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3/15/2012 6:36:37 PM

some people apparently like it enough to make magazines...




holy fuck is that BHS on the cover?

3/15/2012 6:51:40 PM

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"I hate to agree with brick, but while male and female circumcision are on the same continum, female circ is a much worse practice , for health and sexual reasons. I think a more apt comparison would be things like earlobe stretching, neck rings or foot binding."

:applause:

In these threads I usually like to point out the degree at which people have been brainwashed into thinking male circumcision is ok by using the female circ arguement.
Someone always comes in with the femalecirciswayworsebecauseitsfullclitoralexcisionitsdonetooppresswomenblahblahblah bullshit.

Lets take a poll.
Raise your hand if you're ok with this:
Joe Blow has a baby girl at UNC. The day before baby and mom go home Joe asks the doc to circumcise his baby girl; specifically he wants the doc to cut her hood off, no more.
Doc asks why and Joe says "well, I don't want her to look all roast beefy. Her crotch will stay cleaner and won't smell because she won't get any of that cunt cheese. Also, I can't stand to think she might lose any face time at all with the boys just because they might be grossed out by her hood."
So...the doc takes her into the OR, sanitizes, snips off her hood, bandages her up, and hands her back to the parents with a set of directions for keeping it clean while it heals.

:raises hand:
Seriously. If someone told me they had that done I'd be like "ok, this type of shit happens every day. I wouldn't do it to my kid, but whatever."

3/15/2012 10:41:42 PM

My son just got circumcised on Tuesday. First time I ever saw one right after it was done. Looks really painful. The entire head is blood read. Definitely worth it though.

3/15/2012 10:56:47 PM

Fumbler,

i read your post three times and i still don't know where you stand on the issue

and you're allowed to have a gun

fuck

3/15/2012 10:59:25 PM

the hood of the clit isn't exactly the "roasty beefy" part of a pussy

3/16/2012 12:09:17 AM

^^I'm against circumcision, male or female.

However, I understand that I can't make anyone do anything and I don't want to force my views on anyone. In the end it's not my kid.
In the real world if the subject comes up I kindly offer my opinion and try to educate people if they'll hear me. People generally value my opinion more than others and I'm a lot more tactful irl.

If someone still says they're going to do it that's ok with me. It would be equally ok with me if they did it to a girl. It's physiologically the same. It's only different if you're a sheep who's allowed society to warp your mind without giving it a second thought.

I try to explain to people that cleanliness and health are not the right reasons to do it. There are studies that go either way but there are more studies that are not in favor or at least say there's no reason to do it. Seriously, how would a circumcised man who, for most of their lives, thinks all penises are circumcised know if an uncircumcised penis is any dirtier than their own?
How is it not healthy? How many uncut boys get UTIs? If anything, we really should circumcise girls because I'm sure less skin would mean less bad bacteria (just the inner labias at the hospital, not cutting every damn thing off with a sharp rock in the middle of the fucking sahara). I'm not serious about promoting female circ, just looking at things objectively.

IMO the only reasons to do it are religion, tradition, or aesthetics. However, if you're christian and claim religion then you're an idiot. I've had some people claim that very thing and I tell them to check out galatians.
I actually respect anyone who is man enough to say "yeah, I understand it has no physical benefit, but I just like the way it looks." At least they're not lying to themselves.
It's a lot like telling my wife "ohh...I need this gun because it's a single stack version of my other gun and would be better for concealed carry." Bullshit, lol. I just wanted it for no good reason. No good reason is better than a lie.
Having said that about aesthetics, I still don't like that justification but who the hell cares? People pierce their infant girls' ears all the time and I don't believe that's right either.
Lol, imagine what kind of shit I'd get for doing this to my baby:

In my mind it's all the same. Social norms don't make circumcision, ear, or taint piercings ok for a baby.
My kid can decide what it wants to do with its body when I feel that it's mature enough to make those decisions (or when they turn 18, whichever comes first). In the mean time it's my job to protect it and subjecting it to cosmetic surgery (circumcision for those too dense to get me) is not protecting it. Just look at all the horror pics of circumcisions gone wrong or read the stories about boys having sex reassignment surgery as a 5 day old baby because of a doctor's mistake. The sad thing is no one will ever know how big a problem botched circumcisions are because there are probably a ton of guys too embarrassed to come forward or too ignorant to know there's a problem. Not to mention no doc is going to tell you how many they screw up if no one catches it.

So...that's all I have to say.

^Fair enough. Lets pretend I said inner labia.

[Edited on March 16, 2012 at 12:25 AM. Reason : carrots carets]

3/16/2012 12:12:29 AM

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"My son just got circumcised on Tuesday. First time I ever saw one right after it was done. Looks really painful. The entire head is blood read. Definitely worth it though."

you point out that looks painful and temporarily injurious.

then you say it is worth it... worth it how, from what point of view?

3/16/2012 12:22:05 AM

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"I've seen and been with too many penises with to tight skin, bent funny, our with hair on the shaft -all cause by circumcision."

I'll give you tight skin (honestly that's all the justification you need, and maybe some wonky scar tissue), but hair follicle location and your penis having a bend are not necessarily (or at all) attributable to circumcision.

3/16/2012 12:30:37 AM

For serious, knowing there's a chance that an unnecessary surgery can cause bent penis would you feel ok taking the gamble?

3/16/2012 12:34:47 AM

Bitches love the bend!!! HIT THAT SPOT!

3/16/2012 6:43:01 AM

Fumbler, are you claiming that male circumcision and female circumcision as it is actually practiced are physiologically equivalent? Or are you just equating male circumcision with this hypothetical type of female circumcision that is rarely actually performed (hood removal only)?

As an aside it's pretty clear from this thread that you don't exactly know your way around a vagina.

[Edited on March 16, 2012 at 7:15 AM. Reason : t]

3/16/2012 7:14:49 AM

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"People pierce their infant girls' ears all the time and I don't believe that's right either."

3/16/2012 8:12:43 AM

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" I'll give you tight skin (honestly that's all the justification you need, and maybe some wonky scar tissue), but hair follicle location and your penis having a bend are not necessarily (or at all) attributable to circumcision."

If you do not have sufficient skin to achieve a normal erection, your body will compensate by pulling skin from the testicles and pubis. Due to differences in in skin elasticity, your penis can bend or curve unnaturally. This is also how hair ends up creeping down the shaft on most men.

How can a lack of foreskin not change the dynamics of the penis? The extra skin is necessary to accommodate an erection. I was with one guy who's circumcision was done in a way that left him with no extra skin. His erections looked stunted and painful. It baffled me why anyone would elect to have that done.

3/16/2012 9:15:21 AM

Sounds like he had a bad doctor. And shouldn't that be, "up the shaft"?

3/16/2012 9:27:07 AM

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"My son just got circumcised on Tuesday. First time I ever saw one right after it was done. Looks really painful. The entire head is blood read. Definitely worth it though."

this is really confusing to me

3/16/2012 9:57:50 AM

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"Fumbler, are you claiming that male circumcision and female circumcision as it is actually practiced are physiologically equivalent? Or are you just equating male circumcision with this hypothetical type of female circumcision that is rarely actually performed (hood removal only)?"

Wow, you're either trolling, have poor reading comprehension, didnt actually read what i wrote, or just plain dumb.
Which is it?

3/16/2012 4:57:31 PM

I'll guess just plain dumb since he never responded

3/17/2012 5:07:04 PM

if you would just state your god damn opinion instead of drifting back and forth between literal statements and sarcasm perhaps your message would be more clear to morons like me

or you could just answer my fucking question

3/17/2012 5:18:19 PM

ya I think I'm on the same side as fumbler but his posts are nonsense

3/17/2012 9:22:15 PM

Fumbler is not a precise communicator

this has probably hurt him at work and in his personal relationships whether he is aware of it or not

3/17/2012 9:26:28 PM

Ok, I apologize. You're not dumb, your reading comprehension just sucks.
Here's the answer to your last question:

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"(just the inner labias at the hospital, not cutting every damn thing off with a sharp rock in the middle of the fucking sahara)"

And to be as explicit as possible, I do not agree with circumcising babies, male or female.
My suggestion to circumcise girls is made to point out the fact that people can't objectively look at the subject of male circumcision; if they could, male circumcision would become obviously wrong.

3/18/2012 7:49:39 AM

thats a ridiculous comment as well, its only obviously wrong when done for aesthetic reasons (i'm not touching the religious issue, this thread is already too soapboxy)

3/18/2012 7:02:52 PM

What's ridiculous?
This?

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"My suggestion to circumcise girls is made to point out the fact that people can't objectively look at the subject of male circumcision; if they could, male circumcision would become obviously wrong."

If that's what you're referring to then that's the goddamn point.
There's no reason to circumcise any kid, except for aesthetic reasons (because science can't quantify aesthetics), and aesthetic reasons are ridiculous IMO and hopefully in most people's opinions.
Good job

jebus christ...do I really suck at talking or are people really slow? can I get an answer from someone with an IQ of 115 or better?

[Edited on March 18, 2012 at 8:53 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2012 8:46:31 PM

your posts are not worth reading

I wish you whatever meager success in life you can manage

3/18/2012 8:52:14 PM

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"Studies comparing healthcare cost to benefits of circumcision have reached varying conclusions. Some found a small net benefit of circumcision,[38][39] some found a small net decrement,[40][41] and one found that the benefits and risks balanced each other out and suggested that the decision could "most reasonably be made on nonmedical factors."

3/18/2012 8:52:58 PM

^hey, that's pretty cool. Like I said, it comes down to aesthetics and religion/tradition and I can't tell someone they're wrong if any of those are their justification (I still obviously don't agree).

[Edited on March 18, 2012 at 8:56 PM. Reason : ^^I'm sorry you can't read. Seriously, I'm sorry. ]

3/18/2012 8:56:04 PM

So...back to one of the core questions...if no data can give you solid evidence that male circumcision provides health benefits, is it worth the risk of having your boy end up with a penis that looks like ?
And that's far from the worst...

3/18/2012 9:02:48 PM

3/18/2012 9:05:00 PM

obsessed with guns and cock pictures

so gay

3/18/2012 10:40:02 PM

[Edited on March 18, 2012 at 10:43 PM. Reason : http://readinglessons.com/]

3/18/2012 10:43:16 PM

and you kissed me

i'm a man

gaaaay

3/18/2012 10:45:00 PM

^^http://writingfix.com/

3/18/2012 10:54:46 PM

Thanks

3/18/2012 11:01:26 PM

Why don't these parents today just leave the fucking wanker in tact?

It's not like our generation. In 30 years if you polled a bar about who had their foreskin cut I bet it would be a very different story because it's not an obvious choice for parents in 2012. If in doubt (which I know you are) then do the option that doesn't involve a knife. I mean holy shit is that so hard?

3/18/2012 11:08:46 PM

http://www.thegaycure.com/

3/18/2012 11:09:29 PM

^^like

That's what I really don't understand. Some parents just aren't sure what to do so they end up circumcision the kid. The default shouldn't be to go along with a potentially hazardous surgery, the default should be to do nothing. If there is a problem that pops up later then fix it later.

[Edited on March 18, 2012 at 11:13 PM. Reason : ^mad because you can't read. You probably have an ugly penis too and never noticed til now]

3/18/2012 11:11:35 PM

lol ur gay

3/18/2012 11:12:20 PM

my opinion is, if done right.... do it early.

i'm glad as hell i don't remember that surgery... i'm also glad as hell it was done.

3/18/2012 11:19:00 PM

How do you guarantee it's done right?
Doctors make mistakes.

[Edited on March 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM. Reason : too bad there aren't public ratings for surgeons ]

3/18/2012 11:26:09 PM

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"Some parents just aren't sure what to do so they end up circumcision the kid. The default shouldn't be to go along with a potentially hazardous surgery, the default should be to do nothing."

3/18/2012 11:38:56 PM

My SO and I havd talked about this before.
I'm cut and don't see any reason why it was done other than for "sociatal norms".
I have seen and heard of circumcision gone wrong and presented this evidence to my SO.
She didn't care. She wants her son cut because she wants his dick to look "normal".
WTF?
It has become a major issue and I see no resolution or compromise.
How the hell do you compromise on this issue?

3/19/2012 6:59:44 AM

fact: Europeans, in general, do not practice circumcision.

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 8:59 AM. Reason : foreskin edit]

3/19/2012 8:57:15 AM

Hmmm, I'll move us to Europe and then uncut is normal

Really, I see this as an American ignorance and fear of the unknown problem.
Dicks are gross, cut or uncut, and a chicks reaction is going to be similar the first time she experiences one.
As far as lasting longer goes, that isn't a dick issue, thats a brain thing. Dick control is learned and comes with experience (no pun).

3/19/2012 9:20:49 AM

You could have just half the foreskin removed. Like, the left or right half lol.
You should show her pics of circumcisions gone wrong and force her to actually reason through it. Most people refuse to actually think about it in detail. Like bottombaby pointed out, they don't want to see it either. If someone wants it done they should easily be able to stomach the procedure pics.

Maybe just start with her reasoning through it. "Normal" doesn't count or else every A cup woman would get breast implants and every short dude would get femur elongation prodecdures.

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2012 10:31:35 AM

honestly, we are the last generation that will see it as normal. in many areas in the US it is approaching a 50/50 split and has steadily declined over the years. in some regions among school students cut is actually in the minority. as a child care provider i saw more and more uncut little boys. parents are now questioning the procedure and for many it just doesn't make sense or seem worth it.

3/19/2012 11:35:45 AM

I have had people try to rationalize that there are complications with uncut dicks too. My respone to that is to fix the problems as they arise (again, no pun). There is a small percentage of tight foreskin... easily fixed and not as bad as circumcision.

I want my foreskin back!

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 5:40 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2012 5:31:04 PM

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"fact: Europeans, in general, do not practice circumcision."

only majority muslim/jewish countries do it as much as the US/Canada (and countries where evil evangelicals pay for it as a way to stop AIDs instead of condoms b/c it is more "moral")

if it is right for the middle east and africa, surely it is right for the US!

3/19/2012 6:00:10 PM

lookin at you, catholics

3/20/2012 12:31:04 AM

There was an FML posted yesterday that made me think of this topic.

3/21/2012 7:20:07 PM