I really think this young lady was doomed to get beatings from him no matter what she did. He was just looking for any excuse to beat her. Downloading games and music is worth a beating?

11/2/2011 12:30:08 AM

^^ prob not, I dont really like spanking to begin with. I guess it would depend on the individual kid's condition.

I make my daughter stand in the corner. She hates that worse than spanking, anyway. I would prob spank her if I felt like I needed to make an extreme impression on her, prob for her safety or something. She is very, very strong willed, like someone else I know well ...occasionally I have to pop her on the butt to make her stand in the corner. It's prob not even hard enough to hurt even a 5-year old...it's more just to get her attention and show her that she shouldn't keep pushing it. Even that's unusual, though. I pretty much don't even raise my voice at all. Usually talking to her quietly but seriously does the job, and if not, turning it up to an intense, stern tone is generally all that's needed.

She behaves better for me than she does for her harsh, overreacting,shrieking mother.

11/2/2011 12:30:18 AM

many carrats....

My grandmother was born in 1919. She was old school, believed in spanking, and spent 30+ years as a high school teacher. She would have been up in arms over something like this.

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 12:32 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 12:30:43 AM

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"I was going to stay out of this, but how the fuck can hitting a child with a BELT ever count as "calm"??"

What do you mean? It's a belt, not a baseball bat.

11/2/2011 12:32:27 AM

Why wouldn't you use your hand?

11/2/2011 12:33:17 AM

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"Whatever. I got hit so much harder than that growing up that a beating like that wouldn't be in my top 50. "

With that being said there was never a time that I didn't fully deserve exactly what I got

I was also terrible about laughing at my mom while she beat me, which was like fuel to the fire

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 12:34 AM. Reason : she]

11/2/2011 12:33:42 AM

I laughed at my mom when she threw a spoon at me when I was a teenager. She was stirring something on the stove and it ended up splattered all over her wallpaper. I can't remember what I said, but I'm sure it merited having a spoon hurled at me.

That being said, if someone came at me with a belt by the time I was 16, they would have had a full scale all out battle on their hands. I really feel sorry for this girl, to be grown like that and still not even able to begin to defend herself against being beaten. What an ogre her father must have been her whole life.

11/2/2011 12:41:12 AM

Its a BELT - designed to sting but not leave any permanent or serious damage

Its not like he was using a bat or anything

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 1:41 AM. Reason : oh.. weird. I just read that Duke mentioned it being a belt vs a bat too.]

11/2/2011 1:40:27 AM

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"She behaves better for me than she does for her harsh, overreacting,shrieking mother. "

he threatens to take her on an "EXTREEEEEEME!!!$%!$%!#$!!!!" car ride if she doesnt behave

11/2/2011 1:49:38 AM

That's not abuse... that's called punishment for breaking the law and not obeying a direct command when your dad is a judge.

Had my fair share of beltings and I turned out fine.

11/2/2011 1:59:39 AM

^uh... no...no you did not turn out fine.

11/2/2011 2:04:55 AM

There's a special place in hell for this faggot.

Imagine the number of family law cases he presided over where he took kids away from their parents for less abuse than this. It would be interesting to read court transcripts from most of his cases.

It's likely that someone will enact vigilante justice against him. May the beating he receives from them be just as terrifying and painful as it was for his daughter.

Anything more than a swat on the butt for a kid that is 5 or younger is going overboard. They aren't going to understand.

For kids that 6-7 up to 10, a spanking might be appropriate, but only if you use this form of discipline effectively. How many parents spank their kids once a week, but never more than that? Probably most of them. It doesn't take the kid long to figure out that they can endure 2-3 minutes of pain from 10 swats on the ass. That makes the week of going bonkers worth it.

For discipline spanking to be effective, it must constantly be a threat. Say you're out eating dinner, and you're kid starts mouthing off and not listening to you. Warn them. If it continues, warn them that if it happens again that you're taking them to the bathroom for a spanking. If it continues, take them to the bathroom and spank them. While in the bathroom, tell them that if it happens again that you'll be taking them right back to the bathroom for another spanking. Only take them back to the table once they have composed themselves. If the behavior continues, take them back to the bathroom immediately. It shouldn't take more than 2 trips to the bathroom to correct their behavior. If the kid fears a spanking, your threats of a spanking will be enough to enact a change in their behavior. If you reach the point that you actually have to spank your child then your child isn't very disciplined, which is more of an indictment on you as a parent than on the child as a problem.

For kids over 10, taking away their favorite thing is much more devastating than spanking them. If you're still spanking your kid once they reach high school, prepare for them to hate you forever, especially if you do it in front of their friends. By the time they're 16+, prepare for a fight. If it's in front of their friends, prepare to lose.

I'm a college graduate . My parents didn't spank me. In fact, they never really cared all that much about what I was doing. They cared about me, but they didn't make me change the channel when an R-rated movie came on because I might see a pair of tits, or get mad when I would come home after dark. I was doing things at 11-12 that most parents don't let their kids do until they're 16. By the time I was 14, I might as well have been 18. It's what you teach your children, not how you discipline them, that determines how they turn out.

How fucking difficult would it have been for this abusive judge to simply keep his daughter off of the Internet? You can't tell from the video, but I'd bet all of my lunch money that she used the Internet so frequently because her parents wanted her out of sight and out of mind.

11/2/2011 2:51:18 AM

i would never even treat a fucking bug like that (i'm a softy). much less a dog. much less a human being. much less my own fucking daughter. what a scumbag piece of shit. by posting this on youtube, she sold out her dad as she should have.

he's not even that mad at the beginning of the video. as he got into the beating, he started getting off on it. it was never about what she did, it was about power.

and fuck anybody who thinks the mom deserves any sympathy. she belongs in jail too.

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 3:04 AM. Reason : ]

11/2/2011 2:58:43 AM

good thing she didn't put a pillow in her pants like I tried once

it makes it so much worse

11/2/2011 6:47:42 AM

A beating shows that he loves and cares about her enough in the first place. Although I never really did anything to warrant a severe beating, my parents pretty much just ignored me most of my childhood and shipped me away for school.

11/2/2011 7:05:49 AM

Closet Child Abusers ITT

11/2/2011 7:12:04 AM

Haven't watched the video, but some people deserve a beating. How many times have you seen on a show like 16 and Pregnant or Locked Up a teenager completely out of control and a danger to themselves or others? Granted the parents shouldn't have been so shitty 15 years earlier, but I do feel like there are instances when corporal punishment is the only way to get through to a kid.

11/2/2011 8:00:59 AM

I think we can all agree that she would have been better off not breaking the law and illegally downloading music and movies.

11/2/2011 8:25:36 AM

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"Haven't watched the video, but some people deserve a beating."

See if you want to make that comment after you've watched the video. And does a girl with cerebral palsy ever "deserve a beating" as you say?

11/2/2011 8:51:31 AM

So kids and adults with handicaps are never to be disciplined? Is that your call to make, being someone who I'd imagine doesn't have any disabled children?

11/2/2011 8:54:37 AM

THAT was not discipline. Discipline would have been taking away the computer, not even putting it in a teenagers bedroom. Discipline is not terrorizing a teenage girl until she's submissive and broken.

11/2/2011 8:56:11 AM

There's a difference between being disciplined and "deserves a beating." Discipline should never be a beating, in my opinion. I am not against spanking (and I was spanked pretty often), but I don't think beating has a place in discipline. I think that crosses the line. And I do think you have to take into consideration cognitive and physical disabilities when deciding what constitutes a punishment. What purpose does a beating serve?

11/2/2011 8:56:55 AM

Obviously there are lots of issues going on in this video and people are trying to compares apples and oranges. First, I don't think there's any way you can defend his actions. The physical abuse was pretty harsh. He was pretty much whipping her all over her lower body. The verbal abuse was just as bad. This wasn't a a calm, bend over your lap, get a nice couple whacks on your ass, type of spanking. This was straight up physical abuse. As has already been mentioned, she had cerebral palsy. I don't think that type of abuse should be allowed on any kid, but that makes it even worse. I might get shit for this...but she is also a girl...and an older one on that. You might be able to spank a small girl (noticed I said "spank", not "continuously beat with a belt"), but I think if you're going to go the route of physical discipline, you have to take it lighter on girls. And at the age of that girl, you have to find a different method than physical discipline. Time to start using common sense as a parent.

To add to this:

I whipped pretty bad as a kid with a belt. I'm sure I deserved it every time. It worked...I feared that belt. I also grew up (as I'm sure many of us here did), where kids got a pretty bad paddling by the teachers in elementary school when they acted up. Society's view on this has obviously changed, because teachers would get fired for that shit these days. Not saying I agree with it (I kinda do), but kids are doing whatever the fuck they want in school these days and have no fear...I do think the threat of the paddle would help that a little bit.

I'm all for spanking a small child when they are acting up and in the right context, but I don't ever intend on breaking out the belt like my dad use to.

11/2/2011 8:57:08 AM

What does Cerebral Palsy have to do with the punishment she received being over the top or not?

CP is a motor disease... The girl has difficulty walking, not understanding right from wrong... especially at 16.

11/2/2011 9:06:44 AM

Obviously it's different than someone who can't understand right from wrong...

But I look at it from a physical standpoint. I would physically discipline a girl different than I would a boy. Same goes for someone who already has physical disabilities. There are just different standards. And she has difficulty walking and he just beat the shit out of her legs.

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 9:17 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 9:16:27 AM

Only article I've seen actually published on this yet, and not even from the US: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056582/Family-law-judge-brutally-beats-16-year-old-disabled-daughter-belt-playing-games.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

11/2/2011 9:28:52 AM

Actually, I've already mentioned that the type of CP that she has does have a cognitive component. Not only would she have difficulty controlling her body, she would have difficulty with visual and auditory processing. Intellectually, it would take more time and effort for her to put together verbal commands. To me, that makes the beating and the screaming worse.

11/2/2011 9:33:35 AM

I never got spanked, I don't understand why anyone would ever hit a child for any reason. It's cool that your parents hit you with belts and guitars and you turned out fine, but that is some fucked up shit to me.

I've seen some awful stuff on the internet, but this is the worst.

11/2/2011 9:34:32 AM

11/2/2011 9:36:50 AM

Why are all these liberals wanting to judge how a father disciplines his daughter for breaking the law? Hitting someone with a belt is not a beating. He was well within his rights as a father, and in the eyes of the law. He may have taken it even more personally that he is an upholder of the law and his own daughter decides to break the law in his household. I can imagine I'd be equally angry.

The fact that she has a physical disability is unrelated.

I can't help but laugh about people talking about a "special place in hell" for this guy. You do realize he is part of the very small percent of fathers who actually CARE about their children, right? I know its hard to believe - most people here growing up in normal healthy households - but a lot of people in the US have parents that just don't care what their kids do. Bring home all Fs? Get arrested at 14? Get pregnant at 13? No big deal. At least this father takes an interest in his daughter's life and is trying to teach her valuable life lessons that very well could have changed her future for the better. Instead, a video was made to feed the masses of people wanting to regulate family discipline and make snap judgments based on little or inaccurate information.

11/2/2011 9:37:44 AM

On the other hand, he did say some rather troubling things. Like "turn over or I'll hit you in the face." As much as I can understand corporal punishment, this guy went a little bit overboard.

11/2/2011 9:40:55 AM

Twenty lashes with the belt, a verbal barrage filled with threats and cursing for downloading dorky crap on the computer? I'd hate to see what he would do if she came home past curfew or brought home an F.

That's not taking a normal healthy interest in your child. That's being a bully.

11/2/2011 9:45:22 AM

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"you know when your kids are sorry for what they did, like when she started bawling after getting hit the first 4-5 times... you dont keep going"

I'm curious how many of you would actually change your point of view on this if he had done that... I totally agree that he crossed the line here and took it way too far, but spanking in general is a perfectly OK form of punishment in my mind. I think it should only be done by the parents, and I do agree with the open hand over inanimate object idea, but I don't think a mother or father disciplining their child in their own home a bad thing at all (but they need to keep a level head, not do it out of anger, and respect limits).

Also, it looks like her CP is not that aggressively debilitating (she did not go into a seizure, and she seemed to be perfectly in control of her own body), and she obviously had the whereabouts to make this video, so it is not a case of "mentally retardation" abuse IMO, so quit acting like he pulled her out of a mobile chair and beat her with her own cane, while she had no clue what was going on. Again, I am not trying to justify his actions, because regardless of circumstance, he went too far, but you people are judge and jurying this guy.


In summary, dude definitely took it too far, but I still think the majority of you are aiding in the pussification of America, which really deserves its own thread entirely

11/2/2011 9:46:25 AM

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"I'd hate to see what he would do if she came home past curfew or brought home an F."

But neither of those are breaking the law in a judge's house. You gotta admit that if you were a judge and a family member knowingly broke the law (maybe the 1st time, maybe the 10th time) - you'd be pretty pissed.

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"I still think the majority of you are aiding in the pussification of America"

Definitely

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 9:48:04 AM

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"or downloading dorky crap on the computer?"

Must be his backwards ways.

11/2/2011 9:50:42 AM

His job isn't to enforce the law, shithead. If it were about the legality of what she was doing, call the cops! Due process!

11/2/2011 9:51:14 AM

Or take away her computer...

11/2/2011 9:51:47 AM

Seriously, he could just take away the computer and that would eliminate the need for the physicality as well as teach her a lesson that her actions have consequences.

11/2/2011 9:57:51 AM

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"You gotta admit that if you were a judge and a family member knowingly broke the law (maybe the 1st time, maybe the 10th time) - you'd be pretty pissed."

And being a judge means that you are not supposed to allow emotion to rule you when interpreting and applying the law. Being a judge also means that you're supposed to ensure that the punishment fits the crime. Much like being a parent.

I actually know three judges because my FIL practices law, my former step-father is a US Marshall, and I went to HS with someone who is now a magistrate judge. The one thing that they all have in common is a level head, a sense of humor about things, and a tendency to not sweat the small stuff. It's almost incomprehensible to see either of them behaving in such a way.

11/2/2011 9:59:20 AM

^ and fortunately, you probably will never see ANY of them disciplining their children for you to make judgments about

11/2/2011 10:01:23 AM

No, but I do get to see one obsessively post pictures and make comments about how cute his cats are on a daily basis.



[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 10:03:43 AM

In my opinion what he said was worse than what he actually did. She definitely exacerbated the situation, and I think he has some anger management issues. He should not have been flipping the fuck out like that. I got spanked multiple times in my childhood. Usually with a hand on a bare ass, but once with a belt and once or twice with a wooden spoon. My dad could lose it to some extent, but it never got to that level, thank God, as him getting so upset was what scared me more than the spanking.

I personally don't like the belt or other objects, but I definitely have had to spank both of my sons before. I have some temper too (not as bad a Dad and not NEARLY as bad as this) and so I try to be cool in a situation like that, but my kids know that if they mess up bad they can get a spanking. I usually try and use other punishment first, like taking away games, privileges, etc. but as a last resort I do spank sometimes. I don't like having to do it though, and afterwards I stay with them and make sure they understand that I am only doing it because I want what is best for them and that I love them, even if I have to do something like spanking. I certainly don't want them to be scared of me, but understand that there are negative consequences for misbehavior, up to the point of spanking. But wow, I hope I NEVER pull some shit like that, and I hope my wife would stop me, instead of aiding and abetting. I usually do a spank or two on their shorts and that is enough to get the point across. Not to this level! In his case I would either lock the PC down like Fort Knox (which he likely doesn't know how to do) or simply take it away and put it in a public room that can be easily monitored.

11/2/2011 10:12:21 AM

If there are any parents out there who feel the need to "wear that ass out," I recommend actually wearing that ass out. Wake them up at five o'clock in the morning and take them to the track for a little PT. After school, they can get started repainting the bathroom or digging up the front beds for some seasonal plantings. Then they can wrap up their homework before they start helping you cook dinner.

Of course, this means you actually have to spend time with them and teach them things. But the gains in character and a sense of industry are worth it. And, if you spend time with them and guide them, they'll eventually be less annoying/obnoxious to be around, and isn't that what we all want?!?!

11/2/2011 10:15:02 AM

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"I can't help but laugh about people talking about a "special place in hell" for this guy. You do realize he is part of the very small percent of fathers who actually CARE about their children, right?"

If, after watching that video clip, you took his actions as an example of "caring" for his daughter...then you, sir, are a complete fucking retard.

11/2/2011 10:16:56 AM

^^I agree with this. This is what we did, not always as punishment, but because we had chores. But you better bet that if we screwed up we would be picking up dog poo out of the back yard, and then mowing it. I don't argue that there isn't a place for a spanking within reason, but most of the time there's a more effective way of issuing a punishment.

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM. Reason : ^]

11/2/2011 10:19:10 AM

^^ i love your classy name calling, thats a pattern with you

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 10:20:28 AM

I have a friend whose husband found out their teenager smoked pot and he got that kid's ass out of bed early every morning over the summer to run laps as punishment. Way more effective punishment for a teenager than a belt.

11/2/2011 10:22:30 AM

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"If there are any parents out there who feel the need to "wear that ass out," I recommend actually wearing that ass out. Wake them up at five o'clock in the morning and take them to the track for a little PT. After school, they can get started repainting the bathroom or digging up the front beds for some seasonal plantings. Then they can wrap up their homework before they start helping you cook dinner. Of course, this means you actually have to spend time with them and teach them things. But the gains in character and a sense of industry are worth it. And, if you spend time with them and guide them, they'll eventually be less annoying/obnoxious to be around, and isn't that what we all want?!?!"

Yeah too bad most parents aren't willing to do things like that these days.

I actually had a really awkward situation involving my boss and her son the other day. She had made offhand comments to me in the past about her kid having "severe" ADHD. Well I finally met the kid and it's not that he has ADHD, it's that his parents let him do whatever the fuck he wants. I was quite shocked at what he was able to get away with in just the hour I was around him. I wonder at what point as a parent do you say enough is enough?

11/2/2011 10:26:06 AM

Getting beat with a belt (or a switch) was standard operating procedure when I was a kid. Everyone once in awhile we'd get threatened with an extension cord (ok that wasn't cool).

Taking away the computer would've been a better, more effective punishment. What that guy did was ridiculous.

11/2/2011 10:29:00 AM

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"i love your classy name calling, thats a pattern with you"

Normally I name-call just to mess around. This time it was pretty accurate.

11/2/2011 10:31:35 AM