Page 3 of proponents of "tolerance" instead preaching hatred

12/22/2013 4:10:53 PM

https://sportsandentertainmentlaw.ncbar.org/newsletters/sportsentertainmentnov2011/moralitybites

12/22/2013 4:58:54 PM

ITT aaronburro asserts that Christ taught his followers to hate those different from themselves

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM. Reason : t]

12/22/2013 5:29:46 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/22/cracker-barrel-screwed-up-big-time/

12/22/2013 5:31:28 PM

Yeah, that was funny as shit

12/22/2013 5:36:56 PM

How can you call me a partisan joke and let moron off the hook with a comment like

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" lol if course he's racist. You can't do a show about self proclaimed rednecks and not trip over a few racists. "

Way to stereotype there. I guess its ok for you to do it though, since your opinion is the right one.

12/22/2013 9:41:12 PM

It seems hilarious that Cracker Barrel thought it had a customer base that would be offended by the items, and that it might be larger than the customer base that would instead be more likely to buy them because of this whole ordeal.

Cracker Barrel and Chick-fil-a, unite!

12/22/2013 9:57:43 PM

^^ what is partisan about that comment?

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ^]

12/22/2013 9:58:50 PM

My religion teaches me that my boss is a cunt.

If he fires me I'm suing his ass.

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM. Reason : .]

12/22/2013 10:02:47 PM

^^It's a stereotype that ascribes to unsophisticated rural white Southerners a type of belief (racism) at odds with liberalism and the varying agendas of contemporary Democrats but in accordance with the far right and indirectly expressed in part of the agenda of contemporary Republicans; in this way it is partisan, but in a different way (that is, who would believe and act on it), it's not particularly partisan: Republicans know they're a reliable source of votes for them, and Democrats correctly accuse Republicans of using dog-whistle messaging to appeal to their racism.

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 10:23 PM. Reason : Many progressives, however, regard this stereotype as harmful.

12/22/2013 10:23:07 PM

12/22/2013 11:29:30 PM

I wouldn't call anyone a redneck typically, but I watched 5 minutes if this show and they aren't shy about calling themselves rednecks.

If you deny that rednecks are more likely to be racist than the general population, there's no help for you.

I still don't think Phil should have lost his show though.

Maybe if "reality" tv actually reflected reality, we could have better discussions about society. Yes, Phil is racist and homophobic, he embodies ignorance of all stripes, but he seems to be a decent father and grandfather, possibly a good neighbor, and too his credit, is hypocritical when it comes to partying. Real Americans, on average, are dumb, ignorant, racist assholes, but we love each other nonetheless.

We would be better off by showing we can recognize people are multidimensional. This doesn't mean tolerating hate, it means mentoring Phil about his hate, while recognizing the other things he does well, person to person.

I vaguely recall in a tww thread a while back, where people were talking about family drama, aaronburro talking about an uncle or someone saying some really ignorant, racist things over thanksgiving/Christmas dinner. We all have these people in our family. Most of us don't cut these people off completely.

Considering Phil isn't a politician or other important person, he's just a dumb redneck on a tv show, A&E missed a huge opportunity to make some good from this.

A&Es actions provided the perfect fodder for the right and the Roberts family to twist this into Christian persecution.

12/22/2013 11:56:10 PM

^moron

I agree with a lot of that. all trolling/retrolling aside, here is my (rambling) view of this issue...

Most people want to be "good"... good is an easy word to teach kids but in the global real world, it is an abstract concept. Most people aren't comfortable with this. I think the appeal of religion is that it gives people a framework they can cling to in order to be "good" in a quantifiable sense. There is a lot of hate for fundamental Christians these days, but if you look at their motivations, it is to be "good." Yes, there are conflicting messages in the bible and peo... hell most of you won't read past this point, but I think the "hate" that people see in phil comes from his interpretation of the guidebook he has used to be "good"... The bible in his case has helped him overcome a lot of personal pain and suffering -- alcohol, drugs, etc. he has found great personal benefit in this, and the fact that he thinks others would benefit (hence his "spreading the word") is a direct result...

None of this is done with hate in mind. A lot of us who have been raised differently understand that homosexuals are not gay because they are evil- I personally believe that people should love who they love and if it isn't harming myself or other what business do I have to say they are wrong. Phil specifically said "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”... to me this statement implies that even though he might think the act of homosexuality is a sin, he doesn't hate the person who sins...

And this is my problem with this whole "controversy"... yes, he might have an opinion that might be different from some, but it is just part of a larger framework that he believes in because he thinks it is "good"... this is not something born out of hate... ignorance? maybe... but he specifically said that he loves humanity... I don't know him personally, but if he were to meet a gay person I would assume he would not hate him... he might think his actions were not "according to god" but he himself admits actions that he has done that were also not "according to god.

hell i'm really rambling now and am too tired to edit this shit to make any sense... But I don't think this guy is a bad person, and I don't think he is preaching hate, and I think that people should love who they love and not be persecuted for their beliefs.

[Edited on December 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM. Reason : http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=638032]

12/23/2013 12:35:36 AM

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"hell i'm really rambling now and am too tired to edit this shit to make any sense... But I don't think this guy is a bad person, and I don't think he is preaching hate, and I think that people should love who they love and not be persecuted for their beliefs."

I mostly agree with you on this last part. I don't think this guy is a bad person. A lot of racism is a casual attitude from your regional upbringing, or an incidental by-product of religion, and you could say they're comments made in unmotivated ignorance, not specifically based in a personal motivation of hate. However, I do think he's preaching a hateful message. He may not mean it from a place of personal hatred, but the message as given word for word, outside of his personal intent, definitely represented something akin to hate language / ideology. You can say something that is hateful and not mean it to be.

As far as people being able to love who they love and not be persecuted... 100% yes.

[Edited on December 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM. Reason : f]

12/23/2013 1:00:08 AM

Why do people keep framing this as a "freedom of speech" issue? This guy can say whatever he wants, but freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Try going into work, yelling "I hate gays and blacks" over and over again. See how long it takes for your bosses to send you home permanently.

Ah, wait...Civil Rights Act of 1964. Hateful religious views are protected from employment discrimination.

[Edited on December 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM. Reason : ]

12/23/2013 10:03:56 AM

The Civil Rights Act does not protect all religious speech in all situations, and in fact could be used against him if others complained.

But its irrelevant, because there are other reasons A&E is allowed to to fire him. (The first being that his other speech is enough by itself, and the other being that there is almost no way he wasn't warned against this and almost definitely has a morality clause in his contract)

12/23/2013 10:12:42 AM

just my two cents on the racist rhetoric...

Phil has a black grandson who he, and the entire family, consider a great blessing....it's been addressed on the show...

he also has an Asian grand daughter who his family adopted after she was a foreign exchange student...


I've never met him but I am close to several people who have and who have attended his sermons...the consensus among them is that the entire family are kind, down to earth, and very Godly...

12/23/2013 10:21:44 AM

but his black grandson isn't on welfare

12/23/2013 10:30:10 AM

but if he's racist....isn't he racist?

12/23/2013 10:36:18 AM

So because you're racist, you can't have a black friend/family member that you like?

I have no sympathy for fat people, but I've got some chunky friends.

Dude is still a bigot.

12/23/2013 10:42:46 AM

no such thing as bad publicity

12/23/2013 10:55:10 AM

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"but if he's racist....isn't he racist?"

no, that's not how it works

12/23/2013 10:59:14 AM

^^^^^What does welfare have to do with any of this.

[Edited on December 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM. Reason : dsa]

12/23/2013 12:41:13 PM

oh, so you haven't read all of his comments

you know, the ones you've been defending

12/23/2013 12:51:19 PM

I'm just trying to see how you are connecting welfare to racism.

12/23/2013 12:54:11 PM

Jesus Christ dude, read his statement

12/23/2013 1:21:31 PM

haha. that's just too much to ask.

12/23/2013 1:22:28 PM

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"to me this statement implies that even though he might think the act of homosexuality is a sin, he doesn't hate the person who sins..."

Bullshit. he doesn't tow the gay-rights, LGBT agenda, Democratic Party line 100%, so he's a hateful bigot.

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"However, I do think he's preaching a hateful message."

Then you need to reconsider what you think is a "hateful message". Saying "X is a sin" is not hateful, unless you're a gay-rights activist, and then anything short of "homosexuality is the bestest thing ever!!!!" is a call for genocide to you, or something.

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"But its irrelevant, because there are other reasons A&E is allowed to to fire him."

You can't lump a religiously discriminatory reason for firing someone in with other non-discriminatory ones and be A-OK. I don't understand why you can't comprehend this fact.

12/23/2013 11:10:53 PM

what's wrong with you?

were you kicked off of a debate team at some point?

12/23/2013 11:45:01 PM

it's not a freedom of speech issue, phil can say what he wants, a&e can do what they want, and fans can boycott as much as they want. great.

with that said...

if you think disagreeing with someone is hate, you'd fit right in with the most inflammatory of the media pundit hacks

12/24/2013 12:28:38 AM

again, what is there to disagree with?

consenting adults falling in love with each other?

were you granted permission to date/sleep with everybody you've been with?

[Edited on December 24, 2013 at 12:44 AM. Reason : autocorrect fail]

12/24/2013 12:39:36 AM

should we call it "obstructing human rights" instead of "hate"?

i'm cool with that

be against gays all you want. use your religion (supposedly one of universal love, but whatever) to defend your belief that they shouldn't get married in the christian sense. but keep your religious beliefs away from the laws of our secular nation.

12/24/2013 12:53:49 AM

^^ I don't understand your point, you have to be able to stop something in order to disagree?

How do you feel about theft, agree or disagree?

12/24/2013 1:50:23 AM

did phil talk about gay marriage? i thought he just called it "sin".

12/24/2013 1:55:58 AM

Just read the article, it has all his quotes in it. Personally I thought his comments about the "happiness" of blacks in the "pre-entitlement, pre-welfare" 1960s Jim Crow US South was more damning than him equating the "sin of homosexuality" with bestiality and violence.

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson

12/24/2013 2:28:47 AM

How many kids got bullied on the playground because of Phil's comments?

Too many.

12/24/2013 2:32:50 AM

I've read the quotes and I'm just not seeing it. Never once would I construe what he said as racist or being a bigot. Hes a Christian man, so of course being gay is wrong to him. I'm a Christian man and being gay is wrong to me. That doesn't mean we hate gay people. All it means is that we don't agree with it because of what the Bible says and what we are taught.

On to the "racist" comment. Does nobody read what he ACTUALLY said, or do they just see that he commented that he worked with black people and instantly take the racist march? He said, "With MY EYES..." He was just saying what HE experienced. Maybe the black people he worked with WERE happy. How can one say that he is racist because of what he experienced? Must be the same people that proclaim Abraham Lincoln the savior of the slave even though it took him years to make the Civil War about slavery because he needed something to rally the troops.

Watch this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyL1xha_1aU#t=522, listen to what he talks about around the 8:35 mark and show me the "racist" that he is portrayed as. Heck, watch the whole video. All he wants is a better world and for people to come to God(in my mind, they can come hand in hand). I loved his ending too. Is it too much to ask us to love our neighbor? Is that really too much?

12/24/2013 2:45:22 AM

He's saying a lot of things, not necessarily consistent with each other. This property of discontinuity makes it easy to get anything you want out of his statements. It's a good feature for a self-proclaimed preacher to have.

He's not a religious scholar, or scholar of any kind. His brand of religion seems to be very generic and simplistic.

The things he says are dumb, but when has religious tripe needed to be smart? If he didn't have the reality tv show, which he got by being quirky, no one would care what he was saying.

The things he said about working with blacks are hilarious and racially ignorant, but not surprising he would day them. Any educated person should really feel bad for how ignorant (in an intellectual sense) Phil is on racial issues.

The reasoning for voting against Obama seems blatantly racist, but is also pretty incoherent, so maybe he meant something less racist, but equally stupid?

12/24/2013 2:59:59 AM

I see bigots and racist are the last people to realize they are racist and bigots

12/24/2013 3:02:12 AM

I don't think the things he said about black people were necessarily racist, just incredibly ignorant and insensitive. You can't view the way black people acted without considering the social environment of the time. I wonder why a black man wouldn't complain to a white guy in the era of lynchings, bombings, and burning crosses?

Misremembering the past or not putting events in their full historical context isn't just an old white man problem, it's what is happening every time an old person is opining about the good old days. It's just that in this case he is leaving out a very relevant detail that happens to explain the situation pretty well.

12/24/2013 8:57:45 AM

You idiots who don't see anything wrong with his statement are going to have a lot of hard times in the future

12/24/2013 9:09:38 AM

12/24/2013 9:36:54 AM

lol Mighty Ducks

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"Hes a Christian man, so of course being gay is wrong to him."

I too long believed that devout Christianity implied bigotry, but now I know that's just conservative Christianity; more generally, I once thought "Christian" implied "conservative": http://www.religioustolerance.org/homosexu.htm

12/24/2013 10:05:26 AM

you idiots who give a fuck what some hilljack from Louisiana has to say have some hard times in your future

12/24/2013 10:14:46 AM

white trash from NC calling people from Louisiana hilljacks is pretty funny

12/24/2013 12:13:54 PM

^^ no one except a couple organizations gave a shit when he said it, everyone figured that's what he thought already and A&E handled it well. The right made it a controversy (to get viewers and page clicks), and then idiots parroted them.

tl;dr
you are describing the same idiots that I am

12/24/2013 1:56:25 PM

http://therestlessreformed.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/a-gay-mans-take-on-phil-robertson-and-the-ae-controversy/
A gay man’s take on Phil Robertson and the A&E controversy

12/26/2013 7:59:13 PM

DUCKSTRONG
FAITH, FAMILY, FREEDOM OF SPEECH

12/26/2013 8:51:36 PM

MinkaGrl01 wins.

12/27/2013 4:25:12 PM

He back.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/a-e-welcomes-phil-robertson-667647

12/27/2013 6:21:48 PM