Iraq War 3

Coming soon to a theater near you!

6/13/2014 7:01:58 PM

lets see obama handle this gracefully-

lets see his supporters somehow make whatever he does seem like magic-

6/13/2014 7:04:58 PM

I think Iraq War 3 needs Bush the 3rd

Too bad he only has daughters

6/13/2014 8:07:58 PM

You speak to soon. His brother is Bush III

6/13/2014 9:01:57 PM

^^^and let's continue to see the haters (and that's a pretty accurate term) try to spin blame on him for any and every bad thing that happens and make whatever he does seem like the worst thing ever... same as it ever was.

[Edited on June 13, 2014 at 10:02 PM. Reason : ]

6/13/2014 10:01:56 PM

I'm not pinning this on Obama. It sucks that he has to fix it. I hope he is able to do something.

6/14/2014 8:30:23 AM

^^ you mean like in the same way he's consistently spun blame onto his predecessor since being elected six years ago? lemme guess, that's different, cause it actually was Dubya's fault, right? (and let's not quibble, Iraq today is Dubya's fault)

6/14/2014 8:52:26 AM

wasnt obama already supposed to have fixed this

i mean he said he was

6/14/2014 4:20:57 PM

fix what, what would Obama fix? Bush already accomplished this mission, Iraq is saved.

6/14/2014 4:22:00 PM

its especially saved now

isis accomplished what "al-kay-duh" could not

they have an acceptable villain name

/win

6/14/2014 4:24:15 PM

From the article linked below:

As you watch the debate on this issue, you should remind yourself that the most prominent voices being heard are the very ones who brought us the Iraq War in the first place, who promised that everything was simple and the only question was whether we’d be “strong” and “decisive” enough — the same thing they’re saying today. They’re the ones who swore that Saddam was in cahoots with Al Qaeda, that he had a terrifying arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, that the war would be quick, easy and cheap, that since Iraq was a largely secular country we wouldn’t have to worry about sectarian conflict, and that democracy would spread throughout the region in short order, bringing peace and prosperity along with it.

On Iraq, let’s ignore those who got it all wrong:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/06/13/on-iraq-lets-ignore-those-who-got-it-all-wrong/

[Edited on June 15, 2014 at 9:32 AM. Reason : .]

6/15/2014 9:31:45 AM

^yep, here comes the parade of conservative pundits on Sunday shows trying to position us in what could possibly devolve into a "religious" war. No, thanks.

6/15/2014 9:36:31 AM

Obama has always been About pulling out. It's tragic but I Don't see many people arguing that We should be the glue holding Iraq together.

Unfortunately, along with The Pakistan drone program, we now have Another decade of extremists who Want to Kill us.

6/15/2014 6:45:21 PM

Funny comment from reddit:

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"So the Syrian government (which the US is working to overthrow) is now cooperating with the Iraqi government (which the US installed) to fight the Jihadist terrorists/"rebels" (which the US opposes in Iraq but supports in Syria)??? Meanwhile, Iran (which the US opposes) has offered to help Iraq (its former arch-enemy) AND the US (its current enemy) and Syria (its ally) in suppressing the the Jihadists (which the US opposes in Iraq but supports in Syria)??? And where does Israel, (who hates Iran, hates Syria, hates Iraq and hates Jihadists) stand in all of this???"

6/15/2014 8:08:34 PM

It's like Game of Thrones but real life. But the US does oppose ISIS in Syria, but i guess by defacto supporting the OTHEr rebels against the Syrian gov., they do end up helping ISIS.

[Edited on June 15, 2014 at 8:23 PM. Reason : ]

6/15/2014 8:22:21 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10899901/Iraq-crisis-the-bare-faced-ISIS-executioner-who-spreads-terror-with-his-open-killing.html

6/16/2014 11:24:12 AM

Sounds like bad business.

He looks rather comical though - almost like something you would see in a spoof like Hot Shots!

6/16/2014 8:52:27 PM

m16 the new face of terror

6/16/2014 9:17:38 PM

6/16/2014 10:34:35 PM

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"Obama has always been About pulling out. It's tragic but I Don't see many people arguing that We should be the glue holding Iraq together. Unfortunately, along with The Pakistan drone program, we now have Another decade of extremists who Want to Kill us."

what's up with the random capitalizations?

6/17/2014 12:12:35 AM

Good article about what's going down with ISIL:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-syria-iraq-alqaeda-insight-idUSKBN0ES1KN20140617

6/17/2014 11:25:14 AM

http://pando.com/2014/06/16/the-war-nerd-heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-too-extreme-for-al-qaeda-i-s-i-s/

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"As the Scriptures remind us, “Do not believe the hype.” The hype of the moment is ISIS, the Sunni militia that just drove the so-called Iraqi Army out of Mosul, Tikrit, and other Iraqi cities. This is one of those dramatic military reverses that mean a lot less than meets the eye. The “Iraqi Army” routed by ISIS wasn’t really a national army, and ISIS isn’t really a dominant military force. It was able to occupy those cities because they were vacuums, abandoned by a weak, sectarian force. Moving into vacuums like this is what ISIS is good at. And that’s the only thing ISIS is good at. ISIS is a sectarian Sunni militia—that’s all. A big one, as militias go, with something like 10,000 fighters. Most of them are Iraqi, a few are Syrian, and a few hundred are those famous “European jihadis” who draw press attention out of all relation to their negligible combat value. The real strength of ISIS comes from its Chechen fighters, up to a thousand of them. A thousand Chechens is a serious force, and a terrifying one if they’re bearing down on your neighborhood. Chechens are the scariest fighters, pound-for-pound, in the world."

6/17/2014 12:38:03 PM

^interesting info.

6/17/2014 1:15:18 PM

Yeah, I only got about half through but found it very informative. I'm going to go back to it later.

6/17/2014 1:42:14 PM

The Case for Doing Nothing in Iraq
The same people who got us into this mess want America to “do something.” Ignore them.
By BARRY R. POSEN
June 16, 2014


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-case-for-doing-nothing-in-iraq-107913.html#ixzz34v6OqxCp

6/17/2014 1:51:55 PM

chechens are real funny until they prod russia

6/17/2014 11:33:16 PM

Cheney is still beating the war drum

http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522

I get part of what he is saying, but I really don't think Americans as a whole want to see us in Iraq and Afghanistan any longer. I don't really know how I feel about it. I know if we pull out completely, we'll eventually lose any gains. But at some point we have to let these countries defend themselves. Then again, if the Taliban comes back into Afghanistan, and al Qaeda (or worse) takes over Iraq, I see how that can potentially pose a security threat to the west.

6/18/2014 3:16:28 PM

lose any gains? what gains? gains from what? there are no gains, destabilizing that country was a loss from the beginning.

6/18/2014 3:18:17 PM

We need Thoros of Myr to come in and bring Saddam back.

6/18/2014 3:25:08 PM

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"Then again, if the Taliban comes back into Afghanistan, and al Qaeda (or worse) takes over Iraq, I see how that can potentially pose a security threat to the west."

And we'll deal with that threat when it arises. Security is something we've been very good at since well before Obama. Our intelligence services, our special forces, and of course drones have proven to be very effective at combating foreign terrorists. 9/11 wasn't some especially brilliant plan that circumvented our security apparatus in a novel way, basically we fucked up. The CIA and FBI had everything they needed to stop the attack 2 years before it happened, they just fucked up. Since The Patriot Act basically eliminated the problem of different agencies not sharing vital information, we've prevented any more major attacks while doing severe damage to Al-Qaeda's operational capability, outside the ME/Asia at least. Obviously these people already exist somewhere, who cares who's border we have to cross to get to them, it doesn't really matter.

On the flip side, intervening and attempting to once again draw borders and set up governments for people who could give a fuck about our idea of "freedom" is something we unequivocally suck at.

[Edited on June 18, 2014 at 4:31 PM. Reason : :]

6/18/2014 4:29:07 PM

LOL give me one good reason we should listen to a word Dick Cheney has to say.

6/18/2014 7:25:56 PM

because he is the former vp of the united states and has more experience in national politics than most people in office today.

6/18/2014 8:47:53 PM

Give me one good reason why we should listen to a community organizer far in over his head in just about every aspect of his presidency?

6/18/2014 8:58:43 PM

not sure if last 2 posts are serious or trolling

6/18/2014 9:05:55 PM

divide it up like germany and let the different sects have legit wars.

then you dont have to call them insurgents anymore.

i.e., we "win."

profit?

6/19/2014 8:44:54 AM

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"Give me one good reason why we should listen to a community organizer far in over his head in just about every aspect of his presidency? "

because he has a much better track record on national security and military matters than dick cheney

6/19/2014 8:52:56 AM

This forum is shambles.

6/19/2014 8:57:23 AM

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"divide it up"

i think this may be the most reasonable solution: sunni iraq, shia iraq and kurdish iraq. of course, that wouldn't be easy, at all.

6/19/2014 12:19:43 PM

Here are some other things Dick Cheney as said or written,

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"“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.” “We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s.” “[Hussein] also had an established relationship with al Qaeda, providing training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional bombs.” “There’s overwhelming evidence there was a connection between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government.” “My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. I think it will go relatively quickly, weeks rather than months.” “I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.”"

Even Fox News thinks he should keep his mouth shut,

http://www.businessinsider.com/megyn-kelly-dick-cheney-iraq-fox-news-2014-6

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"On her show, "The Kelly File," Kelly read that quote to Cheney and said, "But time and time again, history has proven that you got it wrong as well, sir.""

6/19/2014 1:02:23 PM

It's not an "even Fox news" issue, Fox News is following their orders from the GOP and challenging Cheney so that Cheney doesn't become a voice of the GOP. The GOP recognizes that Cheney needs to crawl back into his hole and die, and Fox news is their voice.

6/19/2014 1:11:52 PM

http://news.sky.com/story/1285129/british-isis-militants-will-target-uk

here you go

6/19/2014 11:31:13 PM

^^ I think that's likely approximately correct, although in general, I'm not sure to what extent FNC takes their orders from the GOP, and to what extent FNC actively and independently wags the dog.

6/20/2014 12:06:18 AM

Smath has got to be trolling with that shit.

6/20/2014 12:32:53 AM

Something else Cheney has said:

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"Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq. Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq. The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I#t=43

He knew all along that this was the likely result of an Iraq invasion.

6/20/2014 9:19:57 AM

That was a statement made in 1994, I wonder what changed after 1994 to change Cheney's mind about Iraq? Hmmm...

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"From 1995 until 2000, he served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton, a Fortune 500 company."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney

oh, that makes sense, he became the CEO of an organization that would go on to make about $40B from the war and personally earn him tens of millions of dollars even after he left the company

how the fuck can Smath74 and rjrumfel still defend this transparent piece of shit

6/20/2014 9:46:27 AM

It's just amazing how tone deaf some of these people are. Did they forget that one of the key distinctions between Obama and McCain in 2008 were their positions on Iraq. The voters sided with Obama's view of Iraq, overwhelmingly, and it was a huge part of the election results. Americans do not give a fuck what these people have to say on Iraq.

6/20/2014 2:36:31 PM

Quote me where I have defended Cheney. Look for one. Because I have not. But I'm also not going to sit here and defend Obama. They are both lying pieces of trash. The only difference is one of them we don't have to listen to anymore.

6/20/2014 3:38:48 PM

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"eyewall41 All American 1367 Posts user info edit post LOL give me one good reason we should listen to a word Dick Cheney has to say."

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"rjrumfel All American 15745 Posts user info edit post Give me one good reason why we should listen to a community organizer far in over his head in just about every aspect of his presidency?"

being a little defense of your boy Dick

6/20/2014 3:43:27 PM

Dick Cheney is more of an expert on america than any of you people could ever hope to be.

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"Cheney's political career began in 1969, as an intern for Congressman William A. Steiger during the Richard Nixon Administration. "

he began his political career when barack obama was 8 years old.

[Edited on June 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ]

6/20/2014 4:03:48 PM

American expert on America because he's old!

Stop trolling Smath.

6/20/2014 4:08:15 PM