Theyre called Mike Tyson actually

1/18/2011 12:40:21 PM

Quote :

"this dude ^^ thinks people keep african wild dogs as pets (and dingoes). that's the same as keeping a tiger or a bear. no dogs in my house, ever. i don't like dogs. (no, i don't have cats either)"

huh? why would i think that?

1/18/2011 12:41:17 PM

Born Free taught the world that lions make great pets as long as they're raised right.
Except 20 years later when one of that guy's lions mauled a toddler for no apparent reason.
And then 10 years after that when the same lion killed one of his employees.

1/18/2011 12:41:40 PM

A buddy of mine got his face clawed up severely by a pit one time. The guy was sleeping on the couch, and the dog curled up right beside him. The next morning, the mailman knocked at the door, and the dog jumped up to go stand by the door. In the process of jumping off the couch, he inadvertantly clawed the guy who was still sleeping. It wasn't like the dog meant to hurt him, but this is a very large and strong dog. I'd hate to imagine how bad a kid could have gotten hurt in that same situation.

1/18/2011 12:41:58 PM

exactly^

1/18/2011 12:43:00 PM

i'd be more worried putting a child with a pomeranian or dalmatian than a pit.

1/18/2011 12:43:20 PM

Quote :

"These dogs don't give you anything that you wouldn't get from a more docile breed."

That's my opinion. Why even introduce a risk factor into the home, however small.

1/18/2011 12:45:31 PM

My hippogriff had to be put down after some shitty rich kid pissed it off and got what he deserved.

1/18/2011 12:50:39 PM

subsequently hippogriff got what he deserved in the end

1/18/2011 12:53:08 PM

Quote :

"huh? why would i think that?"

Well now I see that you don't think that...

You changed the

^
to
^7

(under my post where I talked about wild dogs)

1/18/2011 12:54:16 PM

Internet law dictates the use of no more than three ^s. That's what the quote box is for.

1/18/2011 1:03:58 PM

^when i typed it, it was right above me

^^^^^ the ones i had as a kid were all incredibly calm and were comparable to a lab or possibly a golden with how they interacted with us kids. the difference is that my mom was allergic to dogs and a lab or golden would never work (plus the smell bad). our dogs had short hair and never stank and my mom never had allergy problems.

1/18/2011 1:07:48 PM

There are Dog Statistics done on every dog each year that shows what dogs are more aggressive than others.

Atts - Amercian Temperament Test Society

Anything above 80% is good / below 80% is bad

Dalmation 81.8%,
Husky 86.6%,
German Shepard/ cop dog 83.5%,
Rotts 82.6%,
Mastiff 83.9%,
American Pit Bull
Terrier 84.3%,
American Staffordshire 83.4%,
Staffordshire Bull Terrier 85.3%, and
Boxer 84.3
Collie 53.3%

little dogs..Anything above 80% is good / below 80% is bad
Bichon Frise 79.3%,
Corgi 75.4%,
Chihuahua 70.3%,
Dachshund 70.2%,
Setter 75%,
Schnauzer 75.5%,
Lhasa Apso 69.2%

little dogs are far more aggressive than the larger breeds
http://www.atts.org/about.html

The American Temperament Test Society, Inc. (ATTS) is a national not-for-profit organization (registered in the state of Missouri) for the promotion of uniform temperament evaluation of purebred and spayed/neutered mixed-breed dogs.

ATTS was established to:

* Provide for a uniform national program of temperament testing of purebred and spayed/neutered mixed-breed dogs.
* Conduct seminars to disseminate information to dog owners, dog breeders and evaluators (testers) concerning dog psychology, motivation, reaction and other aspects of temperament testing.
* Recognize and award certificates to dogs that pass the requirements of the temperament evaluation.
* Work for the betterment of all breeds of dogs.
* Select, train, prepare and register temperament evaluators.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 1:10 PM. Reason : sdgf]

1/18/2011 1:09:54 PM

Dalmatians can be a very nasty breed.

I should know, I've had two. Come to think of it, my mom had Chows growing up too, and then she and my dad got a Rotweiler that had to be given away for some reason.

They don't make very sound pet breed decisions I guess

And they want to get a pitbull or an English Bull Terrier

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM. Reason : lkj]

1/18/2011 1:16:21 PM

^^

Quote :

"In 1990 Carl Herkstroeter, his wife Carolyn, and Harriet Ann Pahlmann and Margaret B Pahlmann incorporated the ATTS into a for profit business in the state of Missouri. One year later, they created the non-profit. "

Quote :

"According to Herkstroeter, “Just because a certain percentage of dogs in a certain breed fail, this does not necessarily indicate aggression. Dogs fail for other reasons, such as strong avoidance. If you look at our statistics just from a perspective of aggression or non-aggression, they can be very misleading.” Herkstroeter states that 95% of the dogs that fail, do so because they lack confidence to approach the weirdly dressed stranger or walk on the strange surface. The remaining 5% fail because they take longer than 45 seconds to recover from the gunshot or the umbrella. Still pit bull advocates continue to distort the meaning of the test. "

Quote :

"If a dog panics and does not recover or if the dog shows strong avoidance or unprovoked aggression, it fails. Re: aggression, breed specific temperament and the prior experience and training of the dogs are taken into account. The website states that aggressive responses during the final phase of the test is okay for a dog with schutzhund training but an untrained husky displaying aggression toward the stranger may fail. It is obvious that these judges possess far too much discretion in these tests. Some pit bull owners report that their pit bulls passed when it launched aggressively at the stranger while other pit bulls have passed when it barely acknowledged the stranger. Passing or failing is completely dependent upon the whims of the testers."

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies.html

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 1:26 PM. Reason : s]

1/18/2011 1:25:01 PM

from my experience spending time with all types of breeds growing up as a kid and into my adult life as well as volunteering with SPCA i can say that Dalmatians and Chows are two of the MOST aggressive breeds i have ever dealt with across the board.

i've been bit by a Chow Chow but it was my fault for fucking with him when i was a kid. the same dog had to be put down for mauling a friend of mine and it literally took off about one of his ears entirely

1/18/2011 1:27:45 PM

All those Dalmations and Chows had bad owners. You're ignorant. Stop being ignorant.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 1:31 PM. Reason : s]

1/18/2011 1:30:32 PM

im sorry ... i have the story wrong. the chow chow lived a fulfilling life ... it was this guys other dog, a shar pei that had to be put down for mauling my friend

1/18/2011 1:51:43 PM

this thread makes me

started out to be supportive of the dog, and then some folks ignorant to the true breed of the dog (and if you want me to say otherwise, tell me what vets and shelters you have worked at, as well as what personal dog experience you have other than CNN video clips and media vilification and blood lust you find on the internet) come in here and try to tell us that this breed is incredibly dangerous as a whole and needs to be banned. OH WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN????



GOD DAMN I LOVE CHIT CHAT!

1/18/2011 1:56:06 PM

What kills me about this thread (or maybe just in the general public) is that people don't want to acknowledge the fact that you're less likely to hear about a lab bite or cocker spaniel bite in the media than a pit bull bite. Yet if you go to an animal shelter, you are much more likely to find dogs in quarantine who are breeds you wouldn't expect than a pit mix. In fact, I could count on one hand how many pits I saw in quarantine for dog bites while I was working in the shelter for over a year (I think it was only two or three). However, I saw multiple lab mixes, sharpeis, chows, cocker spaniels, chihuahuas, etc. Most of the bad ones were small breeds, and most of the causes were from situations where a child had been too rough with the dog.

IMO, that's why pits are one of the best family dogs... Not only are they major people pleasers and just want to do what you tell them, but they have a high pain tolerance.

And if you want to talk about dealing with pits who were actually trained to fight, I'll go back to my dog fighting ring example. The only dogs that we needed to restrained mainly needed to be restrained because of their response to the other dogs barking around them... I will admit, if they heard a single yelp it was like a switch being flipped. That being said, the majority of the dogs in the ring (and not all of them were puppies) were just happy to see us and would only occasionally growl at the other dogs as we passed by their cages. They could have easily been adopted out... They could have gone to a home with no other pets (just in case someone was worried there would be some residual effects of being in that dog fighting environment) or they could have had some training. There were even little puppies who weren't even 6 months old who had to be put down who had no responses to the other dogs besides wanting to play. :\


Finally, maybe I'm a little biased, but I think a lot of the dog bites that have been given as examples could have been avoided. Let's face it, a lot of children are brats when it comes to treating animals the right way. I completely agree with the other people who mentioned it - you shouldn't leave a dog by itself with a child, no matter how nice you think they are... AND you shouldn't let your children do whatever they want with a pet because one day that tugging and pulling may actually hurt and the dog might respond. On the flip side, people should train their dogs properly... (duh)



Oh and I call bullshit on dalmations generally having a good temperament...

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2011 2:19:42 PM

i only take issue to people endangering their children

its not that children are fuckin being brats, a lot of times they dont have the cognitive ability to know any better

no, they dont deserve to be punished by being bitten by a dog, so I agree with you that maybe a dog with more of a greater pain tolerance such as a pit would be a good family dog so long as its raised properly like any dog.

but you act as if its ok for a child to be attacked by a dog because it was a "fucking brat"

thats stupid and ignorant



[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : v]

1/18/2011 2:28:40 PM

all bites are created equal

1/18/2011 2:29:42 PM

^^^I agree with everything you said there

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:30 PM. Reason : ^]

1/18/2011 2:29:58 PM

Quote :

"What kills me about this thread is that people don't want to acknowledge the fact that you're less likely to hear about a lab bite or cocker spaniel bite in the media than a pit bull bite."

And why do you think that is? I'm pretty sure this might have something to do with it:

Quote :

"Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening. According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. ]In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states: If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price. "

When 3 breeds that make up only a small portion of the dog populartion are responsible for 65% of the deaths and 68% of the maimings OF COURSE YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO HEAR ABOUT IT.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : s]

1/18/2011 2:30:37 PM

Quote :

"no, they dont deserve to be punished by being bitten by a dog, so I agree with you that maybe a dog with more of a greater pain tolerance such as a pit would be a good family dog so long as its raised properly like any dog."

granted, i have no actual proof to back this up, but I think the situation has a lot to do with a dog being good with a "family"

if you have an 8 year old [insert dog breed here] that isn't used to being around small kids and you pop one out, I'd be very wary of that dog being around said child just because it's a foreign concept to the animal, thus making it's actions largely unpredictable even if it's been well behaved all of its life.

Wereas if you have a pup that's grown up along side a young child, having its ears pulled, or tail yanked is a normal part of its life, so it's not gonna go ape shit when something like that happens.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2011 2:38:04 PM

PIT MIX

from the East Wake Co. shelter, had her now for 10 years.

sweetest dog ever. she's been protector of my son since his birth, for 6 years now.

She's only bit one person, the heater repairman: but he had it coming.




[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:43 PM. Reason : ]

1/18/2011 2:40:55 PM

Quote :

"but you act as if its ok for a child to be attacked by a dog because it was a "fucking brat""

Yeah. That's exactly how I feel. That's why I followed it up with people need to know how to train their dogs. Damn, you got me.


^3 As for the information you keep posting, what I don't like about those statistics is that it's saying those breeds are more likely to "maim or kill"... MAYBE it's because they are naturally stronger??? Hmm, that's so shocking that a pit is more capable of maiming someone than a collie.

I'm not disagreeing that it's much worse to be bitten by a pit bull or rottie, because they have more of a physical capability to do serious damage than a cocker spaniel or similar dog. HOWEVER, I have personal experience with dealing with dogs who were in the middle of court proceedings or needed to be quarantined by the state because of bites, and also with handling animals that were turned over to the shelter. Guess what we usually discovered about dogs who were turned over to the shelter that turned out to be aggressive? In a lot of cases, the family would explain the dog was aggressive towards children and was continuously snapping, even causing some injuries (but not "serious enough to send someone to the hospital"). Most of these dogs were NOT pit bulls. I think it's also important for me to add that I wasn't one of the shelter employees out with the good dogs most of the time - I was the one providing vaccinations (if possible) to all animals that came in, putting down animals, and dealing with quarantine animals.

So, basically, do I think a pit bull, rottie, or something similar is more likely to do more damage? Yes. Do I think they're more likely to bite in general? No, not at all, not in the slightest.

PS - I keep mentioning cocker spaniels because I saw more of them turned over for snapping at children and other people than any other dog



I'm just going to finish that saying my main argument is for the personality of these dogs - people act like they're killers just because of what they can do with their bodies, and what bad owners train them to do with their bodies. If they're not in an environment where they're trained to do what they're capable of, I consider them to have the personality of love bugs who just want to do everything in their power to make you happy.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2011 2:42:29 PM

^^^^ no, you're more likely to hear about it when the media tells you that. ARE YOU NOT LISTENING? These people (and myself) are saying that in the shelters, vets, etc- we see more bites from other dogs, and pittys are not a problem breed- Yes, there are some bad ones out there, but there are bad labs and goldens too. And yes pit bulls are sometimes treated in a fashion to make them aggressive, but that is the owners fault, not theirs. Put a pitt bull in a good home and they are amazing dogs. You are making a blanket statement that pitt bulls are bad dogs by nature and need to be banned, which is terrible wrong and hurtful to the breed. This is a cyclic thing that changes every several decades. Now it is the pitties, before it was the rotties, then before that it was the german shepards. Why don't you, instead of looking online for crap studies which are easily refuted, get out and get some real world experience. Go to the shelters. Go ask some vets. get to know the breed. You are the perfect person that this type of event is meant for.

^again, I agree with everything you are saying. See, she has experience. Your (Skack's) argument is like someone who has never shot a gun before coming in and saying an AR-15 needs to be banned because it is more dangerous than a standard rifle (yet how many civilian AR assaults are there?)


[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:49 PM. Reason : clarification]

1/18/2011 2:43:31 PM

cocker spaniels are some of the most hateful breeds. those little inbred biting machines will take off a toddlers face.

1/18/2011 2:44:02 PM

Quote :

"When 3 breeds that make up only a small portion of the dog populartion are responsible for 65% of the deaths and 68% of the maimings OF COURSE YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO HEAR ABOUT IT."

Your point doesn't show any evidence against hers and hers actually could explain his study. If a child is bitten by a lab then people are more likely to write it off because labs are so friendly and good with kids. If a child is bitten by a pit then we have to call & report it because everyone knows that pits are just blood thirsty evil dogs that are waiting for a chance to eat a small child.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM. Reason : dammit]

1/18/2011 2:47:11 PM

^^


One of my best shelter stories involved a 9 month old cocker spaniel named Prince, and a pit bull (from the fighting ring) who weighed like 80 pounds and was solid muscle. Guess which one needed TWO choke sticks and literally busted teeth out by trying to bite everything that came into sight? I don't have time to go into the whole story but the pit bull part of the story shows the really depressing side of how some people only care about making this breed into machines.. :\

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2011 2:48:47 PM

No one cares when a pomeranian bites a child, that would never make the news. When a scary dog bits a child, its on CNN. Right now the scary dog is a pit, recently it was rottweilers, dobermans, or german shepherds.

The only thing "bad" I can think of about pits is that they can be very rambunctious puppies. The same type of resoluteness and determination that makes them so eager to please when mature can get them into trouble when they are young. I don't know that I would recommend a pit puppy to someone who has never trained a dog, but to anyone else, or if mature, they are great.

Quote :

""When 3 breeds that make up only a small portion of the dog populartion are responsible for 65% of the deaths and 68% of the maimings OF COURSE YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO HEAR ABOUT IT.""

this can be explained by this:

Quote :

"The kinds of dogs that kill people change over time, because the popularity of certain breeds changes over time. The one thing that doesn't change is the total number of the people killed by dogs. When we have more problems with pit bulls, it's not necessarily a sign that pit bulls are more dangerous than other dogs. It could just be a sign that pit bulls have become more numerous."

Quote :

"When I first started looking at fatal dog attacks, they largely involved dogs like German shepherds and shepherd mixes and St. Bernards—which is probably why Stephen King chose to make Cujo a St. Bernard, not a pit bull. I haven't seen a fatality involving a Doberman for decades, whereas in the nineteen-seventies they were quite common. If you wanted a mean dog, back then, you got a Doberman. I don't think I even saw my first pit-bull case until the middle to late nineteen-eighties, and I didn't start seeing Rottweilers until I'd already looked at a few hundred fatal dog attacks. Now those dogs make up the preponderance of fatalities. The point is that it changes over time. It's a reflection of what the dog of choice is among people who want to own an aggressive dog."""

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2011 2:54:02 PM

Quote :

"cocker spaniels are some of the most hateful breeds. those little inbred biting machines will take off a toddlers face."

I agree. I hate those ugly things.

Quote :

"You are making a blanket statement that pitt bulls are bad dogs by nature and need to be banned, which is terrible wrong and hurtful to the breed."

I'm not really making a blanket statement.
I've pointed out facts which you have yet to refute.
I never said all pit bulls are aggressive.

Many of you are using anecdotal evidence based on a small selection of dogs. I, too, could post anecdotal evidence contradicting your statements, but it's pointless. You're going to sit there and believe what you want to believe because your baby snookums wookums has never hurt anyone.

I'm fully aware that only a small percentage of pit bulls are responsible for the attacks that we hear about in the news. I sincerely hope none of you ever have a dog that attacks someone regardless of the breed. Don't attack me personally just because you don't like the facts though.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 2:57 PM. Reason : l]

1/18/2011 2:56:15 PM

I'm not spouting only anecdotal (although my personal experience i what leads me to defend this breed)

This is a common feeling through out the animal health industry. All vets I deal with, and all shelters I have been at feel the same way as me. If this were truly a dangerous breed, flat out, it wouldn't be that way. I can find you "studies" showing that eggs aren't good for you. if you try to argue that almost all doctors will say otherwise, is your evidence anecdotal? you came into a pit friendly/supportive thread and try to state that they aren't a good breed and are the most dangerous one out there.


and with that, I'm done being trolled in here- GOOD BYE!

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 3:01 PM. Reason : w]

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 3:03 PM. Reason : haa]

1/18/2011 3:00:21 PM

Wonder what percentage of gun fatalities are caused by pistols compared to fully automatic assault weapons.

1/18/2011 3:03:22 PM

Quote :

"you came into a pit friendly/supportive thread and try to state that they aren't a good breed and are the most dangerous one out there."

You're putting words in my mouth which I did not say. I suggest you re-read my second post in this thread:

Quote :

"Pits have very strong natural instincts to kill smaller animals. They show natural aggression towards other dogs. And while "natural human aggression" is arguable, many of them will naturally "protect" their owners by eating the UPS driver's throat. Sure, you can train most of them not to do these things, but what's the point? These dogs don't give you anything that you wouldn't get from a more docile breed."

That last line pretty much sums up my whole argument.

1/18/2011 3:05:17 PM

Agreed, biofreak

Slack, I feel like I answered you regarding those statistics. I also dont consider the amount of dogs I have worked with to be a small number, both good and bad. :/ The amount of animals that come through the Wake Co. Shelter is unreal, and every one of them came through the section I was in first..

And I don't get your smaller animal argument. Most of the aggressive pits I have seen went for all sizes, maybe even more so towards bigger dogs. But anyhow, obviously there's no changing anyone's mind ITT

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 3:13 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2011 3:10:41 PM

Yo, biofreak, since you know pets and shit I'm wondering, when I worked at a kennel i was attacked by a bulldog. It had attacked a coworker and I came to the scene, tried to put dog in kennel not realizing that triggered previous attack and it popped the metal door off and came after me. What continues to scare the shit out of me is the dog wouldn't stop, I even bent a metal door just to get away and if someone hadn't grabbed him I would have been hurt even more. WTF why didn't he stop? Usually they snap and that's it, this one wanted fucking death. WHY??

1/18/2011 3:10:56 PM

fucking magic

1/18/2011 3:12:14 PM

Quote :

"http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies.html"

I can't believe you seriously linked to this blog.

Quote :

"This blog has one goal: to expose the lies created by pit bull advocates and repeated to such an extent that they become regarded as truth. This propaganda strategy is known as Proof of Assertion and it is a favored tactic employed by the well organized pit bull apologia as it requires no critical thinking skills, only strength in numbers. The pit bull apologia's measure of success is even more simple. The Machiavellian like army of pit nutters need only drown out the opposition, regardless of the fact that their arguments completely lack any substance or merit. The pit bulls' army is made up of a handful of elite pit bull advocates like the sinister Jane Berkey, Ledy Vankavage, Cydney Cross, Karen Delise, Donna Reynolds, Dawn Capp and Diane Jessup who orchestrate the campaign for thousands of dedicated gullible drones that perform the grunt work; infecting the internet with the rote memorization of fabricated talking points. As their insane and baseless rantings begin to leach outside of the cult like bubble they live in and infect normal citizens, humane societies and law makers, it is critical that their lies be exposed."

OMG Pitt Bulls are a conspiracy to destroy the world!

1/18/2011 3:13:27 PM

Quote :

"Slack, I feel like I answered you regarding those statistics. I also dont consider the amount of dogs I have worked with to be a small number, both good and bad. :/ The amount of animals that come through the Wake Co. Shelter is unreal, and every one of them came through the section I was in first.."

Your experience represents a small slice of the dog's life. In many cases I'm sure the owner brought the dog to you, introduced you to the dog in a friendly manner, and you coddled it while doing your work to ease any fears it may have had. It says nothing for what the dog would do when it is alone in the place it considers home and a stranger walks up. It also does not address their strong prey drive or their aggression towards other dogs (mostly seen in mature males). So yes, your anecdotal evidence is incomplete at best.

Quote :

"I can't believe you seriously linked to this blog."

Regardless of the blog's intentions, the words of the president of the American Temperament Test Society's words are his own.

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 3:19 PM. Reason : s]

1/18/2011 3:16:35 PM

clearly you aren't converting anyone, perhaps you should just find your way out of this thread

1/18/2011 3:20:27 PM

Skack- I owe you an appology- while I don't agree with what you are saying, it was unfair to link you to the absolutist haters of the breed. I just don't see the argument saying that they are more capable of doing serious damage (well duh- they are medium to large size dogs with incredible bite strength) being a reason to discredit the breed. Mancoons are big powerful cats, that could maul an infant- yet no one worries about those. I am never going to argue that pitbulls don't have the capability to be dangerous- i will argue, however, that they are in general dangerous dogs

Kiwi- I am very sorry to hear about that. But like I said, there are bad examples of every breed. I was attacked by a dalmation (our own dalmation) when I was a child, and was also attacked by a full grown poodle. There are just bad dogs out there (again, very sorry to hear that happened to you, regardless of the breed).


to all others- pitt bulls are not bad unless they are raised poorly. And I don't think they should be left unattended with children (but neither should any other breed). And this time I'm done for good

1/18/2011 3:24:52 PM

Actually, no, I didn't meet most of the owners, and I didn't "coddle" the dogs while chatting with the owners on why they're giving up their animal.

The fact that you're now jumping to conclusions about the level of my experience makes me realize a debate with you is not worth the time.

1/18/2011 3:27:15 PM

Quote :

"Usually they snap and that's it, this one wanted fucking death. WHY?? "

because that's what pits do; they latch on and attack until they've killed whatever it is that pissed them off. That's why you hear about pits in the news, although Biofreak seems to think it's a conspiracy theory.

1/18/2011 3:34:41 PM

My parents have owned two cocker spaniels, both of which are (and were) some of the most gentle dogs I've ever been around.

I'd imagine people would care more when an 80lb pit bull bites and jumps on someone over, say a 25lb cocker

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 3:39 PM. Reason : f]

1/18/2011 3:38:34 PM

There are 30 dog related fatalities in the US per year, but let's make a blanket statement like "That's what they do"

1/18/2011 3:40:47 PM

you can make blanket statements about a dog that has been bred for centuries to do just that.

1/18/2011 3:49:20 PM

Polar bears make fantastic pets, so gentle. Would definitely leave my child with our pet polar bear, they don't call the polar bear the "babysitter bear" for nothing

1/18/2011 3:53:58 PM

Who calls polar bears a babysitting bear?

1/18/2011 3:57:11 PM