Alright ... I was on the fence about this show. But I've gotta say, tonight's episode was pretty awesome.

Seems like the "ghosts" at the house have eternal life so long as they're on the property, but can re-die if they manage to leave. Since the "dead can walk freely on Halloween," the down-syndrome girl is down for the count.

Maybe. I don't know. But I do know this show is pretty damn good.

10/26/2011 11:05:39 PM

I'm pretty sure that Addie (the girl with Down Syndrome) was actually a living person, as is her mother. Her mother has aged since the flashback of when she shot the maid. This is what I gathered:

- If you die on the grounds of the house, you come back as a ghost and can't leave the premises. The nosy neighbor saw her daughter lying in the street and tried to drag her to the grounds of the house knowing that if she did die, she'd come back as a ghost there. This also leads me to believe that the guy with the burnt face is not a ghost since Ben has seen him multiple times while out. The twins, Sylar and his boyfriend, the maid, the gimp, the house builder's wife, etc. have all only been seen on the premises of the house except for on Halloween, which leads to the next observation.

- In the book that the guy was reading to Addie, it said that Halloween was the one night of the year that the dead can walk among the living. The maid asked for the night off and obviously this is the first time that we've seen her leave the house. I'm still not sure what the deal with Tate is though. Violet said she wanted to go out on a real date with him and he was like "Yeah let's do it tomorrow", tomorrow in this context being Halloween. Also, on the day of Halloween was the only time we've seen him off the premises of the house when he met Ben for coffee. Ben was talking to his parents at one point on the phone though but since Hayden called him, maybe Tate's parents are ghosts too?

10/27/2011 8:44:54 AM

Didn't we see him elsewhere when Violet was smoking the cig?

or was that at the house?

10/27/2011 8:46:39 AM

is this show online anywhere?

10/27/2011 9:27:30 AM

It's called 'subtext' mmk?

10/27/2011 11:25:57 AM

I think when she was smoking she was still at the house, just outside.

10/27/2011 1:24:55 PM

I really liked this last episode

10/27/2011 10:12:33 PM

Picked up for a second season (ugh).

10/31/2011 2:14:24 PM

sweet! thanks for the update

10/31/2011 2:22:32 PM

haha
who knows, perhaps we'll all be sorry

10/31/2011 4:01:01 PM

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"is this show online anywhere?"

http://www.fxnetworks.com/

[Edited on October 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM. Reason : url]

10/31/2011 4:29:50 PM

iirc, there's a marathon tonight, so anyone who hasn't seen it can watch all 4 episodes.

10/31/2011 4:32:09 PM

after seeing Tate in the gimp costume... thinking he and the gimp are one in the same...

11/1/2011 9:53:35 AM

Yeah, but that seems a little too obvious, ya know? Maybe not though.

The maid character is really intriguing too. She's the only ghost that seems to show any sign of aging, even if she's only old half the time. Her quote about "men only seeing what they want to see" might explain why she looks young/hot to men and old/unattractive to women.

11/1/2011 12:30:52 PM

soooo did anyone else watch the last episode besides me?

11/4/2011 7:48:58 AM

I did. Some predictable parts, sure, but pretty intense episode all around. Thought Tate was a goner. Also, Hayden's character just confirms that this show was cast brilliantly. I thought she was great -- along with pretty much everyone else on the show.

Really interested to see what the nurse saw on the sonogram (devil baby?). Looks like we'll find out next week.

11/4/2011 9:53:07 AM

Yeah last episode was great, I loved the dog in the microwave.

It did open up a ton of plot holes about the ghost mechanics though. Do you have to be buried on the house property to come back as a ghost (at least a ghost who haunts the house) or just die on the property. What happens if you don't return to your haunting spot by the time of sun up? Is Hayden gone for good?

11/4/2011 10:19:56 AM

I thought it was a really good episode. It gave a little back story for Tate. Also, thoughts on the gimp...maybe Sylar (when still alive) brought a guy in a gimp suit in to please his unfaithful boyfriend one night and some shit went down resulting in him being killed? I can't think of any other previous residents of the house that would be associated with a gimp.

Wasn't Tate originally in therapy for having thoughts about shooting up his school? I guess it is kinda obvious that he actually did shoot up his school but I'm very curious as to why he picked the targets that he did since they seemed like they never even talked to him in school.

11/4/2011 11:09:46 AM

^^I would hope hayden isn't gone for good.

She's super hot in her ghost makeup.

^The school shooting stuff was referencing the Columbine massacre.

[Edited on November 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

11/4/2011 1:17:00 PM

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"after seeing Tate in the gimp costume... thinking he and the gimp are one in the same..."

we've now seen everyone who we know died in the house show back up except for:

the burnt face guy's family and Addy's dad who was shot in the bed with the maid. I was thinking, being the adulterer he is, that he was the gimp.

11/4/2011 5:40:25 PM

it's pretty obvious tate is a ghost but i wonder how he died? pills? if he blew his head off or slit his wrists we'd have seen some sort of gore since the kids he killed were all fucked up.

11/4/2011 6:23:03 PM

^ good question. since he's still around, we also know he had to have died in that house. another reason why Constance was trying to drag Addy to the yard.

so, he shoots up the school and then returns to that house to off himself? and, as you said, how?

11/4/2011 6:28:02 PM

I think Tate was seeing a therapist back when it all happened. Maybe for schizophrenia. He seemed to genuinely not know who those kids were. He probably had an episode and went berserk. Then went to the house to kill himself.

Also, if Constance lives next door, and she walked in on her husband and the maid and killed them both, how is the maid bound to the murder house? Did Constance used to live there too? She must have. It would also explain why Tate, her son, is bound to the house as well. BUT she showed a pic of Tate and Addy. The maid murder happened in the 60s, but it never alluded to when Tate's incident occurred. Addy just died and couldn't be more than a teen.

11/5/2011 10:35:46 AM

^Constance definitely used to live in the murder house when the husband/maid murder happened. I assumed that she moved next door later so she could stay close to the spirits, like Tate maybe, but not actually have to live among them. Or Tate may have actually been living next door with Constance in the 1990s when he went on a killing spree and returned to the murder house to kill himself. The idea that Tate was crazy is interesting...if he was crazy, was it caused by a mental illness or the fact that he grew up with ghosts? And I guess that goes for all of them...being haunted by ghosts could make people homicidal. Murder begets murder.


Addy is confusing. People with Down syndrome age a little differently, and it appears that the makers of the show may have used that too liberally. We saw a clip of her warning those two boys not to go in the house like in the 1970s...so if we're to assume she's not a ghost, then she was supposed to be like 35-45 years old when she died in this past episode. I guess those boys coulda been in the 1980's and that would make more sense....regardless, the game is on.

[Edited on November 5, 2011 at 12:38 PM. Reason : GO PACK!]

11/5/2011 12:23:17 PM

I dont think the "how" of tates death matters much. The ghosts in the house dont have any scars of their death with the exception or Hayden at the start.

11/5/2011 1:12:57 PM

^wrong, all of the ghosts who got murdered where they would bleed (not the drowning)have some sort of scar/wound.

11/5/2011 2:25:41 PM

Yeah, the blonde lady (original homeowner's wife) has a wicked hole in the back of her head. Looks like someone tried to suck her brain out. The maid also has the messed up eye where Constance shot her.

11/5/2011 3:45:49 PM

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"I dont think the "how" of tates death matters much. The ghosts in the house dont have any scars of their death with the exception or Hayden at the start."

you taken a look at the maid's eye lately?

lol

11/5/2011 5:25:32 PM

A note on the dates... it listed the dates on the flashbacks. The twins dying was in the 1970s and Constance's murdering of the maid was in the 1980s (83 I think).

11/5/2011 7:44:42 PM

Okay, so in 1978, a young Addie (supposedly Constance's daughter) was standing outside the house, warning those two boys not to go in. The house was run down.

Then, in 1983, Constance was in the house (not run down) murdering her husband and the maid.

And some time in the mid-90s, a teenage Tate (supposedly Constance's son) somehow got his spirit tied to the house (probably after going on a killing spree).

So...why was Addie at the run down house before her family moved in? And why would they move in when apparently Addie (at least) knew it was a bad house? Did Constance figure out the house and purposefully move her family in so she could somehow use it to her advantage?? And did they live in the house for over a decade--into the mid-90's when Tate died--or had they already moved next door by then?

(I just read that the actress that plays Addie is around 27 in real life so I guess it's not unbelievable that she's a mid-30s non-ghost person when she gets hit by the car.)

I guess it doesn't really matter...they really want us focused on all this baby stuff.



I READ THIS SOMEWHERE SO IT'S KIND OF A SPOILER AND NOT AN ORIGINAL OBSERVATION:
















Ben's crazy. The dude with a burned face is not a ghost and not real. He's in Ben's head. Ben killed Hayden. ???
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/american-horror-story-10-questions-about-murder-house/2011/10/19/gIQAW0TB0L_blog.html
























I feel super lame for analyzing this show. It's really not this complicated.

[Edited on November 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM. Reason : ]

11/5/2011 9:55:31 PM

^ I think the burned guy is real, the daughter heard/saw him when he was banging on the door

11/6/2011 7:55:33 PM

^was just about to post that same thing. doesn't make sense that he wouldn't be real given that violet seems to be aware of him.

11/6/2011 8:01:14 PM

And wasn't he supposed to die soon?

11/6/2011 8:24:28 PM

Snaps, I forgot about that!

11/6/2011 8:42:25 PM

addie's mother says she's 30 something years old..."I've given my whole life to you for thirty something years but I will not share the affections of any man I bring into this house"

11/7/2011 4:29:22 PM

What does violet being aware of the burnt guy have anything to do with him being a ghost or not? Tate and the maid are ghosts too and she's seen them.

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 11:55 AM. Reason : V Oh okay, I misread. Thanks for the clarification.]

11/8/2011 11:44:56 AM

I don't think anyone said he couldn't be a ghost, though I still think he's alive. They're saying he can't be a figment of Ben's imagination (ie: his craziness embodied) because Violet has seen him. Here was the original post

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"Ben's crazy. The dude with a burned face is not a ghost and not real."

11/8/2011 11:49:37 AM

And we are tentatively suggesting that he can't be a ghost because we've seen him off the property on occasions that don't include Halloween time.

11/8/2011 12:13:58 PM

That too

11/8/2011 12:52:19 PM

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"A note on the dates... it listed the dates on the flashbacks. The twins dying was in the 1970s and Constance's murdering of the maid was in the 1980s (83 I think)."

I think you got those dates backwards...

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"I think the burned guy is real, the daughter heard/saw him when he was banging on the door"

This doesn't mean anything. Anyone can see the ghosts as long as they are on the property. The cop saw the maid. The wife can see (and feel, HEY-YO) the Gimp.

The reason the burn face guy is alive is because he saw Ben outside in the park while jogging (not on Halloween). Although, Violet technically never saw him. Just heard him banging at the door. So the whole 'figment of Ben's imagination' thing could still be plausible. I don't think anyone else has had any interaction with him.

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"addie's mother says she's 30 something years old..."I've given my whole life to you for thirty something years but I will not share the affections of any man I bring into this house""

Good catch. That explains a lot.





[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 1:19 PM. Reason : gg]

11/8/2011 1:18:38 PM

^Violet saw him through the peep hole of the door and he scared the trick or treaters away. And the twins were definitely killed in the 70s and the maid in the 80s.

11/8/2011 1:33:33 PM

They forgot to have Tate ask the cheerleader if she believes in God.

11/10/2011 3:39:12 AM

^^ Also, Ben was on the phone with violent WHILE she heard the burned guy outside through the peep hole. If this guy is a figment of Ben's imagination it will be the worst (not to mention most cliche) reveal of television history....evar.

Anyways, what is the Southern Belle's story? If she knew Tate's ghost was there, why did she move out? Wouldn't she want to be close to him? Also, why is she feeding Viv organs why is so concerned about the baby's safety?

I am thinking that maybe she made a deal with the house (or the devil himself) to have Tate reborn. It would explain why she cares so much about Viv's baby, it would explain why she moved out (I guess the house can't impregnate someone across the street), it would even explain why the House killed Spock and his lover so fast (they can't have babies and would only be wasting the house's time).

If that is the deal, the House could be pulling a fast one on Constance et al by giving birth to some hell demon (would explain the freaked out nurse and Viv's dreams).

Time will tell.

11/10/2011 8:14:45 AM

Good episode last night. That shoot-out scene in the beginning was epic. One thought though: I wonder if Violet died ... or if Tate really was able to save her?

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"Anyways, what is the Southern Belle's story? If she knew Tate's ghost was there, why did she move out? "

She blamed the house for making Tate go crazy. Maybe by moving next door, she could be close to him but avoid most of the craziness.

11/10/2011 9:28:02 AM

i wonder why all Ben's patients die after he treats them...


i'm actually on board with this show now

11/10/2011 9:53:27 AM

Good episode last night. Agreed that the shootout scene was very well done and quite chilling. Perhaps Constance moved out because she realized that whoever lives there will eventually be killed or go nuts/kill others.

11/10/2011 10:07:13 AM

In reference to the ghosts still keeping some aspect of their injuries... I haven't seen last nights episode, but why did the dog not look any different in the one previous? I mean it literally blew up.

11/10/2011 11:24:22 AM

Hayden could have been telling the truth about the dog when she said it was actually tomatoes.

11/10/2011 11:25:09 AM

Ehh I don't think she was.

11/10/2011 11:31:20 AM

I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that the dog was fine. Viv found it in a closet.

11/10/2011 11:51:12 AM