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"they should have deleted a few posts"

Deleting a few posts here and there poses a few issues:

For one, it violates the free speech that this site has had in effect for years. Frankly, i love the fact that this site allows the free speech that it does.

Secondly, how would mods pick and choose what posts should be deleted? How would you feel if your posts in this thread were deleted here and there because THAT particular mod didn't like it? qntmfred is one of the few mods of Chit Chat and, if your "deleting a few posts" thing were in effect, he'd have every right to delete any posts he didn't like (especially the ones where you are calling him an awful person). Every mod has their own personality, morals, and system of beliefs. Instead of forcing these biases on the users and their posts, the whole "free speech" thing frees all of these biases and allows for you to have a better message board experience.

6/11/2011 11:12:34 AM

free speech is a myth

as evidence see the suspension of a girl who was being torn apart

6/11/2011 11:13:23 AM

i don't think threatening to post nudes of someone to damage their reputation should fall within the scope of free speech

6/11/2011 11:15:27 AM

Someone who said NOTHING to her and didn't even post in that thread.

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM. Reason : anyway, I've wasted too much time. this is all just opinion and not any policy of the site]

6/11/2011 11:15:52 AM

^^why not? then where do you draw the line?

people have posted nudes of people many times on this site, the real issue this time is who they were of

6/11/2011 11:16:50 AM

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"One could be a fucking adult and take responsibility for their posts. That might be asking too much, though, I know it's hard"

6/11/2011 11:17:32 AM

so if we can all agree to put a limit on free speech at nude pictures of users then why is it such a stretch to put a limit on free speech at threads that are hurting multiple people?

logic that through for me

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM. Reason : as = at]

6/11/2011 11:18:12 AM

This thread needs some tits.. its become too serious!

6/11/2011 11:19:39 AM

I like how every single post that this rbrthwrd kid makes can be completely countered by what I said yesterday. Yet he still doesn't seem to be able to get it.

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"It seems you're still under the assumption that she was suspended in order to suppress information. Which is understandable, seeing as how you're a fucktard."

6/11/2011 11:20:56 AM

because if you prevent users from posting a nude photo, then you prevent or delete that photo (and that person should be penalized for it, that is, if we say posting nude photos of others is a limit to the free speech thing)

if you lock or delete a thread, you prevent others from discussing and adding to an entire topic/conversation

6/11/2011 11:21:31 AM

^^she was suspended to "protect her"

stay with the conversation man

^nude photos usually come with plenty of discussion and threads


[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2011 11:21:49 AM

^i've only been registered since 08, but since my time here, I don't think anyone's nude photos have been posted without their permission.

if so, i'd have a serious problem with it.

6/11/2011 11:24:00 AM

haha, then you haven't been here long enough

6/11/2011 11:24:22 AM

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"she was suspended to "protect her" "

The fact that you "put quotes around it" just shows that you "still don't get it" and are indeed quite a "fucktard".

6/11/2011 11:24:45 AM

^^yes.. and i already stated that fact.

6/11/2011 11:24:54 AM

^^ try to keep up, see:

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"listen, if you really wanted to "help the girl out" by suspending her maybe instead you should have just deleted the posts when she realized she made a mistake and pm'd mods instead of letting her start a shit storm and letting everyone pile on the insults before suspending her to "help her out" [Edited on June 11, 2011 at 10:31 AM. Reason : you know, like a decent human being] "

6/11/2011 11:25:52 AM

Free speech does not apply to message boards, nor should it. Ken, as the owner of this site, can permit or block what he sees fit. If you don't like it, find a new message board.

However, you'll find that most other boards are much, much more heavily moderated. They're very liberal on this site in regards to censorship.

6/11/2011 11:27:21 AM

^he wants more moderation and for mods to be allowed to delete certain posts as they see fit

6/11/2011 11:28:06 AM

we need more moderation, thats my point

the response seems to be that its too hard to tell where to draw the line... buts its not really

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2011 11:28:16 AM

^i believe it would be, for reasons i posted at the very top of this page.

i do agree with deleting certain posts if they contain a nude photo of another user without that user's permission

if you can come up with more specific scenarios where deleting a certain post is justified, please vocalize it here.

6/11/2011 11:30:09 AM

so what about the inevitable threads and discussion surrounding posts? delete those? if yes, then why not this?

6/11/2011 11:30:47 AM

no, not delete those. i'd leave those within the scope of "free speech," but didn't you and I just come to an agreement that posting nude photos of someone else shouldn't be within that scope?

6/11/2011 11:32:55 AM

deleting posts is something that is rarely seen here, for good reason, regardless of what this RABBLE RABBLE RAWR RAWR RAWR n00b wants.

6/11/2011 11:33:34 AM

I think is argument is, "well it's been done in the past" and that's true.. even to the poster in question in the center of this argument.

But that was also almost exclusively under past moderators and past ownership.

6/11/2011 11:34:02 AM

i think "free speech" is a silly metric to try to manage a website under

and i put posts that harm users in the same category as nude pictures

6/11/2011 11:34:38 AM

wait, so there have actually been nude photos posted WITH permission? I don't remember that ever happening.

6/11/2011 11:34:43 AM

^^^ great point.


^i feel like ive seen ambrosia post a nude photo of herself. i feel like once you release it yourself, others can take it and do with it as they please. once it's out there on the interwebz, it's out there.

6/11/2011 11:34:57 AM

the website was also registering a lot more new users when the moderating was tougher

that's not entirely a coincidence and thats my point. all of this comes back to things this site needs to stay alive.

6/11/2011 11:37:13 AM

correlation != causation

6/11/2011 11:37:55 AM

this site needs more titties and beer.


FTMFW!

6/11/2011 11:37:59 AM

^^ i never claimed it was entirely dependent on that, in fact my first posts lists many of the other reasons. but moderating is part of it.

and really the moderating was tougher back then, they would just use a common sense approach when it came to occasionally removing things

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2011 11:38:56 AM

Tougher moderation that fosters free speech. Check.

6/11/2011 11:39:15 AM

6/11/2011 11:39:26 AM

^^ see

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"i think "free speech" is a silly metric to try to manage a website under"

and try to keep up you piece of shit

6/11/2011 11:40:28 AM

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"Tougher moderation that fosters free speech. Check."

Goddammit, I was drinking something when I read this. You owe me a new keyboard.

6/11/2011 11:40:55 AM

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"Tougher moderation that fosters free speech. Check."

Yeah this n00b is making no sense, with any of his posts. He's just just rabbling for the sake of rabbling.

6/11/2011 11:41:23 AM

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"in fact my first posts lists many of the other reasons. but moderating is part of it."

Ok.. well all of the stuff about attracting current students, such as school tool and book exchange, I'm pretty sure are being worked on by qntmfred for the new site 3 launch. so sit tight and we'll see how it goes. please don't sit there and criticize him without knowing all of the hard work he's putting into the site. you can sit there and judge AFTER site 3 is out.

6/11/2011 11:41:49 AM

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""i think "free speech" is a silly metric to try to manage a website under""

6/11/2011 11:41:57 AM

I think we're all neglecting to ask ourselves the bigger question here.

Which previously suspended/terminated and obviously disliked username is this rbrthwrd douche-nozzle an alias of?

6/11/2011 11:42:51 AM

Free speech does not apply to message boards, nor should it. Ken, as the owner of this site, can permit or block what he sees fit. If you don't like it, find a new message board.

6/11/2011 11:43:16 AM

no password, no unity email

6/11/2011 11:44:02 AM

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"Which previously suspended/terminated and obviously disliked username is this rbrthwrd douche-nozzle an alias of."

yah thats why ive asked what this supposed prior username was...to which he hasn't even responded to

6/11/2011 11:44:14 AM

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"Ken, as the owner of this site, can permit or block what he sees fit."

QFT.. this site is privately owned when all is said and done.

6/11/2011 11:45:58 AM

synapse, why are you posting videos. does the conversation worry you?

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2011 11:46:18 AM

against the lone voice of reason, right?

6/11/2011 11:47:26 AM

look we all understand you are trying uber hard to be a rabble rouser. it's crystal clear.

the problem is you suck at it.


if you wanna be a contender, look at the people who are actually effective at rabble rousing. study their game before you try to step in the spotlight like this and make a fool of yourself again.

6/11/2011 11:49:49 AM

El Nacho, why are you so opposed to this discussion?

^i'm trying to talk about things this site needs, and the type of reaction in this thread is one of the main problems that i was talking about that prevents new users from sticking around. thank you for highlighting my point.

[Edited on June 11, 2011 at 11:51 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2011 11:50:01 AM

Hahaha, bandwagon? You have sat here for like 2 days making absolutely uninformed, ungrounded, and outlandish assumptions and posts. Surprise! People took notice and are calling you on your shit.

6/11/2011 11:50:55 AM

Personally, I'm opposed to it because I shy away from arguments with people who clearly have superior intellect and argument skills.

6/11/2011 11:51:03 AM

look, EMCE, you piece of shit

i'm sorry that you are offended that you have been called out. consider yourself officially called out. its pretty fucked up to rag on a girl and then suspend her.

6/11/2011 11:52:23 AM