I enjoyed the video and the thread

cheers all around

10/18/2011 1:18:47 PM

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""Third, I can't stress this enough, if you see someone beating the shit out of someone else, STOP THEM YOURSELF, instead of screaming. Better to catch a rod to the arm and be a hero than to get it on video and technically be an accessory to the crime.""

This is utterly absurd. How could you possibly think a bystander is an accessory to the crime by not acting. There's no duty to act to save someone else (unless a special relationship exists, but that's not this case). There's no duty to put yourself in danger for someone else. If some crazy dude is swinging a metal rod around, I'm not jumping in to save 2 strangers, or I'd be sitting there with a cracked skull and broken bones too, and what good does that do?

10/18/2011 1:22:21 PM

I bet they won't do it again.

10/18/2011 1:23:33 PM

it's rare to find such consensus on an issue on TWW

hopefully the jury sees things the same way

10/18/2011 1:23:58 PM

^^^correct.

in many cases you can be charged with a crime if you use force to break up a fight between two other people where you have insufficient knowledge of the situation.

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM. Reason : ^]

10/18/2011 1:25:46 PM

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"I bet they won't do it again."

You'd think that but I wouldn't be surprised to see these two clowns on the news again.

10/18/2011 1:31:23 PM

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"Third, I can't stress this enough, if you see someone beating the shit out of someone else, STOP THEM YOURSELF, instead of screaming. Better to catch a rod to the arm and be a hero than to get it on video and technically be an accessory to the crime."

You, sir, are an idiot.

10/18/2011 1:52:06 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM. Reason : i don't believe you can be found guilty in NC for failure to act]

10/18/2011 1:57:14 PM

Hero = person who halts a man from defending himself against TWO clearly violent aggressors?


And risk appearing as an aggressor yourself? Cost-benefit analysis says "No thank you".

10/18/2011 1:58:53 PM

^^that has nothing to do with stepping into a violent situation

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 2:01 PM. Reason : ^]

10/18/2011 2:00:54 PM

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"i don't believe you can be found guilty in NC for failure to act "

You absolutely can't be found guilty for failure to act (like I stated above). The only conceivable way a person can be compelled to act is if there was some kind of relationship (a father has to protect his child if possible, a lifeguard has to attempt to protect a drowning swimmer, and someone who causes the injury cannot leave the victim without helping). Alternatively, you can be compelled to act if you were a member of the conspiracy, and did nothing to stop it.

However, none of those situations apply here. THERE IS NO DUTY TO ACT IN NORTH CAROLINA, whether it's under tort law, or criminal law. And the Good Samaritan law you quoted, also doesn't apply in all situations here. If you start to help someone, and you screw it up, you could be liable. If you start to help someone, and then negligently stop, you could be liable.

End result, don't butt in. Save your own ass.

10/18/2011 2:13:08 PM

^those laws are for injured/ill persons. they are not about breaking up fights/stopping violence/etc.

two completely different things

10/18/2011 3:01:44 PM

^That was my point. The good samaritan laws have nothing to do with stopping a crime in action, but with negligence, and so isn't even relevant to this thread. Two different realms of law. My bottom line is that there's no duty to act in either realm, and you're best off to not get involved, from a legal perspective.

10/18/2011 3:04:00 PM

i would never intervene when one person has an extremely dangerous weapon

10/18/2011 3:06:23 PM

^^sorry... somehow missed the 2nd paragraph

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 3:06 PM. Reason : ^]

10/18/2011 3:06:25 PM

If someone is firing a gun into a crowd everyone is required to jump in front of the bullets and/or stop the gunman

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 3:30 PM. Reason : . ]

10/18/2011 3:30:16 PM

I would intervene by taking the rod from him by force if necessary...




































































So I could beat those wimmenz for a while myself.

10/18/2011 5:09:40 PM

all i could think of while watching

10/18/2011 5:12:27 PM

If I were there all I would be able to think of would be Youtube/TWW.

10/18/2011 5:42:49 PM

I'm glad those bitches got what they deserved. Hope the McD's guy gets the charges dropped.

10/18/2011 6:01:32 PM

I've saved several people's lives not because I am 'super awesome' but because I hold myself responsible for others' well being if it is in fact within my ability.
People that disagree with my sentiments are why the planes were taken over by terrorists with simple box cutters on 911...I'm not here to judge, we all make our own choices in life. Good men failing to act is a terrible thing.
No, there's no law saying you must act proactively to save someone, but that employee in particular was out of control and once the two women were down he kept at it with a gleam in his eye and should be charged with a crime - he went beyond self defense and methodically continued inflicting damage against people he had just rendered helpless...simple assault doesn't justify those two women...someone's sister, mother, daughter, girlfriend, etc. getting bludgeoned to the point it went to.

10/18/2011 6:27:15 PM

I feel these 2 ladies underestimated fucking with someone who's pulled hard time.

I can imagine him giving a beat down like that on D block, or getting one.

10/18/2011 6:31:25 PM

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"someone's.... daughter"

I.E. - someone who failed them somewhere along the lines in terms of instilling them with a sense of duty.

Because it is certainly a tragedy for family members to hear their kin was not properly raised to the standards of society, and thus faced the consequences for their outlandish behavior later on down the line.

Perhaps had these puppies been spanked earlier on, behavior like this would have never been seen. But I suppose "nipping it in the bud" would require too much responsibility for one to undertake.

10/18/2011 6:39:31 PM

wat

10/18/2011 6:43:05 PM

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"People that disagree with my sentiments are why the planes were taken over by terrorists with simple box cutters on 911..."

Not to mention

1) The hijackers told the passengers they were going back to the airport and that everything was going to be okay if they didn't do anything.

2) The hijackers told the passengers there was a bomb on the plane.

3) Prior to 9/11, people were told to cooperate with terrorists and avoid being an opportunistic hero for fear of messing up and killing everyone.

10/18/2011 6:45:11 PM

wat wat


[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 6:46 PM. Reason : ^^ ]

10/18/2011 6:45:30 PM

triflin bitches always tryin to keep a brotha down. Man was trying to do his job and check the money and they give him attitude for it. Ridiculous

10/18/2011 6:49:46 PM

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"People that disagree with my sentiments are why the planes were taken over by terrorists with simple box cutters on 911...I'm not here to judge, we all make our own choices in life. Good men failing to act is a terrible thing."

No. I've stopped violent situations by means of violence a few times myself, but I wouldn't have dOne anything here, because I don't think he did anything wrong. They had it coming, and he responded pretty appropriately.

10/18/2011 7:15:10 PM

ibXSMP compares eating at McDonald's to the Holocaust

10/18/2011 7:18:50 PM

now that you mention it
nah, i got nothin

10/18/2011 7:21:39 PM

they should have given the women their quarterpounders with cheese, and let the man get back to work.

10/18/2011 7:23:37 PM

+1 for the good guys. As mad as I've been after seeing all of the other "fast food brawl" videos, this is a breath of fresh air. Nice to see the scumbags actually get a metal rod upside the head for a change.

10/18/2011 7:30:55 PM

they should lock all three of them up.

10/18/2011 7:34:34 PM

we have an ex con who served his time and debt to society, and then got out and got a regular job. He was just punchin' the clock trying to support himself, pay taxes, and maybe make a little fun money for Halloween and Christmas.

NO ONE should fault him for fighting back after he got slapped or bringing the hammer when they pursued him into the kitchen.

10/18/2011 7:40:17 PM

yeah, i feel bad for the cashier, not for the two dumb bitches who deserved what they got and more

10/18/2011 7:54:33 PM

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"No, there's no law saying you must act proactively to save someone, but that employee in particular was out of control and once the two women were down he kept at it with a gleam in his eye and should be charged with a crime - he went beyond self defense and methodically continued inflicting damage against people he had just rendered helpless...simple assault doesn't justify those two women...someone's sister, mother, daughter, girlfriend, etc. getting bludgeoned to the point it went to."

My god are you a lawyer? With a gleam in his eye? You could tell that from the crappy quality video? I do agree he went somewhat beyond self defense but bitches shouldn't be stepping behind the counter.

10/18/2011 8:25:10 PM

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"They had it coming, and he responded pretty appropriately."

10/18/2011 8:45:13 PM

you come at the king, you best not miss.

10/18/2011 8:47:27 PM

"I'll be forced to thrash you

10/18/2011 9:04:42 PM

The price is wrong...

10/18/2011 9:05:37 PM

I wonder when his trial will begin.

10/18/2011 9:12:26 PM

you diseased rhinocerous pizzle

10/18/2011 9:17:55 PM

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"So-called McHero Rayon McIntosh -- busted in the violent, caught-on-video beat-down of two women customers who'd jumped the counter at his West Village McDonalds -- may have a self-defense case, but that'll be up for a jury to decide, a judge ruled today in ordering he remain held in lieu of $40,000 bail. The decision, by Manhattan Criminal Court Justice Gerald Lebovitz, followed a court hearing in which prosecutors argued successfully that video and eyewitness accounts support felony assault charges against the alleged fast food fiend. "The defendant had no reason to strike [customer Denise Darbeau, 24, of Queens] on the back when she was face down," argued assistant district attorney Jamie Hickey Mendoza. "That action by the defendant was not reasonable," he said, noting that Darbeau suffered a skull fracture. McIntosh sat glumly at the defense table as his defense lawyer, Theodore Herlich, countered that his client acted reasonably, out of concern for Darbeau and the second woman, Rachel Edwards, 24, of Brooklyn. "Were they going to take grease from the French frying machine and throw it in the defendant's face?" Herlich asked the judge. "Who knows what they were going to do." The angry women hurdled the counter after a dispute over another cashier insisting on scrutinizing, and ultimately accepting, a $50 bill, one eyewitness told the judge during an hour-long hearing on whether McIntosh could be held despite prosecutors not yet winning a grand jury indictment in the case. Cell phone video of the brutal beat-down went viral on YouTube, and prompted several Facebook cyber-support pages for McIntosh."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/judge_says_defense_jury_decide_self_ELndkaTllT8oTwmEM3GHXM#ixzz1bBbDqaID


Rayon McIntosh, Age 31

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 9:20 PM. Reason : Pic]

10/18/2011 9:18:06 PM

hopefully the jury will see that this guy actually was trying to get his life back together by going in to the work force...

10/18/2011 9:42:27 PM

I'd love to hear an interview with these two woman and hear them try to justify their actions that led to the beat down. I'm sure that would either be comedy gold or just make me go

10/18/2011 9:44:54 PM

^^That's good and all, but that doesn't excuse violent, criminal behavior.

The reason the jury should acquit him is because he didn't do anything wrong.

10/18/2011 9:47:32 PM

^ x6...Coming to America reference has me LOLing.

McDowell's, we got the Big Mic, they got the Big Mac

10/18/2011 9:49:26 PM

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"I'm glad those bitches got what they deserved. Hope the McD's guy gets the charges dropped."

I hope he gets a promotion. From fry cook to cashier. He knows how to keep it real.

10/18/2011 9:59:56 PM

https://www.facebook.com/SupportRayon

10/18/2011 10:11:25 PM

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"To reiterate: be polite, but tell Ms. Paulino that you're angry about Rayon being fired for defending himself. paulinofoodsmcd@yahoo.com That is Mrs paulino email address. She will see this. But I ask you write to her at that email address you are professional with her. It does no good to cuss at her."

10/18/2011 10:12:48 PM