^^^ read what I said dipshit. Did I at all say that? No. I said citing the ancient Egyptians as reason to use pot for medicinal purposes is a dumb fucking argument to make, especially when there are 1000000000000x better reasons.

As to this thread. Stop using medicinal reasons for legalizing marijuana. In fact, legalizing it will do nothing to accomplish your hidden agenda of legalizing it for recreational use. I'm against legalizing it for medicinal use but for legalizing it for recreational use. Why? Legalizing it for medicinal use still makes it inaccessible for recreational use, and only throws it in the same class of drugs as prescription drugs. It's not a victory. Once when it's classified as a prescription drug, the chances of it being allowed for purchase for recreational use greatly diminishes. However, if it's allows for recreational use, doctors can still use it for therapy or anything else.

2/11/2012 4:42:54 PM

There is no hidden side agenda you dumb fuck, I want to stop taking pain meds and get on a muscle relaxer/THC regimen with probably 1/4 the side effects. Yes I smoked before chronic pain, however that has nothing to do with following medicinal marijuana laws in the US and hoping for a program close enough by NC (TN being the best bet right now).

Once again though, people are in here to argue their own view of legalizing marijuana in general when this thread is about US laws being changed or made about medicinal marijuana. If yall want to make a Legalize It thread, then by all means go ahead.

If I wanted to talk about marijuana being legalized in general then why have I posted zero info on the subject in this thread and never said a word about it? I wouldn't oppose it, but I know the only way medical patients who need this medicine and are going to get it anytime soon is through medicinal legalization. Right now those patients include me, so I guess that is my secret agenda?

Quote :

"morphine actually relieves pain."

Number one reason marijuana is prescribed is chronic pain...

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20100830/marijuana-relieves-chronic-pain-research-show

http://www.everydayhealth.com/pain-management/medical-marijuana-for-chronic-pain.aspx

http://backandneck.about.com/od/chronicpainconditions/i/medmar.htm


do you need more?

2/12/2012 10:30:20 AM

Morphine is a pretty terrible drug for long-term pain management. My mother has been on it for years for chronic back pain caused by botched back surgery. It fucks up your organs and you have to be periodically reset (go through supervised cold turkey withdrawal) because of the tolerance level your body builds. My parents have considered moving to Colorado or Oregon just so she could get a marijuana prescription. Personally I'd prefer NC legalize medical marijuana so I don't have to travel anywhere for holidays lol.

2/12/2012 10:35:20 AM

^^ Why legalize marijuana when you should be fighting for THC pills? What do you think would happen if pot was made legal medicinally nationwide? The prescription drug companies would jump on it in a heartbeat, jack the price up 10 fold and jerk their dicks off to the bank.

http://current.com/groups/politics/89212783_medical-marijuana-cant-smoke-it-but-fda-approved-scientifically-regulated-thc.htm

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM. Reason : They already have what you want. Now go get it and stfu.]

2/12/2012 10:46:54 AM

Because if marijuana itself is legal you can grow your own plants and maintain your supply that way. THC pills you're having to go through the insurance companies and big pharma.

2/12/2012 10:49:23 AM

^ You mean like any other drug for practically anything else? Do you not have insurance?

2/12/2012 10:50:40 AM

I'm just giving you a reason cited for why the push is for legalization of the plants not the pills. Many of the people wanting legalization are skeptical of the medical industry and want an alternative to having to go to a pharmacy for pain relief.

There's also arguments that the efficacy of the pills is not as good as what you get from the plants. And for patients that have difficulty with nausea as a result of their illness, vaporizers allow them to get the THC in their system while a pill will oftentimes just be puked back up.

2/12/2012 10:58:08 AM

^ It's a poor argument. Doctors don't prescribe opium in place of morphine. To me, no respectable doctor would prescribe pot when there is a pill that will accomplish the same thing without the harm done to your body caused by smoking marijuana. And skepticism is a poor reason too. Is there any proof that the medical industry being involved in the production of marinol is harmful, or is it just a general dislike that causes irrational arguments to be made.

As for the efficacy of the pills, marinol can also be given as an inhaler or as a patch. And what effect are you looking for? Getting "high" or helping to relieve nausea and help with apatite?

From the medical standpoint, you guys have what you want. Unfortunately, it has not been approved as a valid form of pain relief. Research is being done, but so far, there is no real results that I'm aware of (I read the little article that was posted here. Get out of here with that bullshit of a 21 person study where they rotated the different drugs to people and everyone got to use all dosages while also being allowed to take their current drugs. If this is where science is headed, we're fucked). So push to get the research done and then stfu.

2/12/2012 11:16:50 AM

Quote :

"LEGALIZE IT"

2/12/2012 12:40:00 PM

Nah i'd rather my congressmen focus on deregulation and destroying the banking system, but you guys can feel free to enjoy your distraction

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

2/12/2012 12:41:54 PM

we don't do crack. crack is whack

2/12/2012 12:46:46 PM

There is no THC pill and do you realize how long it takes to go through the process of first of all creating it and then all the testing and FDA BS. Yes that would be the ideal med, but right now we have an immediate access to the medicine and that is how it is being distributed to patients based on the VOTERS. Plus Big Pharma does not want any THC based medicine when they have people hooked on opiate based meds and these people have their dosage raised every time their tolerance raises.

A pill based on THC is 1. not physically addictive and 2. has minor side effects compared to opiates (opiate side effects include: nausea, constipation, amnesia, withdrawal if dose is altered at all, sweating, chills, itching, etc)

1 & 2 leads to Big Pharma being able to make more medicine to treat the problems of the first medicine (Suboxone, Methadone, etc). This cycle continues for millions of pain patients and Big Pharma gets more and more money to lobby against Medicinal Marijuana at the most basic form of the drug. If they are lobbying against marijuana introduction in general do you really think they are going to sink billions in R&D to make a THC pill?


BTW, marinol is not THC (I know you didn't say it was) and only has one effect, appetite. This took lots and lots of lobbying for cancer patients to get an appetite stimulant based on marijuana to be made.





[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : _]

2/12/2012 1:34:38 PM

^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sativex

Not approved in the US yet. It's currently in the process though. It was specifically developed to help relieve pain in MS patients. It honestly doesn't look to be very effective (lowering the pain by 1.2 on a 1-10 scale of pain, compared to 0.6 by a placebo).

2/12/2012 3:17:14 PM

cool, at least the process has started somewhere in the world.

if I have to live with chronic pain, I will move states and countries if I have to in order to improve my quality of life.




has anyone noticed Netflix added A NORML Life to their list of movies?




[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM. Reason : _]

2/12/2012 7:19:52 PM

2/12/2012 7:52:02 PM

fail

2/12/2012 8:32:17 PM

A few interesting stories:

A NC Medicinal Law: http://norml.org/news/2012/02/17/two-marijuana-bills-pending-in-north-carolina-legislature

Quote :

" Two Marijuana Bills Pending in North Carolina Legislature Legislation that seeks to legalize the physician-supervised use of medical marijuana has been introduced in the North Carolina legislature. House Bill 577 amends state law to "authorize an individual to use marijuana for medical purposes as directed by a physician." HB 577 would allow patients both the ability to cultivate their own cannabis at home or to purchase it at state licensed distribution centers. This proposal remains pending before the House Committee on Rules, Calendar, and Operations and has yet to be assigned a hearing. Sixteen states Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington and the District of Columbia have enacted laws protecting medical marijuana patients from state prosecution. There is no legitimate reason why North Carolina's patients should not enjoy these same legal protections. You can track the progress of this bill and view more information about HB 577 here. Please urge your member of the House to support this legislation by visiting NORML's 'Take Action' Center here: http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=39941501 House Bill 324, an act to reclassify the possession of minor amounts of marijuana from a criminal misdemeanor to an infraction, remains pending before House lawmakers. Originally filed last year, the measure remains pending before the House Committee on Rules in the 2012 legislative session. House Bill 324 would amend state law so that the possession of up to one ounce of marijuana would become a non-criminal infraction, punishable by a fine and no criminal record. You can read the full text of the bill here. Please take time today to contact your House member and urge him or her to support HB 324. For your convenience, a pre-written letter will be e-mailed to your state representative when you visit NORML's 'Take Action' Center here: http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=61012716"

and....

Quote :

"http://norml.org/news/2012/02/23/study-passage-of-medical-marijuana-laws-correlated-with-fewer-suicides Study: Passage Of Medical Marijuana Laws Correlated With Fewer Suicides "Policymakers weighing the pros and cons of legalization should consider... that (these) laws may lead to fewer suicides among young adult males" Study: Passage Of Medical Marijuana Laws Correlated With Fewer SuicidesBonn, Germany: The enactment of statewide laws allowing for the limited use of cannabis therapeutically is associated with reduced instances of suicide, according to a discussion paper published in January by the Institute for the Study of Labor in Bonn, Germany. Researchers at Montana State University, the University of Colorado, and San Diego State University assessed rates of suicide in the years before and after the passage of statewide medical marijuana laws. Authors found, "The total suicide rate falls smoothly during the pre-legalization period in both MML (medical marijuana law) and non-MML states. However, beginning in year zero, the trends diverge: the suicide rate in MML states continues to fall, while the suicide rate in states that never legalized medical marijuana begins to climb gradually." They reported that this downward trend in suicides in states post-legalization was especially pronounced in males. "Our results suggest that the passage of a medical marijuana law is associated with an almost 5 percent reduction in the total suicide rate, an 11 percent reduction in the suicide rate of 20- through 29-year-old males, and a 9 percent reduction in the suicide rate of 30- through 39-year-old males," they determined. Authors theorized that the limited legalization of cannabis may "lead to an improvement in the psychological well-being of young adult males, an improvement that is reflected in fewer suicides." They further speculated, "The strong association between alcohol consumption and suicide-related outcomes found by previous researchers raises the possibility that medical marijuana laws reduce the risk of suicide by decreasing alcohol consumption." They concluded: "Policymakers weighing the pros and cons of legalization should consider the possibility that medical marijuana laws may lead to fewer suicides among young adult males." Full text of the discussion paper, "High on Life: Medical Marijuana Laws and Suicide," is available online at: http://ftp.iza.org/dp6280.pdf."

Quote :

"http://norml.org/news/2012/02/23/cannabis-use-not-associated-with-alterations-in-dopamine-study-says Cannabis Use Not Associated With Alterations In Dopamine, Study Says Thursday, 23 February 2012 New York, NY: The consumption of cannabis is not associated with residual alterations in the release of dopamine in chronic users, according to trial data to be published in journal Biological Psychiatry. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that is responsible for reward-driven learning and behavior. Alterations in the brain's production of dopamine is associated with the habitual use of various dependence-inducing intoxicants, including alcohol, heroin, and cocaine. Investigators at the New York State Psychiatric Institute and Columbia University assessed dopamine levels in 16 recently abstinent, psychiatrically health cannabis users and 16 matched controls. Researchers found that cannabis consumers did not show any significant differences compared to controls in any of the brain regions assessed. Authors concluded, "Unlike other addictions, cannabis dependence of mild to moderate severity is not associated with striatal DA (dopamine) alterations." They cautioned, however, that early onset use of cannabis or long-term use of the plant may be associated with a decrease in the release of dopamine in the striatum."

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





[Edited on February 23, 2012 at 9:58 PM. Reason : /]

2/23/2012 9:57:03 PM

really? nothing?

2/24/2012 2:33:08 AM

what good reason would you have for needing medical marijuana?

2/24/2012 2:44:49 AM

He clearly has anxiety issues, ADHD and depression.

2/24/2012 7:34:38 AM

I use to be a "legalize it" proponent...but I've come to realize that I'm way more "out of it" when I smoke a bowl or eat a pot brownie than when I have a couple drinks (I feel like a lot of people think alcohol is more dangerous). My motor skills are definitely fucked up...not just slow to react.

I won't even think about getting behind the wheel if I'm high. If I've had a couple drinks...it's debatable.

[Edited on February 24, 2012 at 9:01 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2012 8:59:56 AM

I don't understand your argument, counselor

2/24/2012 9:11:02 AM

Eh...just for me, personally, marijuana is more dangerous to consume. I would be more dangerous behind the wheel and just for doing regular, everyday shit (like walking down the sidewalk).

[I'm not the best person to argue about this...as I've never been a big consumer...just throwing out a light opinion on the subject]

[Edited on February 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2012 9:12:15 AM

Quote :

"Eh...just for me, personally, marijuana is more dangerous to consume. I would be more dangerous behind the wheel and just for doing regular, everyday shit (like walking down the sidewalk)."

??

I can see how it would affect your ability to drive, but walk down the sidewalk? lol

2/24/2012 9:14:48 AM

I ate a pot brownie the other day and really had some trouble doing simple tasks. I do think eating, as opposed to smoking, has very different effects. My equilibrium/balance was all kinds of fucked up.

2/24/2012 9:19:39 AM

Incredibly hard to dose oneself on a brownie; plus it's a pretty different experience than smoking. Lasts a lot longer, onset comes a lot longer ... if anything it reminds me more of a mild trip experience (except much weaker obviously, and not visual), just in terms of the up/down pattern.

The problem with eating is, if you get some new batch of brownies or something and you're inexperienced with THC, you might bug out when you eat one (not knowing the dose, etc). Smoking's a lot easier to get right ... take a puff. Too high? Stop. Can't really do that with a brownie once you've started metabolizing the whole thing, and nobody's gonna take a bite and wait an hour to see what happens.

[Edited on February 24, 2012 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2012 9:23:14 AM

I agree with all of that.

2/24/2012 9:30:09 AM

Just sayin' because a lot of people miss out on the fun/beneficial/great aspects of pot because they ate a brownie once and it was way too much. Like anything else it's something that should be enjoyed within a person's limits, and small amounts (for those who don't normally come into contact with it) can really relax you out. If you're bugging out then you're either extremely unused to being on a psychotropic substance or you had too much

Just get a little glass piece on Hillsborough street and enjoy a hit or two, or, roll a joint and put it out after a puff or so. Smoking it works fast, so you don't have to sit around wondering if you took the right amount (you'll know)

2/24/2012 9:35:59 AM

Lightweights ITT

Hey Hey Hey Hey, smoke weed every day

But yes, high driving is much more dangerous for me than drunk driving

but also much more fun

2/24/2012 9:36:00 AM

nothing wrong with being a "lightweight" it's less expensive and less hard on your lungs

trust me i'd prefer to smoke less and get the same amount out

2/24/2012 9:40:36 AM

^ I prefer not to "smoke" at all. That's why I eat. Unfortunately, the guy who makes the weed baked goods has the highest tolerance of anybody I've ever met. So his shit is wayyy too strong.

Oh well...

2/24/2012 9:52:50 AM

I smoke quite frequently and have noticed no ill effects on my lung capacity. Granted, 10K is the furthest I'll run, and granted, I'm still 27, but its not like I'm wheezing on my second lap.

2/24/2012 10:01:26 AM

I have asthma so this argument does not compute

2/24/2012 1:43:18 PM

if smoking is too rough, i recommend vaping before eating. it feels more like smoking and doesn't last all fucking day.

that said, i've been eating a lot more lately b/c the dispensary i go to gives you a free cookie if you show them that you installed their (free) android app.

[Edited on February 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM. Reason : god i love california, free vegan cookie w/ every purchase LOL]

2/24/2012 1:46:40 PM

Get a job hippies

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

2/24/2012 2:30:35 PM

Quote :

"I smoke quite frequently and have noticed no ill effects on my lung capacity. Granted, 10K is the furthest I'll run, and granted, I'm still 27, but its not like I'm wheezing on my second lap."

I never work out under any circumstances whatsoever, so the effects on me are likely different

Quote :

"Get a job hippies"

nope

2/24/2012 2:38:03 PM

jbrick83, your anecdote is a little like taking a quadruple shot of tequila and concluding that alcohol is too dangerous to be legal. As with any substance, you need to know your limits. Just eat 1/2 or 1/4 next time.

As far as driving, I'm fine if I just take a puff, same as if I had a couple of beers.

[Edited on February 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM. Reason : .]

2/24/2012 3:16:40 PM

^ fo sho

2/24/2012 6:09:51 PM

the problem w/ driving is that you don't feel out of control so you think it's fine, but 10 minutes later you wake up at an intersection and don't remember getting there.

2/25/2012 1:10:59 AM

^
eh? that's not normal.

2/25/2012 1:17:04 AM

if you regularly smoke pot- after a few days you should build up a tolerance that will allow you to do anything high. it alters your mood much more than your perception or reasoning abilities. It should not have any significant motor control effects.

2/25/2012 4:17:33 AM

Quote :

"the problem w/ driving is that you don't feel out of control so you think it's fine, but 10 minutes later you wake up at an intersection and don't remember getting there."

lol what

2/25/2012 8:39:54 AM

they like a little PCP on their weed

2/26/2012 4:27:09 PM

you guys never forget what you're doing when you're baked?

shieeeet.

2/27/2012 6:25:11 PM

I don't have amnesia for 10 seconds while driving, I may forget details of a night.

2/27/2012 6:48:29 PM

Quote :

"look at me, I'm BlackDog and look at all the drugs I do, they are what makes me different and special. look at me, look at me."

QFT

Another worthless thread by the most pretentious and douchey TWWer

2/27/2012 7:30:22 PM

i don't literally mean wake up from a spell of amnesia and not know your own name. jesus christ.

2/28/2012 2:54:07 AM

^^ old

2/28/2012 8:56:34 PM

back to the weed

3/1/2012 5:52:04 PM

set em up

3/1/2012 6:32:45 PM