If you can't afford to HAVE your...asshole bleached, I'd highly recommend immediately ceasing all fecal activity.

2/11/2012 7:09:46 PM

do black folk bleach their anus?

2/11/2012 7:15:47 PM

you tell us?

2/11/2012 7:16:34 PM

The important ones do

2/11/2012 7:16:52 PM

I'm not black if that's what you're referring to

2/11/2012 7:18:41 PM

She is Hot Chocolate!

2/11/2012 7:25:21 PM

truth

2/11/2012 7:26:47 PM

This thread.

"BRINGING

THE

LOLs!"

2/11/2012 7:35:58 PM

This girl I worked with made too much money to get "insurance" (which is what she called Medicaid) so she quit her job so they wouldn't have to pay for her to have her kid.

Shit infuriates me.

2/11/2012 8:08:59 PM

^This

2/11/2012 8:31:13 PM

Everyone should be, act, and think like me.

People who deviate from this norm are scum!!

2/11/2012 11:07:10 PM

^tru dat

2/12/2012 2:43:27 AM

Quote :

" What else do you want to force on the peons? "

Eaton you seem fine with forcing people to pay for other peoples choices.

And comparing Megs feeling that she shouldnt have to pay for someone elses kids, by force, to nazi germany..eh

You see this wouldnt be an issue if we didnt FORCE people to pay for someone elses responsiblities. Our welfare state is providing a kinda reverse darwinism. Where the more educated/responsible you are you have less children,(becasue you actually have to pay to raise them) while the least productive have the most. (bc there is a financial reward to having kids vs a penality to others)

2/12/2012 9:30:56 AM

wow what a hoodrat fuckin leech

2/12/2012 11:11:06 AM

Quote :

"You see this wouldnt be an issue if we didnt FORCE people to pay for someone elses responsiblities. Our welfare state is providing a kinda reverse darwinism. Where the more educated/responsible you are you have less children,(becasue you actually have to pay to raise them) while the least productive have the most. (bc there is a financial reward to having kids vs a penality to others)"

You are 100% correct. My issue is that no one can, or should be able to, force people to get sterilized. Forced sterilization, which Meg supports, is not an acceptable form of birth control.

2/12/2012 3:26:02 PM

Quote :

" Forced sterilization, which Meg supports, is not an acceptable form of birth control."

Without this, then there is a 100% chance the person who has 15 kids already is going to keep having kids until the day they die.

2/12/2012 3:30:23 PM

Stop giving them welfare.
If they want 15 kids (an exaggeration on your part btw) that is their choice and they should have to live with it. They can and should get help from charitable orgs not the gov't.

The gov't enabled this behavior and now the answer is sterilization? No.
The answer is, once again, tax and welfare reforms.
Flat or Fair Tax and elimination of entitlements.

So, what is the determining factor for sterilization?

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM. Reason : -]

2/12/2012 3:39:51 PM

I support forced sterilization. Absolutely.

2/12/2012 3:40:04 PM

Quote :

"Stop giving them welfare. "

equates to "let the kids die for something that's out of their control. the kids didn't ask to be born"

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2012 3:40:58 PM

^^That basically makes you evil.

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2012 3:42:07 PM

Quote :

"let the kids die"

really?

You think way too simply.
Everything isnt black and white. this didn't start overnight and it win't end overnight. There would have to be a case-by-case weening process.

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 3:45 PM. Reason : -]

2/12/2012 3:44:36 PM

I know! I love it! Muahahahahahah (that's my evil laugh)

2/12/2012 3:44:58 PM

So, meg, where shall we start? Who gets it first?

2/12/2012 3:46:38 PM

That Tampa woman is why I would support the government paying to have people on wellfare fixed, if they wanted to be after they had two kids.

2/12/2012 3:49:08 PM

Quote :

"So, what is the determining factor for sterilization?"

Off the whim:

I would say:

-A person that can't financially support 2 or more children without assistance with welface.
-A person that has five or more children stemming from natural or artificial insemination
-A person who requests welfare should also submit to sterilization otherwise they should find funding elsewhere.
-Any person who has their children taken away from them due to obvious neglect (for the people who refuse to get welfare because they don't want sterilization and don't make an effort to find funding)


Keep in mind, this has nothing to do with them ever being reinstated with the children they already have, it just means they can't have any MORE children. The don't deserve more if they can't handle the ones they have. Common sense.


The Earth has no shortage of people. We need to limit the entry to a number that can be supported by the planet naturally.

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2012 3:49:52 PM

Quote :

"-A person that can't financially support 2 or more children without assistance with welface."

Don't know what welface is but I'll go with it. So, they don't ask for welfare and get help from charity. Now what? They get abortions? Now what? How are you going to enforce this? How much will it cost?

Quote :

"-A person that has five or more children stemming from artificial insemination"

I'm familiar with octo-mom. She is an isolated case. Most AI never gets that far. What if they are rich and can afford it? It their choice.

Quote :

"-A person who requests welfare should also submit to sterilization otherwise they should find funding elsewhere."

There shouldn't be gov't welfare anyway. This isn't forced sterilization as much as it is coerced, but I'm sure there are those that would submit to it.

Quote :

"-Any person who has their children taken away from them due to obvious neglect (for the people who refuse to get welfare because they don't want sterilization and don't make an effort to find funding)"

So, now we are taking kids and forcing sterilization? This just gets prettier and prettier.

Bottom line: The gov't does not belong in the welfare business. It also doesn't belong in the dictating who should be sterilized business. Take away the incentive, welfare, and provide the right education and these problems will get better.
Most of us on this forum managed to make it through college without getting pregnant and without "welfare" Why is that?

Quote :

"The Earth has no shortage of people. We need to limit the entry to a number that can be supported by the planet naturally."

Don't worry about the planet. It can take of itself just fine and has plenty of ways to limit our numbers. It doesn't need you.



[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 4:07 PM. Reason : -]

2/12/2012 4:03:58 PM

Quote :

"Don't worry about the planet. It can take of itself just fine and has plenty of ways to limit our numbers. It doesn't need you."

LMFAO. Your philosophy is consistent with bread mold.


1) Settle on nutrient rich land.
2) multiply and expand until there is no more land
3) cover entire surface until no more nutrients can be harvested
4) everyone dies.

2/12/2012 4:17:08 PM

^that was funny to read, and true

2/12/2012 4:18:16 PM

Oh another exaggeration...
You have a problem with reality and complex topics.

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM. Reason : -]

2/12/2012 4:28:10 PM

in what way is that an exaggeration? have you ever studied a biological community?

humans cannot avert this issue forever, you are delusional if you think humans are above this law of nature.

if you want to argue about what is unnatural, we can bring up cancer cures, surgerys and any other life saving medicine. By caring for the population on earth, we have to respect the fact we will never be able to care for an exponentially growing population, therefore it is in the interest of the human race to broach this topic. Burrowing your head in the sand is not going to get anything accomplished.

2/12/2012 4:32:32 PM

Forced sterilization is wrong, you aren't God and you don't get to decide anyone's fate but yours.
Rationalize it all you want... it all goes back to that.

The Earth has many population control mechanisms:
Famine
disease
natural disasters
climate change - don't be arrogant and think its human induced. The climate was changing long before us
people overgrowing what the land can sustain - already happens in under-developed countries
natural sterilization - this is on the rise in developed nations
decline of birthrates - also occurring in developed nations
war
abortion
murder
suicide

geee... I guess I studied something.

2/12/2012 4:51:55 PM

so you are fine with abortion, not bc? god you are trying too hard to troll.


and no, you claim to not be bias, but you clearly are. But that is my opinion. and there is no god, so that safety net don't fly with me, if you can give me a real reason, then I will listen.

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM. Reason : if you are religious isn't suicide and abortion not allowed? or you are one of those bible benders?]

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 5:08 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2012 4:53:54 PM

This thread:

2/12/2012 4:54:28 PM

No. I'm not fine with abortion, but I'm not going to tell someone else they can't do it.
They will have to live with that decision.

Don't believe in God... I'm sad for you.
I guess life just hasn't gotten so hard for you that looking to God is all you have left.
Hopefully it never does.
I sound uneducated? Can you say projection bias?

I'm Teebowing right now! Can ya dig it!

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM. Reason : -]

2/12/2012 5:01:25 PM

I am quite happy believing in the things that are before me. I have plenty of hard times, including being homeless, I never once was desperate enough to believe that a book claiming a dude with life saving powers that he never uses lives in the sky, but that is another topic.

so, isn't BC a choice too, why would you take that away from people? Did you watch 'Children of men' today?

2/12/2012 5:05:18 PM

Y'all act like having a litter of kids is a new phenomenon. People have always had litters, the difference is your kids are less likely to die in childhood.

2/12/2012 5:09:55 PM

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"Don't believe in God... I'm sad for you. I guess life just hasn't gotten so hard for you that looking to God is all you have left. Hopefully it never does."

I'm sad for you for believing in imaginary friends and living your life based on a book someone wrote.
a BOOK.
There are people in society who do this with other books/movies.
We call them crazy.
You don't get a pass just because it's religion.
I'm glad that I am happy enough and responsible enough with my life that I take account for what happens, and understand that my life is what I make it and what I do.
I don't rely on false hope and explanations to get through my day.


It really makes me worry about the mental state of people who rely on God, or use God as the reason things happen.

"I'm sorry about the death of your mom, but that was just God's plan. And with his help, you are gonna get through it"

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

Life sucks sometimes, shit happens. You should learn to deal with it on your own, and not outsource some of it to imaginary friends.

Religion exists because some people are to weak to deal with their own lives, and without the false hope that religion provides, some people would be totally lost if they thought they were all they had.

Now what is more sad? That?
Or not believing in and revolving your life around a book and imaginary friends.

There is more evidence that Santa Clause exists than God.

Go around telling people that you are doing things because Santa Clause says so, or that some things don't matter because its Santa's plan and everything is going to be ok.

See how long it takes before you are in a mental institute.

2/12/2012 5:14:14 PM

There is a difference between believing in God and organized religion.
I never said the answer was in a book. You make a lot of assumption and jump to a lot of conclusions.
God isn't a genie, he doesn't grant wishes. Its a spiritual thing, I hope one day you will understand.
I will pray for you.

Contraception is fine and it is a persons choice to use it.

[Edited on February 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM. Reason : -]

2/12/2012 5:16:18 PM

^tell us how you really feel, anyway Eaton, glad you find solace in god, we each have our own way.

2/12/2012 5:16:34 PM

Quote :

"There is a difference between believing in God and organized religion. I never said the answer was in a book. You make a lot of assumption and jump to a lot of conclusions. God isn't a genie, he doesn't grant wishes. Its a spiritual thing, I hope one day you will understand. I will pray for you. Contraception is fine and it is a persons choice to use it."

Not as much as you think.
I didn't either. But most religious people and thosewho believe in God live their lives in accordance with the bible. A book.
I never implied that people think he is a genie. If he were, it wouldn't matter, genies are also imaginary.
I hope one day that you understand that spirits aren't real, and people don't live in the clouds.
I will hope that one day you will be able to live your life alone and deal with your problems yourself.

2/12/2012 5:23:38 PM

I hope one day you will understand what God really is.

Lives in clouds? Thats funny.

2/12/2012 5:32:55 PM

well do not take tacolu's stance on god affect how you think of athiests, because there are religious zealots that give religion a bad name too.

But, in this debate, I am sorry but facts are the only thing to rely on, and using god is not a good enough argument.

2/12/2012 5:35:37 PM

Quote :

"I hope one day you will understand what God really is."

Right back at ya.

2/12/2012 5:41:06 PM

Forced sterilization is wrong, you don't have the authority to decide anyone's fate but yours.
Rationalize it all you want... it all goes back to that.

FIFY - no God for you.

2/12/2012 5:43:19 PM

Forced sterilization IS necessary because some people are too stupid to be responsible.

If it helps you, tell yourself that that's God's plan and it's what he wants.

2/12/2012 5:45:38 PM

Quote :

"if you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em"

2/12/2012 5:46:10 PM

i'd be against forced sterilization, but having to do it in order to get welfare benefits... that's a different animal

2/12/2012 5:47:06 PM

Quote :

"tacolu: Forced sterilization IS necessary because some people are too stupid to be responsible."

You first, lead the way.

What? Oh, its always the other person that is wrong. Never you.

2/12/2012 6:05:59 PM

Now you know how we feel.

People who believe in God are never wrong. Because in their eyes it's impossible that God doesn't exist and they feel sorry for anyone who believes otherwise because those people are clearly wrong.

2/12/2012 6:08:42 PM

What gives you the authority to dictate what is done to someone else?
Who are you to say who gets sterilized and who does not?

2/12/2012 6:41:40 PM