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"When the couple asked if they would have been asked to leave if they were a man and a woman, the guard replied “no.”"

I wrote the property management as a consumer expressing my disappointment with the incident.

Here was their response:

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"Thank you for your email. Cameron Village is a family friendly shopping center that welcomes the entire community. We sincerely regret Wednesday's events and have arranged a meeting with Ms. Breedlove for tomorrow afternoon (Saturday). Cameron Village and York Properties have no tolerance for discrimination of any kind and believe that all people deserve the right to be treated fairly in their work, homes and daily lives. The officer involved was immediately suspended. The supervising officer and all security officers will receive additional sensitivity training. Cameron Village is committed to maintaining an open and welcoming environment for everyone. Lynne Worth York Properties, Inc."

So it sounds like they didn't intend to have double standards, and that it was the actions of a rogue mall cop.

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 10:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/15/2010 10:14:31 PM

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"must have been ugly lesbians."

I know at least Caitlin Breedlove is far from that; I'd try to find her girlfriend but I didn't find her full name yet.

10/15/2010 10:19:16 PM

Far from both ugly AND lesbian?

If so, let me get them digits.

10/15/2010 10:27:00 PM

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"wtf? people were right that they have fucking private property rights that allow them to determine who is allowed there? really? That's a horrible thing to say?"

you're pretty much a gigantic piece of shit you think you're being clever but ya aint

drool more. still a poor loser by your own standards? lol

10/15/2010 11:30:39 PM

no fuck the dykes for doing what they did. what would little kids say if they saw that. they dont learn faggotry in school

10/15/2010 11:42:04 PM

^^^I meant just "far from ugly"; it has been established earlier ITT that she is a lesbian, but feel free to leave creepy messages here: caitlin@southernersonnewground.org

^correct, they're born that way and any hint of variance from gender norms is often beaten out of them during childhood

10/15/2010 11:45:09 PM

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"you're pretty much a gigantic piece of shit you think you're being clever but ya aint"

and you're also a gigantic piece of shit if you think that I was saying that people were right to be racist bigots, too. Which is what that quote was in reference to. If you aint gonna read the whole thread or be intellectually honest, then shut the fuck up

10/15/2010 11:47:07 PM

So if an 8 year old sees dykes making out,he/she thinks its normal. Wrong

10/16/2010 9:39:17 AM

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"and you're also a gigantic piece of shit if you think that I was saying that people were right to be racist bigots, too. Which is what that quote was in reference to. If you aint gonna read the whole thread or be intellectually honest, then shut the fuck up"

lol aaronburro the magic honky: programmed to defend bigots and racists at all costs

you poor republicans are the biggest rubes on the fucking planet roflmao

10/16/2010 9:45:40 AM

^so all of us are the same.

10/16/2010 9:48:16 AM

they should legalize pot and gay marriage on the same day so they can get it out of the way and focus on more important matters

10/16/2010 9:56:29 AM

Think about the children!!!!

10/16/2010 10:33:34 AM

this story is gaining momentum...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/17/north.carolina.lesbian.couple/index.html?hpt=T2

10/17/2010 2:58:58 PM

i guess CNN changed the story because according to the waitress at Flying Biscuit this morning she said that CNN had that they kicked them out of the restaurant for the incident.

she offered up information about the CNN article before we got seated good.

10/17/2010 3:10:10 PM

huh??

10/17/2010 3:13:27 PM

If the security guard looses his job I heard that Iran is hiring.

10/17/2010 10:40:26 PM

HE BETTER KEEP THAT SHIT TIGHT YO

10/17/2010 10:42:12 PM

I scrolled through this thread looking for more pictures. I am dissapoint

10/17/2010 10:43:27 PM

Girlfriend said this was on WRAL tonight.

And WRAL reported that the issue was "part of Cameron Village's policy and that they finally decided to change it".

lolwut?

To me it sounds like bad journalism to me.

10/17/2010 10:44:34 PM

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Does anyone know what that is a tattoo of? I know someone with one just like it.

10/17/2010 10:44:59 PM

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"WRAL reported that the American Civil Liberties Union may take legal action over the episode"

10/17/2010 10:47:14 PM

phases of the moon i think

10/17/2010 11:16:37 PM

i'm meeting a friend for lunch @ flying biscuit in a few & i'm going to tongue kiss her in front of the entire restaurant!

10/19/2010 11:46:28 AM

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"[quote]"

Does anyone know what that is a tattoo of? I know someone with one just like it.[/quote]

dos equis

10/19/2010 11:49:51 AM

speaking of cameron village- anyone ever been to cameron bar and grill? we have a groupon for the place and are thinking of going there for dinner sometime this week

10/19/2010 11:50:39 AM

Yeah, the food there is good. A little overpriced though IMO

10/19/2010 12:00:21 PM

well we got a 25 dollar buck groupen for 10, so that should cover most of our stuff (probably end up throwing in another 15)

10/19/2010 12:04:50 PM

York Properties also issued a statement about the meeting.

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"We apologized that the women were offended, and we affirmed that Cameron Village and York Properties have no tolerance for discrimination of any kind and believe all people deserve the right to be treated fairly in their work, homes and daily lives."

they apologized that the women were offended? that's not an apology. "I'm sorry your feelings were hurt" is no concession.

and they said nothing about whether the guard's actions were wrong. declaring a "right to be treated fairly in their work, homes and daily lives" again says absolutely nothing about their own arbitrary behavior.

I hope the ACLU hammers them.

10/19/2010 12:10:18 PM

Burro was absolutely right on private property. If you own the property, you should be able to tell someone to get off for whatever reason you want. You also have to face the consequences when you lose business. A company that opens it's doors to all people will get more business than one that doesn't, all things equal.

None of that applies here, though. Discrimination is not the policy of the property owner. By lambasting a local shopping center without bothering to do your homework, you're doing more harm than good.

10/19/2010 12:13:56 PM

no, burro's not right about this. burro's a retard. and so are you, if you think that a shopping mall has the right to eject two women for expressing affection in a legitimate manner.

nothing short of firing the guard will be acceptable. this aggression will not stand, man.





[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 12:34 PM. Reason : ]

10/19/2010 12:30:28 PM

Looks like we know where the difference between us lies. I believe that individuals should determine how their property is used, so long as they don't cause harm to other individuals. I believe in having a free society where individuals are able to make bad decisions and bear the full responsibility for those decisions. Alternatively, you support a police state, where the government has the final say on how I use my property, where we simply outlaw bigotry. You may fancy yourself an, "enlightened liberal," but make no mistake, you're the very opposite of liberal. You are a statist, through and through. Undoubtedly, every tyrannical government in the history of man has had pawns, just like you, spreading misinformation.

I do happen to think that the guard should have been fired.

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM. Reason : ]

10/19/2010 12:52:48 PM

If it was Cameron Village policy to do this, then fuck Cameron Village. I'm not sure it was their policy, though.
If all they're gonna apologize is for offending the couple, and not for the actions of the guard, then fuck Cameron Village.

So even if Cameron Village isn't to blame for the incident itself, they're to blame for how they're handling it.

^^
^^^

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"If you own the property, you should be able to tell someone to get off for whatever reason you want."

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"...you think that a shopping mall has the right to eject two women for expressing affection in a legitimate manner."

Apples and oranges.
I know that some of the people defending business rights may simply be bigots hiding behind property rights, but that shouldn't negate the actual rights.

If you own a property, you should be able to tell someone to get off for whatever reason you want. That being said, such actions should not constitute a pattern of discrimination, because that creates an unreasonable restriction on individual liberty.

Say some guy has his shirt untucked, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks him to leave. Then, some old lady's diaper stinks, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks her to leave. Then, some kids come in beeping and texting, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks them to leave. Then a couple begins to kiss lightly, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks them to leave. This is all okay.

But, say some guy is black/gay/atheist, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks him to leave. Then, some old lady comes in who is black/gay/atheist, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks her to leave. Then, some black/gay/atheist kids come in, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks them to leave. Then a black/gay/atheist couple begins to kiss lightly, and the property owner doesn't like it, so he asks them to leave. This is not okay.

Do you understand the difference?

10/19/2010 12:55:07 PM

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"destroyer: I believe in having a free society where individuals are able to make bad decisions ... Alternatively, you support a police state, where the government has the final say on how I use my property"

tell me, how does it feel to be so smart?

10/19/2010 1:04:56 PM

calm down and take it to the soap box

10/19/2010 1:06:57 PM

Are we distinguishing between what is "right" or "okay" and what is legal? If you believe the purpose of government is to distribute morality, then there's no need to distinguish, but that's a dangerous path to go down.

10/19/2010 1:09:15 PM

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"calm down and take it to the soap box"

ha. yeah, right. the resident TDub douchebag lawyers have arrived. hold tight, we're bout to get schooled on "original intent"

10/19/2010 1:12:18 PM

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"If you believe the purpose of government is to distribute morality,"

No... I agree it's not that. A ban on bigotry, for instance, is wrong. Bigotry is thought... free speech.

I'm saying that a pattern of discrimination amounts to an unreasonable risk of "harm" to individual civil liberty. Just as crossing the double-yellow line doesn't actually harm anyone, it is still wrong (and illegal) because it amounts to an unreasonable risk of harm to individual persons and property.

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 1:43 PM. Reason : grammar]

10/19/2010 1:15:44 PM

oh yeaaaaah prepare to be schooled on the rules of the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/19/2010 1:23:41 PM

^^^LOL

Yeah, indy is here so everyone stand back....give the guy some air and let him work his magic

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 1:25 PM. Reason : d]

10/19/2010 1:24:26 PM

^
Shouldn't you be in the [drug] closet right now? too afraid to come out? lol

10/19/2010 1:28:38 PM

^^He's being more tame than usual it's kind of stumping me. Maybe it's because I actually agree with him this time and my brain is doing some hardcore selective filtering.

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 1:32 PM. Reason : f]

10/19/2010 1:32:20 PM

yeah, i havent read what he's got to say....i'm sure hes just getting over emotional like he usually does...must be hard being so emotional

10/19/2010 1:36:15 PM

Aw, rough... a cold shoulder from TheBullDoza

10/19/2010 1:38:29 PM

itll be alright....i'm hear to talk if you need anyone to talk to

10/19/2010 1:39:32 PM

Let's all hug it out over at Goodberry's.

...just not homosexual affection. You know how that is over there.

10/19/2010 1:50:15 PM

*hug

Yeah, i just couldnt believe how big of a douche he was being yesterday. I forgive him though. We are back on good terms. I'm so glad this feud is over. I'm sorry I called you a butt hurt, diaper wearing ass blood, indy. Honest.

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 1:55 PM. Reason : d]

10/19/2010 1:54:58 PM

Every time I see this thread I want Goodberrys.

Maybe it's just clever viral marketing by York Properties.

10/19/2010 4:51:20 PM

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"they apologized that the women were offended? that's not an apology. "I'm sorry your feelings were hurt" is no concession."

You're right. I won't rest until these two ladies get free Priuses (Prii?) for their trouble.

WE SHALL OVERCOOOOOMMMMMMEEEEEE

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 5:42 PM. Reason : l]

10/19/2010 5:42:27 PM

I'm willing to bet there was some lesbian shenanigans going on.

10/19/2010 6:21:51 PM

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 6:35 PM. Reason : no one reads #149]

10/19/2010 6:27:40 PM