You guys are coming to the same terrible realization that I have. American culture is fucked, most people are ignorant, and the most ignorant among us are the ones pumping out the most children.

9/26/2011 5:03:30 PM

I, too, have seen Idiocrocy

9/26/2011 5:11:45 PM

saps +1

9/26/2011 5:40:39 PM

honestly, at this point, anyone on that damn GOP panel, other than Bachmann and Santorum, are better than what we've got now.

9/26/2011 6:10:06 PM

It’s funny that nothing posted in this thread yet is actually reason to dislike Cain, because there are plenty of them.

1) if you look at his website: http://www.hermancain.com/h
He really needs to hire a new photographer, the one he has now doesn’t use the most flattering pictures

2) The “Spending” policy section literally doesn’t have a single factual statement. It reads like the ranting of pack_bryan or one of our other equally retarded Soap Boxers here on TWW.

on a related note, on his 999 page (looks a lot like 666 upside down…), he talks about merging the “flat taxers” and “fair-taxers” but what does this mean? these 2 groups of people splintered from each other, it makes 0 sense to try and merge them. “fair-taxers” are far more similar to the ideals of progressive taxation, than the dumb ideas of flat-taxers.

3) His energy policy is a joke, and not based in reality. I’m amazed the Tea Party supports his blatant corporate shilling, which is supposedly one of the things they should oppose. Although I do agree with removing the ethanol subsidy. That was just pandering to the Corn Lobby, one of the more damaging forces in our politics.

4) He wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, as if this somehow will somehow help things in the current recession. This will only set the stage for a new lending bubble, and shift the tax burden very heavily onto the middle class.

5) There may be a point buried in his health care views, but it’s hard to decipher on his blindly partisan political invective. Kind of makes his whole “unity” claims irrelevant.

6) the “Faith and Family” completely mischaracterizes American history, it’s amazing that level of misinformation has stuck on his site for so long. I’d think he has people making sure he’s making sense, but perhaps he hasnt gotten that far yet?

Cain seems, by far, to be the most Corporatist candidate in the race. All of his policies are designed to make life harder on most Americans, while transferring power away from the citizenry and into the hands of big business and corporations. I’d be more concerned if i thought he had any chance at all of winning, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

9/26/2011 7:30:10 PM

Quote :

"we arent saying he will be the nominee. we're saying you're retarded. there's a difference."

so you agree with me that he's not a contender...but you disagree with my reasons? okay, by all means, tell me why YOU think the republicans won't support him

9/26/2011 7:44:57 PM

because he has a post graduate degree

9/26/2011 7:53:23 PM

Quote :

"I feel like this as well, I almost wish we could do away with political parties. I think a lot of people support one side blindly without ever actually looking at the pro's and con's of each candidate. I guess it makes it easier on people and heaven forbid we become free thinkers."

i agree with you, but this will NEVER EVER EVER happen...EVER

the fact is that parties make it easy to choose the candidate you will likely agree with the most overall...since there's no single candidate that will ever support my views 100%, i can say without a doubt that i will agree with a democrat MORE than i will agree with a republican (i am neither, though i've only ever voted dem for the reason i just stated)...it does serve a purpose

and that's why i can say that i GENERALLY don't like those people who identify with the republican party because their viewpoints most frequently annoy me in their naïveté

[Edited on September 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2011 7:57:48 PM

you've never voted for a single republican? all the way down to city council or local judges?

9/26/2011 7:58:55 PM

i thought we were only speaking in regards to the presidential election

no, i've voted for republicans in localized elections (never congressional or for a governor, though)...i won't vote if i don't know anything about the candidates

9/26/2011 8:00:29 PM

hand waving itt

9/26/2011 8:01:18 PM

9/26/2011 8:13:20 PM

moron,

thanks for highlighting all those points herman cain clearly describes (despite your very deeply rooted hatred for all things republican) that really helped me as a citizen to make an informed choice for president. i urge others to do the same without a politically motivated mind.

i took the time to read through every single point you stated, and after doing so there is no doubt in my mind that herman cain is the best choice at the moment to become commander in chief and president

9/26/2011 8:19:29 PM

You're not known to be that bright, so it's really not surprsing.

9/26/2011 8:36:47 PM

Quote :

"on his 999 page (looks a lot like 666 upside down…)"

Best "reason" yet. Cain is the debil. haha

9/26/2011 8:53:15 PM

Quote :

"i took the time to read through every single point you stated, and after doing so there is no doubt in my mind that herman cain is the best choice at the moment to become commander in chief and president"

Yeah, there's no way you have seriously studied each candidate's positions and come to this conclusion. Someone is peddling Herman Cain to you, and I'm wondering who it is.

9/26/2011 9:11:17 PM

moron. you have a lot of predictable opinions about everything you say.

it's based on the fact that you are a democrat and will always be one no matter what they as a party believe.
you move with that mass of opinion no matter what it is. you will always be a part of it and will always blindly support it. it's an interesting behavioral phenomena we see in a lot of modern day liberals like yourself. you have no mental capacity to change nor would you ever even if it was beyond proof shown to you. it's a team mentality. you are emotionally connected and invested in your side winning.

9/26/2011 10:00:16 PM

Quote :

"Someone is peddling Herman Cain to you"

ok that's cool if you want to think that.

i've been peddled more obama than anything

9/26/2011 10:05:44 PM

There is one guy who's objectively the best possible person to be president and that person is Herman Cain and I can prove it with factual evidence and facts and evidence

9/26/2011 10:16:32 PM

9/26/2011 10:18:21 PM

tits

9/26/2011 10:59:16 PM

http://www.ibopezogby.com/news/2011/09/26/ibope-zogby-poll-perry-plummets-18-trails-cain-lead-among-gop-primary-voters/

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"Sep 26, 2011 UTICA, NY--Rick Perry has tumbled by more than 20 percentage points over the past month among Republican presidential primary voters and is now second to Herman Cain, who leads the field with 28%. Mitt Romney received little benefit from Perrys fall, garnering 17% of the vote for third place. As for President Barack Obama, both his job approval (42%) and the percentage who believe he deserves re-election (37%) are little changed from recent polls, but he does seem to be winning back some supporters who have been disappointed in his job performance. These results are from an IBOPE Zogby interactive poll conducted Sept. 23-26 of all likely voters and of likely Republican primary voters."

[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 3:26 PM. Reason : ]

9/27/2011 3:25:57 PM

Herman Cain = Chocolate Rain

9/27/2011 4:11:42 PM

has anyone seen his supporters replacing hurricane in scorpions "rock you like a hurricane" with:

hermain cain

ahahaha, awesome.

i like him, but

9/27/2011 4:14:15 PM

Talk radio in the triad had been running an ad where a Homer Simpson voice did the 'Rock you like a Herman Cain' thing.

9/27/2011 4:18:34 PM

YOUR VIEWS ARE WRONG

9/27/2011 4:20:03 PM

repubs will fuck this up and still not win the potus back if they elect HC as the front runner

you dont have to have a black guy to beat the other black guy

9/27/2011 5:37:02 PM

Of course you do... haven't you ever watched fight night boxing matches on HBO?

Or Idiocracy?

9/27/2011 5:59:30 PM

And in typical liberal fashion here comes the race card yet again.

Do you guys ever get tired of that crutch?

9/27/2011 6:04:16 PM

What a well-articulated argument you have there. It shoots a huge hole in the theory I presented! Good job!!!!

9/27/2011 6:07:12 PM

Herman Cain has played the race card.

Why can't his detractors?

9/27/2011 6:08:33 PM

After 2 centuries of white guys, now only minorities can be president for fear of the parties looking racist

9/27/2011 6:11:30 PM

what we need is a black woman to vote for
preferably libertarian

9/27/2011 6:46:01 PM

Herman Cain:


[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 7:05 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2011 7:04:10 PM

Quote :

"Herman Cain = Chocolate Rain"

some stay dry while others FEEL THE PAIN

9/27/2011 8:27:10 PM

The Tea Party won't be happy until John Rocker runs for president.

9/27/2011 8:41:14 PM

Thank you for letting us know how uneducated you are on the topic.

9/27/2011 9:53:16 PM

Oh, no troubles, bubbles.

And, I haven't bothered to read this thread. Anyone who thinks Herman Cain has a shot and is the least bit qualified is the one who's uneducated on the topic.

9/27/2011 10:57:01 PM

Thank you for letting us know you're uneducated on a broader variety of topics than just the tea party.

9/27/2011 10:59:06 PM

oh, word?

9/27/2011 11:00:26 PM

^^

we know that you're pretty well versed with herpes.

9/27/2011 11:01:26 PM

this pizza-delivering Joychick3-fucking piece of shit thinks everyone that disagrees with him is uneducated

[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 11:03 PM. Reason : e]

9/27/2011 11:03:23 PM

^^ You have AIDS, but that doesn't have a lot to do with Herman Cain.

If all you have to offer is untrue hyperbolic rhetoric, I'm going to consider you uneducated.

Oh and ...


[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 11:23 PM. Reason : You libs never tire when it comes to slanderous personal attacks.]

9/27/2011 11:04:32 PM

that's pretty uneducated of you

9/27/2011 11:08:01 PM

Nah, I think it's pretty responsible of me to ignore the trolls.

[Edited on September 27, 2011 at 11:17 PM. Reason : ]

9/27/2011 11:08:39 PM

Why is Cain's 9-9-9 plan and flat tax a bad idea?

capitals gains aren't taxed. What does this mean in real-world terms? The top 1% of tax payers pay substantially LESS taxes than the other 99% of us.

If income is taxed at 9% and consumption is taxed at 9%, that's effectively 18% federal tax rate on 90% of us (which is a tax increase for 80% of us), and from ~17% --> ~2% tax rate for the top 10% (actually DECREASING as you increase in income).

Not only is this policy regressive, it's extremely regressive.

If you think it's fair for 90% of Americans to pay ~18%, but the richest 10% of Americans to pay less than this, then by all means, vote for Cain.

If you understand mathematics, and realize this is a senseless plan, look at the other candidates.

The current, broken system:
(note: Cain's plan would make this far worse)


The red bars are what would NOT be taxed AT ALL under Cain's plan:


This is another way to visualize the previous graph but shows changes throughout history, the dark areas will NOT be taxed under Cain's plan:
http://visualecon.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/income_cap_gains_top_01.gif
(too big to inline)

How much Americans save. The most we've ever saved was in 1944, ideally we should be back at 1979 levels. Considering Cain wants to raise our taxes, this would make saving far more difficult for all but the wealthiest Americans.


If you love giving more of your money to the federal government, vote for Herman Cain. If you want to keep more of your own money, pick someone else. It's high-school level math peoples.

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 12:17 AM. Reason : ]

9/28/2011 12:16:39 AM

9-9-9 is a straight up rip-off from the Dominos 5-5-5 deal. No wonder Godfathers is only sold in shitty gas stations.

9/28/2011 2:01:31 AM

Let the hate flow through you

9/28/2011 7:36:18 AM

Quote :

"If all you have to offer is untrue hyperbolic rhetoric, I'm going to consider you uneducated HERMAN CAIN."

9/28/2011 9:00:48 AM

to all you tax debating moron's - why don't you tell me how fair tax is a bad idea?


(other than a lot of people at the IRS needing to find themselves new jobs or new ways to use their scrupulous money counting talents)

[Edited on September 28, 2011 at 9:21 AM. Reason : w]

9/28/2011 9:19:11 AM