pelicans

6/4/2010 9:34:04 AM

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"^^That's like the huge obese fat guy on the island saying, "Well it's everyone's fault!" when the food supplies suddenly go missing, and everyone else has malnutrition and he has saltine crumbs on his shirt."

fail

6/4/2010 9:34:07 AM

Quote :

"That's like the huge obese fat guy on the island saying, "Well it's everyone's fault!" when the food supplies suddenly go missing, and everyone else has malnutrition and he has saltine crumbs on his shirt."

Bad analogy is bad.

6/4/2010 9:34:20 AM

Quote :

"That's like the huge obese fat guy on the island saying, "Well it's everyone's fault!" when the food supplies suddenly go missing, and everyone else has malnutrition and he has saltine crumbs on his shirt."

6/4/2010 9:35:50 AM

^^, ^^^




[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM. Reason : Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption]

6/4/2010 9:37:20 AM

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM. Reason : k]

6/4/2010 9:37:27 AM

Quote :

"our? how about the world's fault? every nation is using oil based products, each nation is striving to provide higher standards of living... which means more oil. Sure the U.S. is the largest player in this market, but the rest of the world isn't living oil-free. In fact, if you want to use U.S. crude production in part of your claim of blaming only americans, what about the fact the the U.S. exports much of it's oil? What about those people? How is it not their fault?"

You called it. Because we're the largest player. If the rest of the world lived at our standard of living, it'd take five planets worth of natural resources and space. We're not talking about some nebulous 'well, the oil that was being drilled here would have gone to these people so it must be their fault bullshit.

We're talking about a systematic, multiple decade long pattern of using more and more of limited resources, consequences be damned. Accidents happen, for sure. And statistically, it was probably only a matter of time until something like this happened somewhere on the planet, but if you want want to avert your eyes and pretend that fifty-plus years of the most ecologically destructive and wasteful generation in the history of man's absurdly high usage of oil has no connection to this man-made disaster, then go for it.

Sooner or later, we'll pay for it. And I'm not talking about just at the pump, I mean in a cosmic, karmic sense.

6/4/2010 9:37:36 AM

who's stopping you from doing your own thing and living an oil free life?

6/4/2010 9:38:54 AM

Quote :

"20/20 hindsight is an amazing thing, huh?"

yea it is, there are many things that failed here not just BP. the BOP was supposed to close, it didnt, the fire crews wernt supposed to put water on the fire, they did, the rig wasnt supposed to sink, it did.

until there can be an investigation, no one will know who is responsible, or what caused the leak.



drilling rigs now days are very clean compaired to just 10 years ago, and extremely enviromentally friendly.

6/4/2010 9:41:33 AM

You know what's even more "extremely enviromentally friendly" than today's drilling rigs?
Not having any drilling rigs.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ]

6/4/2010 9:44:20 AM

Quote :

"extremely enviromentally friendly"

only comparatively

6/4/2010 9:45:35 AM

Quote :

"You know what's even more "extremely enviromentally friendly" than today's drilling rigs? Not having any drilling rigs. "

then stop being dependant on oil...

if you use it, we are going to drill for it.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:52 AM. Reason : 1]

6/4/2010 9:52:09 AM

Quote :

"if you use revolt over high prices for it, we are going to drill for it."

I'd gladly pay $10 a gallon if this kind of pollution would never happen.


[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM. Reason : ]

6/4/2010 9:55:35 AM

^you were gladly paying $3/gallon for this to never happen

oh well, it happened anyways. profits from $10/gallon won't change a thing. see where it was previously stated about BP raking in $4billion/quarter last year.

6/4/2010 10:08:39 AM

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"you were gladly paying $3/gallon for this to never happen"

Uh, apparently not.

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"profits from $10/gallon won't change a thing"

Who said anything about profits?

6/4/2010 10:11:10 AM

if you pay $10 per galon for gas, they will just drill more.

we know of pockets of oil that we can get to, but at $70 or $90 a bbl, it just isnt cost effective to go get it. deepwater horizon was one such well, it was started when oil was at $140 a bbl and it was worth going to get. now at $80/bbl it isnt, thats why they was in the process of capping the well and cementing it in when the explosion happened. they were gonna come back to it when the price of oil went back up...

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM. Reason : 1]

6/4/2010 10:14:56 AM

^
Uh, "Who said anything about profits?"

6/4/2010 10:16:18 AM

Boycott BP?

Has it been done before?

6/4/2010 10:18:28 AM

why just BP?

they were using a National Oilwell - Varco BOP
they had a Transoceanic platform
they were using Haliburton packers
they were using Baker Hughes Drill bits
i dont know who the mud motors belonged to
they probably had a 2H Offshore riser,


Who do you boycott?

6/4/2010 10:25:39 AM

Well it's a good thing I don't use any of those anyway...

6/4/2010 10:27:00 AM

Quote :

"they were using a National Oilwell - Varco BOP they had a Transoceanic platform they were using Haliburton packers they were using Baker Hughes Drill bits i dont know who the mud motors belonged to they probably had a 2H Offshore riser, Who do you boycott?"

Uh, people buy gasoline, not oilwells, transoceanic platforms, offshore risers, etc.
Did you think you were making a point? (try again)






\/ Well, yeah. Of course, those other guys would still get hit if BP suffered from a serious boycott...

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 10:41 AM. Reason : ]

6/4/2010 10:29:40 AM

you have a point...

i guess my point i was trying to make was BP isnt the only one responisible for this...

but i failed.

6/4/2010 10:35:29 AM