I never watched Star Trek growing up, but I enjoyed the first movie and I'm excited to see this one. Might go tonight.

5/17/2013 10:39:48 AM

got my non-3d ticket for tonight at 8

5/17/2013 2:17:33 PM

Quote :

"I liked how they flipped Spock and Kirk's perspective from the Wrath of Khan."

I loved that part so much. The girl I took to the movie with me, who had never seen any Star Trek except for the last movie, didn't understand what was so great about it.

Also, I loved loved loved the Nurse Chapel reference and the exchange between Kirk and Dr. Marcus at the very end about family.

Looks like David Marcus will still come to be in this universe.

5/17/2013 3:49:32 PM

So is the villain Kahn, or NOT?

5/17/2013 3:55:37 PM

See the movie and find out.

5/17/2013 4:34:15 PM

just tell me

5/17/2013 4:54:06 PM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1408101/?ref_=hm_inth_t1

that might know

5/17/2013 4:57:41 PM

I'll say one thing - they certainly do have some fantastic long-range communications capabilities in this particular movie...

5/17/2013 5:23:05 PM

^I was thrown off by that as well. How could Kirk reach Scotty from so far away but couldn't alert anyone else on Earth about the situation?

5/17/2013 5:32:31 PM

I think that I could techno-nitpick the hell out of this movie, but I'm trying not to. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one." And I know people really need to like this movie. LOL. I just have a lot of mixed feelings about it. I'm chalking a lot of that up to Damon Lindelof's involvement.

But, uh, just another one to consider. The Enterprise does have several shuttles. We even saw some of them in this movie. Rather than launch two guys (one of them being the captain) out of an airlock in a longshot attempt to fly through a debris field and hope to hit a small airlock... um... why not send a shuttle with an armed boarding party?

I could go on and on...

5/17/2013 9:10:14 PM

Quote :

"Damon Lindelof"

Yea, when I saw that it was instant

Not sure I'm even going to watch this given what I already know of it.

5/17/2013 9:16:33 PM

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it. But I have a lot of mixed feelings about it.

5/17/2013 9:57:37 PM

Found the answer here on superluminal communication in Star Trek:
Yes, Star Trek does have FTL communication. That's why they are able to contact instantly to Starfleet and do real-time conversation. Otherwise, real-time communication wouldn't be possible even from near Jupiter.

From Memory Alpha:

Subspace communication (also called subspace radio or the hyperchannel) was the primary form of communication used throughout the Federation. By transmission through subspace rather than normal space, subspace communication permitted the sending of data and messages across interstellar distances faster than the speed of light.

Also, worth mentioning: Subspace radio signals propagate at about Warp 9.9999, about 100 times faster than Warp 9.6 (according to Star Trek: The Next Generation; Writer's Technical Manual). It means that subspace communications aren't just faster than speed of light, but much faster than even high-speed Warp vessels.

5/17/2013 10:36:25 PM

How's the ship?


Out of danger.




I marked out, I admit it

5/17/2013 10:40:59 PM

holy shit. I really enjoyed this movie.

I really liked how they brought Khan into this universe. I didn't think i would have.

AND MOTHER FUCKiNG SECTION 31!!!

Quote :

"The only thing I didn't like was the way the Klingon looked, I thought they tried way too hard to make him look menacing and it came off just looking like someone with too much makeup on."

Same here, but I assumed that the klingons in this alternate reality engaged in reconstructive surgery and other artificial means to reclaim their ridges, as the augment genetic experiment effects wouldn't have made it out of their genetic make-up yet. (they were all still smooth-heads in the 5 year mission)

5/17/2013 10:54:21 PM

space bromance

5/18/2013 3:23:13 AM

thoughts watching it last night:

-when I think Klingon I'm used to Worf, if they wanted to reimagine Klingons to look different I guess allright, but when the patrol leader took off his mask and that was what he looked like I was a bit let down, Worf looked like he had better makeup and this movie has a lot more money
-thought the death scene at the end with Kirk and Spock just didn't look right, Kirk looked perfectly normal in spite of the fact that radiation was destroying his body
-thought Khan did perfectly well for what screen time he was given, nailed cold and calculating, the "battle of logic" between him and Spock to get him the cryotubes was well done
-my favorite humor was the Uhura and Spock dating problems :lol:
-re Prime Directive at the beginning:



-all in all, good film, I enjoyed it

5/18/2013 12:24:51 PM

In fact by fixing the volcano in the beginning they already HAD violated the prime directive, regardless if the natives saw them or not.

5/18/2013 1:02:16 PM

Righto.

5/18/2013 1:19:47 PM

We never did find out why Kirk was running away from the locals and why he took that parchment, perhaps he saw a local girl he took a fancy to.

These lines though:

Quote :

"Kirk: "What would Spock do here?" Bones: "He would let you die.""

5/18/2013 1:23:03 PM

Quote :

"I enjoyed it. But I have a lot of mixed feelings about it."

I feel this way too. I actually enjoyed it on many levels, but probably only because I had seen Wrath of Khan. I'm a little annoyed that Khan was primarily an action hero in this version. Plus, his obsession with getting his crew back felt hollow (or at minimum, not explored very much), mostly just a plot device for reflecting Kirk's feelings about his own crew. What was Khan's real plan after he gets them back? Why didn't he just wake them all up sooner and kill Marcus earlier? The end is unsatisfying unless there's another movie: they just put Khan back in a cryochamber and lock them all somewhere?

Honestly, a lot of the last part of the movie just seemed like a flimsy excuse to get to the Kirk/Spock warp core radiation reversal. And speaking of, since when does the warp core control the ship's power?

There were a lot of references for Star Trek fans (including Section 31, a tribble, etc) at least

and the precredit sequence was one of the best parts, really

5/18/2013 2:34:06 PM

I enjoyed this much more than the last star trek movie.

5/18/2013 3:58:14 PM

Quote :

" What was Khan's real plan after he gets them back? Why didn't he just wake them all up sooner and kill Marcus earlier? The end is unsatisfying unless there's another movie: they just put Khan back in a cryochamber and lock them all somewhere?"

All of these things were addressed in the movie.....

5/18/2013 5:17:05 PM

Quote :

"since when does the warp core control the ship's power?"

The warp core is the primary power source for Federation ships.

From Memory Alpha: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_core

Quote :

"Warp core is the common designation for the main energy reactor powering the propulsion system on warp-capable starships....The molecules enter the lattice matrix of the crystallized dilithium, reacting within it and releasing a tuned energy stream in the form of electro-plasma, a highly energetic form of plasma. The electro-plasma is carried by magnetic plasma conduits throughout the power transfer system. In the Federation power transfer grid, this is the electro-plasma distribution network, comprised of EPS conduits and EPS taps. The most energized stream created is the warp plasma, which exits in twin power transfer conduits connected to the warp nacelles."

5/18/2013 9:57:57 PM

Definitely enjoyed the movie. I would have traded the teary emotion for a little more radiation skin damage make up.

Overall: Good tea. Nice house.

5/18/2013 10:30:41 PM

Quote :

"Sidenote: On the part when Kirk was in Admiral Marcus' office it shows various aircraft/spacecraft developed in human history. It started with the Wright Brothers' plane and panned over. One of the vehicles it showed was the SLS vehicle that is currently in the design phase at NASA. I'm glad they included that small detail."

I may have been mistaken, but wasn't the last ship to the left the ship he ended up on? dreadnought class?

Quote :

"Looks like David Marcus will still come to be in this universe."

I wouldnt rule it out.

Quote :

"um... why not send a shuttle with an armed boarding party? "

That was addressed in the movie.



This movie is amazing. I loved it! The wife has only seen the 2009 movie and this one. I feel bad as she didn't get some of the humor nor the irony in the movie because she never saw the Original series. I highly suggest seeing at least the Wrath of Khan prior to watching.

[Edited on May 19, 2013 at 2:08 AM. Reason : E]

5/19/2013 1:59:47 AM

Quote :

"dreadnought class? "

it definitely looked like one to me

5/19/2013 2:25:11 AM

are you agreeing that in the movie the ship was a dreadnought class, or that the model in the admiral's office was of the ship that was unknown?

5/19/2013 2:28:49 AM

the unknown black ship at the end of the line of models in the admirals office resembled the dreadnaught class starship from the movie.


being as it was supposed to be "secret," that seems a hair odd, but the "secret" could be that they acctually made the ship instead of it just being a model and an idea.

5/19/2013 2:31:06 AM

yes, that is what confused me as they were skimming through the ships and I saw it and immediately said "WTF is that one?" and then the movie revealed it later.

that is the only head-scratching moment I had during the movie

5/19/2013 2:34:02 AM

I cant get over this Khan thing. I'm glad I read that spoiler b/c seeing that fresh would have thrown me for loop.


the first JJ Abram Star Trek was revenge story. The wrath of khan is nothing but a revenge story . rehashed?

5/19/2013 8:49:11 AM

it's amazing that we had the technology to create augments like Khan back in the 1990's. it's even more amazing that Khan ruled ~1/3rd of the planet, and we had a worldwide eugenics war at the time without anyone knowing about it. (other than a few media links here and there... http://www.wral.com/news/political/story/9936518/)

and our space technology in the 1990's is much more advanced than it is today.

5/19/2013 10:16:30 AM

Quote :

"I may have been mistaken, but wasn't the last ship to the left the ship he ended up on? dreadnought class?"

Correct, but that isn't the one I was talking about. It's been a few days since I saw it so I don't quite remember all the vehicles that it showed but I think it started out with the Wright Brothers' flyer on the far right, went to a few other planes, German V-2 rocket from WW2, Saturn-V moon rocket, Skylab, Space Shuttle, SLS, then a few futuristic looking starships ending in the Dreadnought.

5/19/2013 1:35:23 PM

Quote :

""um... why not send a shuttle with an armed boarding party?"

Quote :

"That was addressed in the movie."

Really? Please elaborate?

5/19/2013 5:25:24 PM

The part where they are discussing how to get there.

The ship (dreadnought) is only temporarily disabled.

PLUS if you think about it, how are they going to get the shuttle bay doors open undetected?

The mini-air lock was the least detectable. /geek

5/19/2013 6:35:59 PM

not to mention they specifically say "we cannot take a shuttle with a boarding party because..."


you people need to learn to fucking pay attention

5/19/2013 6:38:05 PM

I thought i remembered hearing that, but didn't remember the reasoning.

5/19/2013 7:06:03 PM

spock handwaved the idea away while talking to kirk after they walked off the bridge to get khan. he said he thought they'd see it coming, but in the end they did see them coming cause the airlock opened and it didn't matter. in fact, if they had gone over with a large boarding party it would have made it easier to subdue khan (though I imagine anyone who can take out a load of Klingons wouldn't have any trouble with a few redshirts).

on the other hand they might have left some people in engineering to secure the ship from there rather than taking the bridge. in the end its not that critical because they could always write around it (like maybe khan vents everywhere but the bridge before they can take over the ship). its one of those things where there are 100 different ways to accomplish the goal (get kirk and khan on board the ship) and they chose the flashiest option. don't worry about it.

switching kirk and spock in the death scene was kind of cool and fit in w/ the growth of kirk's character, but you knew instantly they're just gonna revive him w/ khan's blood so it kind of guts the scene.

the movie was super predictable in general, but idk if that's cause we know hes khan going into it or what. the second khan asks about the torpedoes its instantly obvious they're shielded cause they're stuffed full of botany bay crewmembers. when they mention a bunch of times how the vengeance is built to be operated by one man, well then yes of course the plan is for khan to take control of it.

I think one thing that bothers me from both movies is just how new to everything all the characters are. in the TOS movies kirk prime has been an established officer for a long time. new kirk is just a kid so JJ trek has to devote a significant amount of time in the movies to the development of his character. while this may slightly bug me that this time takes away from development of characters like khan, it really is necessary because they cant just throw kirk prime's experiences in there. new kirk has to earn them and that's what these movies are about and where this movie in particular really excels. kirk is forced to grow up and finally rise to the level of maturity required to command a starship. he really doesn't belong there at the beginning of the movie, but by the end you think that maybe he'll start thinking about what he does. this is a great setup for future movies where they can now spend more time on plot development outside kirk.

now all that aside I really really enjoyed this movie. I thought the plot was very good overall, especially for an action movie. I saw it in 3d imax and it was just fantastic. some of the best use of 3d and sound I've seen in a while.

the introduction of the Klingons was good and the foreshadowing of future conflicts probably means that's where we're going for the next one which makes a lot of sense.

don't let your love of the original trek prevent you from enjoying this one. its good (and flawed) in its own right.

5/19/2013 7:18:11 PM

I enjoyed it, however so many nitpicks

1. Overpowered transporter (Kronos is 4 days at warp 4.5, but now you can travel to it in seconds? This basically makes space travel obsolete)

2. Why was Praxis destroyed? The Klingons were said to not be able to recover from it exploding in TUC unless they made peace with the Federation.

3. Why did Khan take Spock for face value 'I'm a vulcan, I cannot lie' okay and? Khan had long since been frozen before first contact.

4. Does the super secret ship yard in orbit around Jupiter not have scanners?

5. Was there a reason Spock's transmission to Spock Prime not done in private?

6. The entire Kirk dying thing and obviously being foreshadowed bringing bought back to life with Khan's blood.

7. The death scene was entirely fan service, but at least it was well done fan service.

8 There couldn't have been more than 12 people in that room, it was not shielded, why wouldn't Khan just beam in a torpedo?

5/19/2013 9:09:28 PM

Quote :

"1. Overpowered transporter (Kronos is 4 days at warp 4.5, but now you can travel to it in seconds? This basically makes space travel obsolete)"

Spock from future/alternate timeline gave them the equation to do that.

5/19/2013 9:24:12 PM

Important thing to remember, this is not a rehash of Wrath of Khan. Sure the death by radiation is there but Khan doesn't know Kirk and Spock and is not out to get them. He's pissed off at Marcus which makes it a vengeance story but this Khan is closer to the version from the 1960's episode than he is to the 1980's movie.

Also, in this version, Khan has time to get acquainted with vulcans, klingons, etc before meeting Kirk, so I'm sure he knows about vulcans and lying.

5/19/2013 10:50:50 PM

Quote :

"Spock from future/alternate timeline gave them the equation to do that. "

No he didn't, he gave them Scotty's formula for beaming to a ship in warp

5/19/2013 11:24:23 PM

^which future spock gave past scotty after future scotty developed it.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transwarp_beaming

Quote :

"In the alternate reality created by Nero's temporal incursion, Scott had a debate with an instructor of his, who maintained that transwarp beaming was impossible. In an attempt to prove his instructor wrong, Scott tested his theory on Admiral Archer's prized beagle, although the experiment was a failure and the dog was lost. Scott described the notion of transwarp beaming as being like "trying to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet, whilst wearing a blindfold, riding a horse." In 2258, in the same alternate reality, while stationed on Delta Vega, Scott encountered Spock (who had traveled back in time from the year 2387) and James T. Kirk. There, Spock provided Scott with the equation for successfully achieving transwarp beaming, which, by the time Spock had traveled back in time, Scott had already perfected. Upon viewing the equation, Scott noted that it had never occurred to him to think of "space as the thing that was moving." With this formula, Scott was able to beam himself and Kirk from Delta Vega to the Enterprise, which was traveling at high warp towards the Laurentian system. "

[Edited on May 19, 2013 at 11:59 PM. Reason : ]

5/19/2013 11:43:07 PM

No, This is how 2009 went

Scotty: You can't beam to a ship at warp
Spock: Bam Formula!
Scotty: Awesome thanks


Not, here's a formula for beaming across the galaxy. If that was the case, what was the need for the fastest ship to deliver the red matter to Romulus.

5/19/2013 11:50:49 PM

no, i just watched it (Star Trek 2009) twice tonight. Yes, scotty had the idea, but he didn't have a complete formula. Spock knew of the completed formula from the future, and provided the solution to scotty.

[Edited on May 20, 2013 at 12:01 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2013 11:56:56 PM

It was supposed to be that khan's superior intellect was able to take that formula and he made it into a transwarp transporter. That's not a technology that anybody else possessed, it was kind of a "look what khan could do of given the chance" thing. Khan had been unfrozen and working for section 31 for a year. As for praxis, this is an alternate universe, the empire might have been able to better handle it since they had several years to get advanced tech from nero's ship, memory alpha says it did explode in 2293, so the timing is right.

I thoroughly enjoyed it, lots of little thing for star trek fans while still appealing to the general audience

5/19/2013 11:58:33 PM

Saw it tonight. Loved it.

5/19/2013 11:59:41 PM

Idk, I enjoyed it like I said, but it's easier to consider it a complete hard reboot of the series, and not an alternate timeline.

If Abrams had balls, one of the scenes of San Fran. would have just pulled out to show a couple humpback whales in the bay.

5/20/2013 12:09:57 AM

Also no, Praxis didn't explode until Kirk was much older

5/20/2013 12:12:20 AM

Aw shit, youre right. I was thinking the stardates shown in the film said 2293 as well. Guess its just supposed to be everything was sped up because of the stuff from the first one.

5/20/2013 12:31:22 AM