Lulz

1/7/2012 1:13:21 PM

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"Happy birthday mom! I hope you like rapes!"

haha she had read the books and is the one who wanted to go see it... i was the one who was shocked.

1/7/2012 2:24:21 PM

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"I saw the original. Should I skip this one, since I already know what's going to happen? Nevermind, I think I answered my own question."

You might as well skip it

unless you just want to see a slightly slicker Hollywood version

I actually saw this new one before watching the older one, they're very very similar

though Daniel Craig is easier to look at

[Edited on January 7, 2012 at 2:54 PM. Reason : .]

1/7/2012 2:52:54 PM

swoon

1/7/2012 3:21:13 PM

I thought this was an interesting take on the rape scene:

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"I'm not a big fan of Stieg Larsson's "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo," and one of the things that has bothered me about it since I read the first book is the rape of Lisbeth Salander, as well as her eventual revenge of the guy who did it. There is certainly an element of wish fulfillment to what she does to the guy, and in every version of the story, whether it's the book or the Swedish film or Fincher's version, it's played as a "You go, girl!" moment when she turns the tables. Larsson's original title for his book was, famously, "Men Who Hate Women," and that certainly puts a blunt thematic point on what Larsson intended to say with his story. The problem I have is that Lisbeth is portrayed as fairly close to superheroic in the rest of the trilogy, but in that one moment, she's overpowered and humiliated merely so we get that "You go, girl!" moment later. There's no larger statement the sequence makes. There's no throughline in the rest of the series about Lisbeth and her sexual history. There's nothing that connects those two scenes, the set-up and pay-off, to anything else in the story. They are there so that (A) we see Lisbeth humiliated and (B) we see her pay the guy back. And it feels to me like one of the cheapest, most transparent bit of plot mechanics, and if Larsson had really pushed himself, I have no doubt he could have accomplished the same goals without including a rape."

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/the-bigger-picture-what-happens-when-we-find-the-line-as-viewers

1/20/2012 1:33:43 PM

so he wants to know why bad things sometimes happen to good people and why karma sometimes provides payback? i'm not sure what the point of his criticism is...that rape should only be used in storytelling if it is used proportionally to the rest of the major plotlines?

1/20/2012 1:38:08 PM

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"i'm not sure what the point of his criticism is...that rape should only be used in storytelling if it is used proportionally to the rest of the major plotlines?"

You could bother to actually read the whole article if you wanted to find out. But since you didn't I'll do it for you:

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"I think it is absolutely the responsibility of an artist to look into darkness without blinking. I think it is important that we talk about morality and character and the way we dehumanize one another. But I also think the point has been more than made on film that rape is a terrible thing, and at this point, if you're not contributing some new idea to the conversation, then you are literally just using it as a button, something you push to get a response, and that unnerves me."

1/20/2012 1:51:21 PM

doesn't change my response, it's his opinion based on how he felt viewing the scene, not a criticism of any facts other than "it wasn't used further and i wanted to see more"

1/20/2012 2:00:02 PM

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"it's his opinion based on how he felt viewing the scene, not a criticism of any facts other than "it wasn't used further and i wanted to see more""

What facts were you expecting? He's a film critic not a scientist. I think you missed the point entirely if your take on it was "he wanted to see more". The whole point of the article is that he wants to see LESS rape scenes in films unless they are totally germane to the story that's being told. And "bad things happen to good people, and karma sometimes provides payback" is some middle school level storytelling that in no way requires a rape scene to get it's point across.

1/20/2012 2:07:11 PM

i thought things like that and the computer mugging/breaking and the like were there to establish her as having a fucked up and unfortunate life that she perservered through and established her as mentally strong.

what difference does it make what it was. sure it is a button pusher, but abuse/rape/etc can establish other things like promiscuity or the like.

1/20/2012 5:47:14 PM

I thought that the rape scene was unnecessary...until I saw the whole trilogy.

When the story comes full circle in the third movie, that rape scene is fucking crucial. just trust me on that one. I mean, I had to look away in the theater.

[Edited on January 23, 2012 at 8:41 PM. Reason : sd]

1/23/2012 8:41:24 PM

bttt. I just finished watching the extended cut of the Swedish version and really enjoyed it. Not even sure if i'll watch Fincher's remake. Looking forward to sitting down with Fire and Hornets nest this weekend.

4/25/2013 8:11:18 AM

I watched the Swedish one first. Good. Fincher's is better.

4/25/2013 8:30:17 AM

^^^ I thought the rape scene was utterly tasteless (the whole lawyer-thing of taking advantage of the girl), even if there is some 'full circle' that would make it make sense. I would like to see the other films to see exactly what you are talking about thought, as you have piqued my interest however.

[Edited on April 25, 2013 at 12:09 PM. Reason : /]

4/25/2013 12:08:24 PM

so are they going to make the second and third books into sequals to the remake?

4/25/2013 12:14:20 PM

^^^they're both good, but very different IMO

4/25/2013 12:23:33 PM

I liked the swedish version better. I think it could be because I thought Noomi Rapace did a better job with Lisbeth

4/25/2013 12:29:56 PM

very true in that regard

4/25/2013 1:47:00 PM

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"I thought the rape scene was utterly tasteless (the whole lawyer-thing of taking advantage of the girl), even if there is some 'full circle' that would make it make sense. I would like to see the other films to see exactly what you are talking about thought, as you have piqued my interest however."

It's a very big/important part of the the rest of the story. I agree that out of full context it seems unnecessary. And honestly, it could have certainly been done without being quite as graphic. But at the same time... she wasn't really raped. The actress agreed to the scene obviously. Had the chance to read the script, see the Swedish version (which included the rape scene). While it was tough to watch, it's tough for me to get really upset about something like that when it's not real. This isn't like CNN showed some footage of an actual rape on tv. That would be tasteless. This is a movie... it's not real. It's intended to be harsh to help you connect to the character. If you were disgusted by it, then achieved it's goal.

The entire Swedish trilogy is on Netflix. They're very well made. Not quite as stylish as Fincher's version, but that is something he's sort of known for anyhow.

4/25/2013 6:53:12 PM

the first Swedish movie was better. Thought it was really good. But I didn't like some the changes they made in the next 2 movies. I know why. Time. But nothing really holds up to the books.

I read the first and second but and did a audiobook for the third. And I enjoyed the audio book cause my mind could not pronounce any of those Swedish names, street names, cities, companies. Haha.

It will be interesting to see how the next American movies develop.

4/25/2013 9:10:17 PM

I've seen all three of the Swedish movies and I thought I would disappointed with the American versions, but I wasn't.

Thought the Fincher one was well done. They were obviously some difference, but I think it did the book (and Swedish film) justice. No complaints here. Looking forward to the final two movies.

4/26/2013 8:38:11 AM